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(1v2) Mori Jin VS Ruby Rose & Weiss Schnee (9-0-0) FINISHED

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Yes because the certain threshold represents how much force you can take. A 40 ton character can generally be hurt with 2 back to back 20 ton attacks.
Yes, and Damage Absorption takes it a step further in both directions, they can take dozens to hundreds of hits from people comparable to them, a few hits from people exponentially stronger, and their defenses can eventually be breached by fodder.
Doesn't she need to actually interact with them for that? My argument was that Mori just won't let Ruby get near them.
She does yes. The conflicting arguments here are very confusing, some people arguing that Mori would immediately try to go for CQC, some saying he would stay away, some saying he would go for CQC if she tried that. How does he actually fight?
Yeah but by the time she does that Weiss would be dead afh
No? Weiss can take tons of damage before her Aura goes down, and ruby would be protecting her by breaking her down and moving her around.
Yeah what I'm saying would happen is it would stop Ruby from saving Weiss while Mori beats her face in and paralyzes her with acupuncture.
She can do that technique while having Weiss broken down. And he'd have to get through her aura to use acupuncture. Unless it bypasses forcefields.
I meant surrounding the opponent with them to freeze them.
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Do we have anything that's a cutscene rather than gameplay?
No, it comes from this game.
Yeah so there's a pretty limited stamina here, especially if she were to carry others or have to overpower a vortex 2+ times stronger than herself.
Its only a stamina issue when she's carrying 5+ people. She regularly carries another person with her semblance with zero stamina issues.
 
I need to see feats of Ruby turning someone intangible against their will, especially since Mori can hit souls.

Also, while Ruby having the ability to Petal Burst is good and all, if Mori tunnel visions Weiss, he's gonna give her the Gojo special.
Not through her Aura barrier he isnt, and if he tunnel visions Weiss she just freezes him solid with Nova or Frostbite
 
It's not a 3x amp but effectively works as one since it makes you take 3x the damage of a normal attack.
(also should be a statue blitz amp considering he lands 3 hits on normally comparable opponents practically instantly and i think sujin is the only person to ever counter it, with a triple kick of her own tbdesu)
 
Can you show me how it works in practice? Because like I said the videos you've sent so far seem vastly inferior to what Mori can do
The best uses of it, at least for this key, come from the Volume 4 trailer



Theres also this from before she had even mastered her semblance or evolved it



For reference the girl with the red hair in this clip has arguable relativistic reactions
 


Acupuncture should bypass Aura as it was able to affect Okhwang, who was wearing the Robe of the Sage, an armor that is far superior to the user's durability and should be comparable to the Armorsuits, which completely negates physical damage from someone of the same tier as the wearer.
 
Yes, and Damage Absorption takes it a step further in both directions, they can take dozens to hundreds of hits from people comparable to them, a few hits from people exponentially stronger, and their defenses can eventually be breached by fodder.
Yeah that's what I'm saying that's how durability works.
So the aura is basically just additional durability meaning Mori will have to hit them a few extra times like I said before.
She does yes. The conflicting arguments here are very confusing, some people arguing that Mori would immediately try to go for CQC, some saying he would stay away, some saying he would go for CQC if she tried that. How does he actually fight?
Mori is a cqc combatant but what they're saying is cqc as in kicking someone in the face distance vs cqc as in grappling someone.

Renewal Taekwondo just like regular Taekwondo needs some space between you and the opponent so you can wind up for roundhouse kicks and whatnot. Getting extremely close or grappling the opponent is not going to leave them that space.

But that's irrelevant in this key. This key specifically fixed those weaknesses by copying and implementing other martial arts into renewal meaning it no longer struggles with cqc combat. That's what Ovens meant when he said Mori will "switch fighting styles".
No? Weiss can take tons of damage before her Aura goes down, and ruby would be protecting her by breaking her down and moving her around.
All Mori needs to do is break through in a single spot and hit acupuncture on her or a single triple kick. He wouldn't be pummeling her entire body to destroy her entire aura, just the spot he needs to uncover for acupuncture/renewal
She can do that technique while having Weiss broken down.
Yeah but she can't do that if she can't get to Weiss. What I'm saying is Mori hits Weiss, creates a giant vortex around them, and beats the breaks off her inside that vortex while Ruby can't get in.

