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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Phsccarvalho said:
I also have a few things to improve Anakin and Vader's AP justification.

Anakin makes some statements, such as having a power that rivaled Sidious' (Sidious himself made this statement), and another statement that Sidious helped Anakin become stronger than the Jedi who restrained him.

Furthermore, Vader's post-Mustafar key implies that he is weaker than Anakin throughout the entire key, even though in the Lords of the Sith novel (5 years after Mustafar), hasn't he already surpassed his peak like Anakin?
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I don't remember if it was Canon or Legends but one version of him outright surpasses Windu like a year after getting his suit since he's stated superior to a dude who's stronger and faster than Windu on his best day.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Legends Vader also has sick dance moves, so there's that.
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After time we can finally say for canon Vader: "Vader thinks and crushes your brain and heart and thousands of kilometers away gg"

Do you know if these body parts are greatly affected by LS? Like, a guy with a Class G, would his brain/heart withstand it?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
After time we can finally say for canon Vader: "Vader thinks and crushes your brain and heart and thousands of kilometers away gg"

Do you know if these body parts are greatly affected by LS? Like, a guy with a Class G, would his brain/heart withstand it?
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Thing is Vader doesn't really do that lol, he runs for melee and does that later. Not sure about the LS part tho
 
DaReaperMan said:
Thing is Vader doesn't really do that lol, he runs for melee and does that later. Not sure about the LS part tho
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I mean, the first thing he did against Cal was use Force Choke. And against Kirak too (even though he didn't have his lightsaber at the time)
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I mean, the first thing he did against Cal was use Force Choke. And against Kirak too (even though he didn't have his lightsaber at the time)
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Yeah, force CHOKE, his second resort is choking people by the neck, not the testicles
 
Holy mother of ****, the Rancors' profile is dog shit.
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Rancors

Tier: At least 8-C Name: Rancor Origin: Star Wars Gender: Can be male or female Age: Varies Classification: Reptomammals Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, night vision, Large Size (Types 0-1) Attack Potency: At least Building level+ (A rancor destroyed several AT-STs in...
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XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Holy mother of ****, the Rancors' profile is dog shit.
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Rancors

Tier: At least 8-C Name: Rancor Origin: Star Wars Gender: Can be male or female Age: Varies Classification: Reptomammals Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, night vision, Large Size (Types 0-1) Attack Potency: At least Building level+ (A rancor destroyed several AT-STs in...
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Creatures are likely the most neglected SW profiles
 
It seems we forgot to put this creature on legends page
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Leviathan (Star Wars)

The Leviathans are an ancient species of bioengineered serpentine creatures created by fallen Dark Jedi during the Hundred-Year Darkness. Some sources speculated that they may have been created by Karness Muur; however, Sorzus Syn took credit for their creation in her chronicle. Tier: 5-B Name...
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Most of these creature pages should be deleted, except for the good ones for scale, like the droids.

Kenny Mccormick 0v0 said:
It seems we forgot to put this creature on legends page
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Leviathan (Star Wars)

The Leviathans are an ancient species of bioengineered serpentine creatures created by fallen Dark Jedi during the Hundred-Year Darkness. Some sources speculated that they may have been created by Karness Muur; however, Sorzus Syn took credit for their creation in her chronicle. Tier: 5-B Name...
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Oh....
 
Is this good enough, or does anyone have any other interesting Vader feats? I'll add the lightsaber's possible heat resistance later.

I'm a little lazy to add more things to Anakin/Vader's justification in AP. I don't know, it's not even much (4 scans), I'm just lazy.

EDIT: I've included the scans I wanted for Anakin's justification in ROTS. What do you think?
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Is this good enough, or does anyone have any other interesting Vader feats? I'll add the lightsaber's possible heat resistance later.

I'm a little lazy to add more things to Anakin/Vader's justification in AP. I don't know, it's not even much (4 scans), I'm just lazy.

EDIT: I've included the scans I wanted for Anakin's justification in ROTS. What do you think?
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Recommendation

You can read this book for free on the Internet Archive.
Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Is this good enough, or does anyone have any other interesting Vader feats? I'll add the lightsaber's possible heat resistance later.

I'm a little lazy to add more things to Anakin/Vader's justification in AP. I don't know, it's not even much (4 scans), I'm just lazy.

EDIT: I've included the scans I wanted for Anakin's justification in ROTS. What do you think?
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I've finished what I wanted, now I'm going to sleep.

I'd like to hear your opinions and suggestions.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I'd like to hear your opinions and suggestions.
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it's a very good work, you just:
gotta take those warnings that those are aditional justifications...when they're already under the "aditional justifications" category lol;
put those feats in a way on the Vader profile. Would it be on the "Feats" part that the standard format present or would you put it in some other way?

