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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi
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isnt Papa Palps just upscaling from a Vitiate who Revan at his peak would have beat to the point he hid specifically to keep away from him?
TBH just invite me at this point, I've already reworked Marr, it's not like I've been sitting here flapping my jaw the entire time
Lmfao
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I know he's in the game, it's a weird mix of Legends and Canon though.
And really he and the Sith Triumvirate are in primarily because they're popular and thus get a lot of money raked in whenever they're on rate up.
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Yeah the comic Dooku looked like Jeffrey Epstein with a beard!
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I got permission from Lephyr to rearrange the calculations portion of the verse page.
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I checked here and only 4 calculations (that don't involve technology) are from outside of VS Battle.
No one knows how to do the calculations to upload them all to a single blog (it would also be easier for evaluation)
Only two of these calculations are used in the profiles, Grievous's and Kanan and Erza's LS.
EDIT: Like, we can organize these things little by little. Since technology is less important, we can leave it for later.
No one knows how to do the calculations to upload them all to a single blog (it would also be easier for evaluation)
Only two of these calculations are used in the profiles, Grievous's and Kanan and Erza's LS.
EDIT: Like, we can organize these things little by little. Since technology is less important, we can leave it for later.
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To me the canonicity is like the force
anything that has canon and legends, is legends, much like if you try mixing the light side and the dark side, you'll get dark side
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Which also wank Grievous and Obi-Wan lolMe preparing a thousand scans for wank Anakin/Vader:
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Carvalho is available for pulling scans for me, we're so *****ng backMe preparing a thousand scans for wank Anakin/Vader:
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RoJ Luke = OWK Obi-Wan > Rebels Ahsoka = Post-Rebels Vader > Sidious = Yoda > Kit Fisto / Plo Koon / Windu = Dooku ≥ RotS Obi-Wan = RotS Anakin / Post-Mustafar Vader ≥ Grievous > Ben Kenobi ≥ Rebels Maul > CW Anakin ≥ CW Maul = CW Ahsoka ≥ CW Obi-Wan > End of Season 2+ Din Djarin > Qui-Gon Jinn > JS Cal / Cere Junda > Kanan > Ezra / JFO Cal / [prominent Jedi i forgor] > S1 Din Djarin > Ki Adi Mundi / [ur typical master] > Padawan Ahsoka > [ur typical Jedi knight] > Din Grogu > All "The Mandalorian" characters
1~6, Some 2007 Clone Wars, Rebels, OWK and The Mandalorian (I intend for this to be the official lol)
From watching fighting scenes, using Post-Rebels Vader as basically the anchor for this and praying for Carvalho to back me up in some places as The SW source person:
- Obi-Wan couldn't put himself to kill Vader, but he could easily after he got out of that rubble, and Carvalho brought, before, source saying that Luke surpassed Vader, hence why I put them together.
- Ahsoka is 100% matching Vader in Rebels and in her show. She, much like The Negotiator, won't kill him for how much she values him yadayadayada, but she could and this is displayed in multiple moments.
- Sidious was bested by Vader only in his last moments (i recall Carvalho sourcing this a while ago and also hearing it somewhere), as Anakin, and was stated to be able to contend with Rebels Ahsoka blow for blow.I put Ben with him because, contrary to what most say, he was not being overwhelmed by Vader, they were trading blows fairly, meaning it is possible that Ben could trade blows with Ahsoka with a very similar result. (that is still true but Ben is not winning against Grievous, so something has to change unfortunately) Despite
- Yoda lost against Sidious (only because of the fighting place, I WILL die on this hill), not for the widest margin, and there is a source that Yoda won an intense and serious training against Plo-Koon (I forgor who but there was someone else there. Hope i'm not mentioning Legends), and he also scales a little above other prominent masters (who Sidious killed with ease, too). RotS Anakin does not compare to Sidious, yet, and Rebels Maul has fought against Ben Kenobi, so I think it's quite the justified positions.
- Those masters scale to one another, and Grievous was 100% unable to kill one of them, Kit Fisto, justifying his position there. Dooku obviously scale to them, as he was there a few months before becoming a separatist, above Grievous, who he trained.
- CW Obi-Wan is still to become as powerful as he is in RotS, but he is still comparable to the other prominent masters and by this point has beaten Maul and became much stronger, like him, and he also beats Grievous, who could defeat masters and prominent Jedi, but not those prominent masters. CW Ani should be below The Negotiator but for sure he's not below Maul(/Knight Ahsoka), and I'm not so sure if he's losing to our friend Grievous or not... so I think he's where he should atm.