That seems to be the mobility thingy so like, a standard speed amp. Btw can these things be broken? Because if Mori gets surrounded he'd probably just break the circles.
No, it comes from this game.
That's a bit iffy ngl. It's impossible to say how, when, and if, she'd even use it in a cutscene
Its only a stamina issue when she's carrying 5+ people.
Or 2 people 3 individual times. Or 1 person 5+ times.
Or 1 person once 5x the distance.

What I'm getting at is that it has a significant enough stamina drain to not be something she can constantly spam, especially not if she has to overcome a giant air vortex.
The best uses of it, at least for this key, come from the Volume 4 trailer


Uhhm okay. 2 things about this.
1. She was very much relative if not straight up superior to the creatures in terms of speed even without her semblance. And she never used her semblance to perform any crazy teleport-like blitz.
2. She kidna lifts the gorilla into the air in her semblance form which kinda tells us she IS tangible and doesn't just go through stuff.
Theres also this from before she had even mastered her semblance or evolved it



For reference the girl with the red hair in this clip has arguable relativistic reactions

They clearly saw her coming and some even had the chance to stand up before she got near them. Ntm it wasn't a combat situation so it's not like they had a reason to counter or anything.

Really not even close to as impressive as bobup essentially perception blitzing people on par with her ngl.


Acupuncture should bypass Aura as it was able to affect Okhwang, who was wearing the Robe of the Sage, an armor that is far superior to the user's durability and should be comparable to the Armorsuits, which completely negates physical damage from someone of the same tier as the wearer.

Interesting point ngl. I never thought of that. Mori did also paralyze Satan who previously put on the el Diablo armor
 
has ruby literally ever used her semblance offensively to force someone into molecules against their will (please provide scans if so)
because from what i am hearing she mainly uses it on allies to get them out of the way of attacks or whatnot, if i'm wrong please feel free to correct me
if she DOESN'T use it offensively then it's of zero concern to mori who will simply Kick Her

i have yet to see an argument that counters "mori looks, surmises their fighting style, and keeps kicking them until they go down"
 


Also as you can see here, Aura doesn’t stop you from being ragdolled, which is what Weiss is going to be when Mori gets his hands on her. Like there is a move in Re-Taekwondo made specifically to disarm people who use weapons. Mori is just way more versatile in terms of combat ability than either Weiss or Ruby. What combat feats do they have without their weapons or holding a weapon in their hands? You'd genuinely have an easier time arguing that Ren would fight better unarmed cause he has actual feats of such.
 
has ruby literally ever used her semblance offensively to force someone into molecules against their will (please provide scans if so)
because from what i am hearing she mainly uses it on allies to get them out of the way of attacks or whatnot, if i'm wrong please feel free to correct me
if she DOESN'T use it offensively then it's of zero concern to mori who will simply Kick Her
She has yes, constantly.
i have yet to see an argument that counters "mori looks, surmises their fighting style, and keeps kicking them until they go down"
Easy, the second Mori gets within melee range Weiss flash freezes him. Or freezes him the instant he touches her. Or locks him in a gravity field. Or locks him in a Glyph cage.
 


Also as you can see here, Aura doesn’t stop you from being ragdolled, which is what Weiss is going to be when Mori gets his hands on her. Like there is a move in Re-Taekwondo made specifically to disarm people who use weapons. Mori is just way more versatile in terms of combat ability than either Weiss or Ruby. What combat feats do they have without their weapons or holding a weapon in their hands? You'd genuinely have an easier time arguing that Ren would fight better unarmed cause he has actual feats of such.

Neither one of them need their weapons to use their semblances.

The argument that RWBY characters are helpless without weapons is genuinely one of the stupidest things to come out of the VS community.
 
Easy, the second Mori gets within melee range Weiss flash freezes him. Or freezes him the instant he touches her. Or locks him in a gravity field. Or locks him in a Glyph cage.
What exactly stops Mori from just predicting and dodging or predicting and destroying the circles that do the stuff
 
Neither one of them need their weapons to use their semblances.

The argument that RWBY characters are helpless without weapons is genuinely one of the stupidest things to come out of the VS community.
That was not my argument with that post. It was that Ruby and Weiss would literally be ragdolled if Mori were to get in close and disarm them. We see this canonically happen as I've posted. Aura doesn't magically stop you from getting hit by the worst 30 hit combo in your life. And Mori has the feats to pull that off.
 