Also please call people to my CRT when you're awake, if that's not too much work
 
WAIT HOLD UP

What do y'all mean by "Overwhelmed Obi-Wan Kenobi during A New Hope"?????
that is NOT AT ALL what happened???


whoever put this on Vader's profile must give some explanation to me rn
 
Phsccarvalho said:
He added it, talk to him.
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Ah, i see now, ty

Sir_Marvulous said:
lol
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Ayo i heard you're the guy who put in Vader's profile that he "Overwhelmed" Obi-Wan
Where did you take that from? That is not at all what happened
How tf are you overwhelming someone who outta nowhere says "ayo, strike me and i'll become a way more powerful mf", you try to and the mf disappears in thin air???
 
noninho said:
Ayo i heard you're the guy who put in Vader's profile that he "Overwhelmed" Obi-Wan
Where did you take that from? That is not at all what happened
How tf are you overwhelming someone who outta nowhere says "ayo, strike me and i'll become a way more powerful mf", you try to and the mf disappears in thin air???
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Anyway, I recommend this reading.
 
Watching Vader vs. Ender beast fight made me want to pit him against a kaiju. Could a match between him and Godzilla Minus One work?
 
Ms.Luzifer said:
quick question, how does equalizing the speed in a matchup work if someone has a higher reaction speed.
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Combat speed is equalized.

So if you have a guy with subsonic travel speed and MHS+ in combat. And a guy with MHS+ in travel and FTL in combat, in the equalization, they will both continue with the same travel speed, but with MHS+ in combat.

EDIT: From what I remember, reaction speed is decreased by the amount that combat speed is decreased. So sometimes it can be an advantage or not.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
EDIT: From what I remember, reaction speed is decreased by the amount that combat speed is decreased. So sometimes it can be an advantage or not.
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ic... welp imma go add that advantage to GG vs The Batter

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Grievous vs The Batter (Star Wars EU vs OFF)

General Grievous vs The Batter -RULES- Speed Equalized -Distance Between Opponents is 5 Meters -Early Game Batter is used -Takes place on Coruscant General Grievous, currently scales to at least baseline aka 59.44 Zettatons, with his LS scaling to 134.434564 Metric Tons, while The Batter scales...
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One thing I don't like about Star Wars is how the scale/fights sometimes come with tons of context.

It's never just about seeing the fight unfold and knowing what the scale is like; there are always like a million interviews or books/guides that tell you something.

For example, I was watching some footage of Old Obi-Wan vs. Maul, and there are several interviews from various sources that tell you things about the context of the fight.

For example, Maul vs. Old Obi-Wan. It's said in an interview that Maul completely underestimated Old Obi-Wan, and after the initial exchange in the fight, Maul tries to do the move with which he defeated Qui-Gon, but then it's said that Obi-Wan paid attention and was already prepared for it, so he saw the symmetry of the moment and cut him off. Since he learned from his master's mistakes.

On the one hand, it's cool to know that there were details that someone might not notice, but on the other hand, to ideally scale Star Wars, you need to go to college.
 
OWK Obi-Wan and OWK Vader seem to be equals, having a skill-based standoff. Kenobi defeated Vader through an amplifier while thinking about Luke and Leia.

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I was selling some stuff about the Vader vs. Koth fight, and damn, I hate this crap about a trillion contexts surrounding a fight.

I researched this because I saw conflicting opinions about how difficult this fight was for Vader. Some said that Vader suffered in the fight, for others it wasn't much.
But then I saw that Koth's power/ability was driven by the dark side. Vader was only using one hand in the duel, which means he wasn't taking the fight seriously, and from the Inquisitors' perspective, he seemed to be playing with Koth.

It's worth remembering that Koth (without resorting to the dark side) is one of the best duelists on the council who could have defeated Grievous at the beginning of the war.

Koth is more skilled than AOTC Obi Wan.
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Like, how many sources do you have to see the full context of a fight? Isn't that a bit overwhelming? I think sometimes I prefer expository dialogue than having to look in five different places.

And honestly, I don't doubt that there is more context that would change something.
 
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The Fury of Warriors: Knuckles the Echidna vs Darth Marr

Bad idea time! vs Rules Speed is Equalized Knuckles is in his Adventure 4-B key at his 30 FOE value Darth Marr is 4-B Start 5 meters away Battle takes place on clear skies outdoors on Angel Island Darth Marr has the following Prior Knowledge: Everything on both Spin Dash and Boost, and that...
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I think it will take a while for Chariot to do the calculations. But in that case, would it be a good idea to start downscaling?

Like, not scaling who is stronger or weaker than Vader's version of the calculations, but who at least scales minimally.

From what Chariot told me, he'll just do the CRT and leave it to the backers to apply.
 
noninho said:
We can talk about a scaling chain, yeah
but remind me, which version are we talking about?
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I don't know exactly what calculation Chariot will calculate, so I think it's best to do it with both of its keys.

Considering how things are these days, downscaling will probably affect everyone, but this is just to be sure.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
so I think it's best to do it with both of its keys
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Rebels and onward, IMO, would have this as a skeleton of a scaling chain:

Luke > Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi = Vader ≥ Ahsoka > Kanan / Ezra / Cal / [Insert Jedi i don't know] > Din "Mando" Djarin > All "The Mandalorian" characters
 
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