- Without Darksaber or Beskar Lance, he could put up somewhat of the start of a fight with the monster that is adult Ahsoka, on this key he either had the Beskar Lance that got him winning against Moff Gideon, who we can more or less compare with Qui-Gon in swordplay IMO, or he has the Darksaber, which he dominated before losing it, and is one of the many many weapons that he has at his disposal and dominate. Nobody who got mugged by Vader or Maul on the way they were can win against this Din Djarin key.
- JS Cal (who i know little about) scales above his master who could pull up a 5/10 fight against Vader before getting mugged. From From little I know about them, they are not winning against CW Maul and I dont think Qui-Gon, as much as he was not that good with saber fights, is losing against them too
- Anakin's ceremonious ass is what made Kanan and Ezra still be alive, he didn't use 95% of his kit and it needed combined effort to get him down for 3 seconds. They do NOT compare to him in Rebels. That poor performance is why I put an impressive (former) knight such as CW's Ahsoka above them, already. I know very little about Cal, so if you make quite a decent argument for him to be higher, i'll get him higher.
- Yes it would be pretty out of place to think that the situation he got against adult Ahsoka would result in him winning, but just from scaling like that without the Darksaber and without the Beskar Lance, that man is NOT losing to your "Attack on the wookies" bs of a jedi master, nor to anyone below them
- Saying an unnamed master > padawan Ahsoka is not controversial, despite how good she is, but yeah, there's no regular jedi knight that wins against her, not a chance.
- Best for last, Cara Dune is the one who put up the fight that depended the most on Din Djarin's skills (if he was OK at the 2nd encounter with Gideon, I'd say it's that, but moving on...), and Grogu would kill her with ease, prior to the training...yeah, he is ******** them.
1~6, Some 2007 Clone Wars, Rebels, OWK and The Mandalorian (I intend for this to be the official lol)
From watching fighting scenes, using Post-Rebels Vader as basically the anchor for this and praying for Carvalho to back me up in some places as The SW source person:
- Obi-Wan couldn't put himself to kill Vader, but he could easily after he got out of that rubble, and Carvalho brought, before, source saying that Luke surpassed Vader, hence why I put them together.
- Ahsoka is 100% matching Vader in Rebels and in her show. She, much like The Negotiator, won't kill him for how much she values him yadayadayada, but she could and this is displayed in multiple moments.
- Sidious was bested by Vader only in his last moments (i recall Carvalho sourcing this a while ago and also hearing it somewhere), as Anakin, and was stated to be able to contend with Rebels Ahsoka blow for blow.
- Yoda lost against Sidious (only because of the fighting place, I WILL die on this hill), not for the widest margin, and there is a source that Yoda won an intense and serious training against Plo-Koon (I forgor who but there was someone else there. Hope i'm not mentioning Legends), and he also scales a little above other prominent masters (who Sidious killed with ease, too). RotS Anakin does not compare to Sidious, yet, and Rebels Maul has fought against Ben Kenobi, so I think it's quite the justified positions.
- Those masters scale to one another, and Grievous was 100% unable to kill one of them, Kit Fisto, justifying his position there. Dooku obviously scale to them, as he was there a few months before becoming a separatist, above Grievous, who he trained.
- CW Obi-Wan is still to become as powerful as he is in RotS, but he is still comparable to the other prominent masters and by this point has beaten Maul and became much stronger, like him, and he also beats Grievous, who could defeat masters and prominent Jedi, but not those prominent masters. CW Ani should be below The Negotiator but for sure he's not below Maul(/Knight Ahsoka), and I'm not so sure if he's losing to our friend Grievous or not... so I think he's where he should atm.
- Without Darksaber or Beskar Lance, he could put up somewhat of the start of a fight with the monster that is adult Ahsoka, on this key he either had the Beskar Lance that got him winning against Moff Gideon, who we can more or less compare with Qui-Gon in swordplay IMO, or he has the Darksaber, which he dominated before losing it, and is one of the many many weapons that he has at his disposal and dominate. Nobody who got mugged by Vader or Maul on the way they were can win against this Din Djarin key.
- JS Cal (who i know little about) scales above his master who could pull up a 5/10 fight against Vader before getting mugged. From From little I know about them, they are not winning against CW Maul and I dont think Qui-Gon, as much as he was not that good with saber fights, is losing against them too
- Anakin's ceremonious ass is what made Kanan and Ezra still be alive, he didn't use 95% of his kit and it needed combined effort to get him down for 3 seconds. They do NOT compare to him in Rebels. That poor performance is why I put an impressive (former) knight such as CW's Ahsoka above them, already. I know very little about Cal, so if you make quite a decent argument for him to be higher, i'll get him higher.