What exactly stops Mori from just predicting and dodging or predicting and destroying the circles that do the stuff
Theres nothing to dodge, theyre not projectiles, they just appear where Weiss wants them to appear. She can quite literally just think and gesture in Mori's general direction and he would be immobilized by the cage of attraction glyph appearing around him
 
That was not my argument with that post. It was that Ruby and Weiss would literally be ragdolled if Mori were to get in close and disarm them. We see this canonically happen as I've posted. Aura doesn't magically stop you from getting hit by the worst 30 hit combo in your life. And Mori has the feats to pull that off.
And them being disarmed doesnt prevent them from using their abilities.
 
And them being disarmed doesnt prevent them from using their abilities.
We showed you scans earlier that shows that being able to use your abilities doesn't stop Mori from giving you the 9 piece mcnugget combo.
 
Mori can get impaled, burned, have his balance disrupted with vertigo, and still keep fighting. His clone in a future arc can have all 4 limbs missing and still continue fighting.

Ruby and Weiss will literally tire themselves out before Mori stops pummeling them.
 
Theres nothing to dodge, theyre not projectiles, they just appear where Weiss wants them to appear. She can quite literally just think and gesture in Mori's general direction
That's dodgeable tho. All he has to do is aimdodge
and he would be immobilized by the cage of attraction glyph appearing around him
Also the glyphs don't work instantly from what I've seen in the videos you've sent. So there's a small window for him to move away.

Tho it's not like it matters when his LS is 230x higher, she's not restraining him regardless. He'll just run through the restrains like it's nothing
 
She has yes, constantly.
has ruby literally ever used her semblance offensively to force someone into molecules against their will (please provide scans if so)
sorry but i do not particularly feel inclined to take you at your word. please show me or point me to scans that have been already posted where she forcefully turns enemies into petals against their will.
on top of whether she can or not, whether she even WILL is another question, i.e is it at all in-character?
 
So right now the arguments in favour of Mori are:

He's has a canonical feat of fighting someone with a full body shield not dissimilar to Aura. He won that fight btw.

He is way more versatile in terms of combat ability and has techniques that disarm people, on top of just having more experience in weaponless combat.

He has answers for both Semblances in the form of fluid redirection to stop Petal Burst, and having a massively greater LS to stop gravity glyphs. Everything else can be aimdodged.

Mori is also a beast in terms of what he can tank. He will shrug off being impaled through the chest while someone like Yang passed out from having a single arm chopped off.

All this is before we consider that Acupuncture can go through barriers with massively greater durability than their users, which would add paralysis, pain manipulation, power reduction, or if Mori is feeling particularly morbid, blowing them up from the inside.
 
sorry but i do not particularly feel inclined to take you at your word. please show me or point me to scans that have been already posted where she forcefully turns enemies into petals against their will.
I already have, please go back through the thread's arguments
on top of whether she can or not, whether she even WILL is another question, i.e is it at all in-character?
Yes, spamming her semblance is 100% in charatcer
 
That's dodgeable tho. All he has to do is aimdodge
There is nothing to aimdodge when there is no projectile and no tell that the attack is coming.
Also the glyphs don't work instantly from what I've seen in the videos you've sent. So there's a small window for him to move away.
They do work instantly yes, look at any of the clips ive posted.
Tho it's not like it matters when his LS is 230x higher, she's not restraining him regardless. He'll just run through the restrains like it's nothing
Her glyphs can restrain people with Class G lifting Strength
 
So right now the arguments in Ruby and Weiss are:

Able to consistently blitz Mori and stay out of his range if need be via various speed amps

Being disarmed dows not prevent them from using their abilities

Fluid Redirection will not stop Ruby from using her semblance on Weiss, and Weiss' gravity glyphs can restrain people with lifting strength thousands of times higher than Mori's

Weiss' Glyphs cannot be dodged as there is nothing to dodge or aimdodge, not projectile nor tell that they are coming, they simply spawn instantaneously where Weiss wants them too

Mori has no answer for Weiss flash freezing him the second he gets within melee range
 
There is nothing to aimdodge when there is no projectile
There is. Same way you aim dodge a bullet by moving before it's fired out of the way where the person wants to shoot, Mori just dodges out of the way where she wants to spawn them before she does so.

