Where will the Nested Universe Theory scale if a cosmology uses it?

[Alexander]

Is there any verse that has this type of cosmological structure (either stated or implied)and if they do exists, where will they scale?
thank you

 

[Zeldris98764]

"Nested Universe Theory" isn't a standardized term, because on its own, it could mean a half-dozen different things with completely different implications. It all depends on the nature of the nesting.

You need to be more specific. Here are the common ways this is portrayed:
1. Physical Containment (Russian Doll Universes): One 3-D universe is simply physically located inside another, much larger 3-D universe. This doesn't grant a higher tier. Destroying the "outer" universe would just be a High 3-A feat, as you're just destroying a larger infinite 3-D space. Being bigger in size doesn't mean you're higher-dimensional. An example of this is the end of Men in Black
2. Higher-Dimensional Embedding: The "inner" universe is a lower-dimensional slice or membrane of a "higher" universe. For example, a 3-D universe existing as a part of a larger 4-D reality. This is genuine Higher-Dimensional Existence. Destroying the 4-D structure would be a Low 2-C feat
3. Reality > Fiction Transcendence: The "outer" universe views the "inner" universe as fiction, like a book, a dream, or a video game. This is a qualitative superiority, not a dimensional one. A character in the "real" world would be 1-A in relation to the fictional one
4. Conceptual/Ontological Nesting: The "outer" realm is a more fundamental, abstract, or conceptual plane of existence that governs the "inner" physical universe. For example, a realm of platonic forms from which the physical world is just a shadow. This is also a qualitative superiority and would be tiered at 1-A

 

[Alexander]

"Nested Universe Theory" isn't a standardized term, because on its own, it could mean a half-dozen different things with completely different implications. It all depends on the nature of the nesting.

You need to be more specific. Here are the common ways this is portrayed:
1. Physical Containment (Russian Doll Universes): One 3-D universe is simply physically located inside another, much larger 3-D universe. This doesn't grant a higher tier. Destroying the "outer" universe would just be a High 3-A feat, as you're just destroying a larger infinite 3-D space. Being bigger in size doesn't mean you're higher-dimensional. An example of this is the end of Men in Black
2. Higher-Dimensional Embedding: The "inner" universe is a lower-dimensional slice or membrane of a "higher" universe. For example, a 3-D universe existing as a part of a larger 4-D reality. This is genuine Higher-Dimensional Existence. Destroying the 4-D structure would be a Low 2-C feat
3. Reality > Fiction Transcendence: The "outer" universe views the "inner" universe as fiction, like a book, a dream, or a video game. This is a qualitative superiority, not a dimensional one. A character in the "real" world would be 1-A in relation to the fictional one
4. Conceptual/Ontological Nesting: The "outer" realm is a more fundamental, abstract, or conceptual plane of existence that governs the "inner" physical universe. For example, a realm of platonic forms from which the physical world is just a shadow. This is also a qualitative superiority and would be tiered at 1-A

it is mostly a combination of all this it seems?

 

[Zeldris98764]

it is mostly a combination of all this it seems?

Well, you can't really just mash them all together and get a single tier(If that's what you mean?)
Physical containment (High 3-A), higher dimensions (Low 2-C+), and qualitative transcendence (1-A) are three completely different ways a cosmology can be structured. They don't "combine" by default. A verse would need to explicitly define the relationship between these different types of nested structures.

For example:

• Is the higher-dimensional space also viewed as "fiction" by an even higher reality?
• Is the 1-A conceptual realm somehow physically contained within a larger, simple 3-D universe? (This would likely be an anti-feat for the 1-A claim).
• Does the verse establish a clear hierarchy where, say, a 4-D spacetime is considered a "lower" conceptual layer to a 1-A realm?

The relationship between these layers is what determines the final tiering, not just their existence.

 

[Alexander]

Okay imagine has if the universe exists in a sub-atomic particle, and it holds infinite amount of energy, and that universe also follows the same logic, actually, all the particles contain universes inside of themselves, and this continues to a infinite amount of times since the universe is infinite spatially.
So there is a universe inside of a sub-atomic particle, that also has a universe inside of a sub-atomic particle, and this goes on for infinity.
but that is just one way to look at it, you could also look at the universe has if it was just "layers"of universes on it.
and this "layers" work like higher dimensions, that can only be acceded through singularities (black holes)after crossing it, you will reach that higher dimension, since the universe is filled with holes (aka black holes)that allow the travel to the other dimensions.
but then there is also another way to look at it, where the universe is a simulation, with the universe being just a endless stream of code that was created by a higher plane of existence that views it has a video game.
at least, this is the way it was portrayed in the work where the Theory exists, all of this are combined and coexists in some way.

 

[Zeldris98764]

Okay imagine has if the universe exists in a sub-atomic particle, and it holds infinite amount of energy, and that universe also follows the same logic, actually, all the particles contain universes inside of themselves, and this continues to a infinite amount of times since the universe is infinite spatially.

This is just physical containment. A universe inside a particle is still just a 3-D space. An infinite chain of them doesn't change the dimensionality. It's a "Russian Doll" structure. The outermost universe and anything affecting the whole structure would be High 3-A.

but that is just one way to look at it, you could also look at the universe has if it was just "layers"of universes on it.
and this "layers" work like higher dimensions, that can only be acceded through singularities (black holes)after crossing it, you will reach that higher dimension, since the universe is filled with holes (aka black holes)that allow the travel to the other dimensions.

This describes Higher-Dimensional Existence. If the "layers" are explicitly stated to be higher dimensions, then the tier depends on how many there are.

• A single 4-D space-time continuum is Low 2-C.
• A finite number of them would be 2-C to 2-B.
• An infinite number of dimensional layers would be High 1-B.

but then there is also another way to look at it, where the universe is a simulation, with the universe being just a endless stream of code that was created by a higher plane of existence that views it has a video game.

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The "higher plane of existence" that views the entire universe (including all of its nested particles and higher dimensions) as a video game would be qualitatively superior to it, which means 1-A.

at least, this is the way it was portrayed in the work where the Theory exists, all of this are combined and coexists in some way.

If they all coexist, then there's a clear hierarchy. The first two descriptions (the sub-atomic universes and the dimensional layers) are features of the simulation. The simulation itself contains structures up to High 1-B.

The beings on the "higher plane" who created this simulation are qualitatively superior to it.

So, the final scaling would be:

• The simulated cosmology itself contains structures up to High 1-B.
• The beings on the higher plane who view it as a game are 1-A.

 

[Alexander]

Got it, thanks a lot weird Gorilla.