- Yes it would be pretty out of place to think that the situation he got against adult Ahsoka would result in him winning, but just from scaling like that without the Darksaber and without the Beskar Lance, that man is NOT losing to your "Attack on the wookies" bs of a jedi master, nor to anyone below them
- Saying an unnamed master > padawan Ahsoka is not controversial, despite how good she is, but yeah, there's no regular jedi knight that wins against her, not a chance.
- Best for last, Cara Dune is the one who put up the fight that depended the most on Din Djarin's skills (if he was OK at the 2nd encounter with Gideon, I'd say it's that, but moving on...), and Grogu would kill her with ease, prior to the training...yeah, he is ******** them.
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Grievous overpowered ROTS Obi-Wan and no-sold a kick from him lol
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A New Hope Luke?
I'll talk about the rest of Vader later. I have to find some references for some scans.
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Didn't Grievous get killed in CW?
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Yeah, remember you pulling a scan saying that he's surpassed Vader
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What? No. How the hell did you think that?
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Cuz from memory, Obi-Wan vs. Grievous happens in the second movie..?
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Nonynho
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Just noticed I ****** up here too, it's RoJ**
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Uhuh.
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Nonynho
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Dunno what SoC meaned by that and can't quote their post
And i can't see Grievous > Ani
More or less so, cuz in RotS Obi-Wan > Ani
And i can't see Grievous > Ani
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No the **** he ain't? They're equal! I got a force push clash proving it!
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I don’t scale the verse at all, but I think even the most casual viewer of the movies can tell you from the opening of RotS Anakin is far superior to Obi Wan.
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Yes.
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OWK Obi-Wan in his normal state is = OWK Vader. He won on a whim thinking about Luke and Leia. They would basically be >~.
RotS Obi-Wan and RotS Anakin are equal.
Post-Mustafar Vader includes a lot of things, in this case the things below. Even an early Vader surpassed Anakin.
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Not at all
Ani lost, for starters, because he was outskilled in a basic thing that Obi-Wan even tried to tell him.
I understand and agree that they're similar, but none of them is "far" from each other in any capacity.
It's not to doubt you, but It just doesn't work to me that "Ani = Grievous"
May I ask you to elaborate on it, please?
Not at all, because he wasn't just matching Vader when he got out of that rubble. They traded blows and then Obi-Wan left him there after they talked because he couldn't bear the weight of ending "his friend". He could have killed him (and should lol) and didn't.
Also, he was not 100% when he started the fight because the sadness of seeing "Ani", which he thinks it's his failure, on that state left him uneasy and even then he was equal blow for blow and lost when Force became a factor there, but when he got himself back to his center, he jumped Vader.
≥ at max.
That is right and that is how things look rn
That was also the Vader who didn't surpass Sidious, so would this be your line?
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Anakin is normally more skilled than Obi-Wan overall as shown by him kicking Dooku's teeth in at the start of the movie, but he's stated in the novel to be way off of his game despite technically having an amp in other sources since he's stated to be fighting with none of his usual skill, even being called ape-ish and he hasn't slept or ate in days. Despite all of that he almost kills Obi-Wan several times in their fight.
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Who was also not at all fine with all that was going on.
Yall keep saying like the differences between them are huge when they are not.
Fighting conditions, skill, etc, are not that different between them and the result is that they both almost killed each other more than once
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Vader surpass Sidious?
I mean, only if you're talking about RotS Sidious, if you consider that RotS Anakin is close in power before he turned to the dark side (a statement from Sidious himself), and then the guy becomes stronger with the dark side and over time like Darth Vader, and at some point along the continuum, he must have surpassed this RotS version of Sidious.
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Non-canonical novel.
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@noninho I don’t about the infinite expanded media books and resources, but the movie shows is Anakin >> Obi less than 5 minutes into RotS and shows us Sith Anakin lost his Sith eyes when Padme showed up showing us he was conflicted on Mustafar against Obi.
It’s very clear what the movies intent was. Obi is not a match for Anakin.
There’s also the fact Obi is clearly the rock to Anakins scissors match up wise. Under normal circumstances they’re not close.
It’s very clear what the movies intent was. Obi is not a match for Anakin.
There’s also the fact Obi is clearly the rock to Anakins scissors match up wise. Under normal circumstances they’re not close.
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