This is effectively almost the same as aim dodging a regular gun attack.
and no tell that the attack is coming.
So? He can predict her intentions, he doesn't need visual queues to do so.
They do work instantly yes, look at any of the clips ive posted.
In almost that I can find the person notices the circles a moment before they actually get affected by them
Her glyphs can restrain people with Class G lifting Strength
Yes - in her later keys. In this keys she's over 200x below Mori so he just walks through the restraints as if it was a light summer breeze trying to stop a truck.
How does this prevent Weiss from flash freezing him by existing?
Flash freezing is that ability that she uses so little it literally doesn't have a cutscene showing?

Because if so even under the absolutely miniscule chance that she might think of using it, Mori just walks through it. Again it's over 200x weaker than his LS, it's barely a minor inconvenience.
So right now the arguments in Ruby and Weiss are:

Able to consistently blitz Mori and stay out of his range if need be via various speed amps
I am yet to see a single actual blitz amp. I've shown 2 different feats of Mori's basic bo bup being so fast it perception blitzes people relative to him while all I've seen from Ruby and Weiss is getting slightly more agile by turning into molecules.
Fluid Redirection will not stop Ruby from using her semblance on Weiss,
Fire and air aren't fluid. Fire is an element with similar type of intangibility to Ruby and air is LITERALLY molecules just like Rubys semblance and on top of that is something that can itself affect other molecules. So 100% absolutely undeniably is stopping her from using semblance on Weiss.

She'll be lucky if she can put herself back together after Mori blows her molecules into different directions with his omnidirectional vortex.
and Weiss' gravity glyphs can restrain people with lifting strength thousands of times higher than Mori's
In a different key sure but in this all she has is 200+ times inferior restriction power.

I feel like most if not all of these points were discussed and addressed in the thread already.
 
There is. Same way you aim dodge a bullet by moving before it's fired out of the way where the person wants to shoot, Mori just dodges out of the way where she wants to spawn them before she does so.
There isnt. There is no projectile and no tell that its coming, Weiss doesnt even need to look in the direction she wants the to appear in. Unless he can dodge the entire battlefield, he isnt dodging Weiss' glyphs.
So? He can predict her intentions, he doesn't need visual queues to do so.
Does he have some form of telepathy thats not listed in this key? Otherwise no, he cannot.
In almost that I can find the person notices the circles a moment before they actually get affected by them
You may want to rewatch them again, they take effect instantly.
Yes - in her later keys. In this keys she's over 200x below Mori so he just walks through the restraints as if it was a light summer breeze trying to stop a truck.
No, in this key she has that level of gravity.
Flash freezing is that ability that she uses so little it literally doesn't have a cutscene showing?
No, flash freezing she can, has, and does use frequently. Ice is 90% of her kit.
Because if so even under the absolutely miniscule chance that she might think of using it, Mori just walks through it. Again it's over 200x weaker than his LS, it's barely a minor inconvenience.
As above, he is not strong enough to overpower her gravity.
I am yet to see a single actual blitz amp. I've shown 2 different feats of Mori's basic bo bup being so fast it perception blitzes people relative to him while all I've seen from Ruby and Weiss is getting slightly more agile by turning into molecules.
...Have you just not been watching any of the clips ive posted then? Because Ruby's semblance in this key blitzed a person with relativistic speed and in another clip kept up with a person fast enough to slow everyone to a crawl.
Fire and air aren't fluid. Fire is an element with similar type of intangibility to Ruby and air is LITERALLY molecules just like Rubys semblance and on top of that is something that can itself affect other molecules. So 100% absolutely undeniably is stopping her from using semblance on Weiss.
Ruby in her semblance state has no mass, why would it be affected by air?
She'll be lucky if she can put herself back together after Mori blows her molecules into different directions with his omnidirectional vortex.
She has done so before in-canon, she would have no difficulty doing so here.
In a different key sure but in this all she has is 200+ times inferior restriction power.
No, in this key.
I feel like most if not all of these points were discussed and addressed in the thread already.
Not properly, or at all in most cases.
 
Hilariously enough, that makes your argument even worse cause that means she's even slower in this key.
 
Hilariously enough, that makes your argument even worse cause that means she's even slower in this key.
Not at all, ive already posted multiple clips showing her glyph appearing instantaneously

And i'd still like to know how Mori gets around Nova
 


Surrounding someone with glyphs is clearly very telegraphed and the best part is that it doesn't even matter cause she LOST this fight.
 
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