Why though is there reason?A Jewish belief
Kabbalah - Wikipedia
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As far as I'm concerned, we don't scale stuff like that.
Also nothing can be above Tier 0.
I though we don't scale it or somethin, also how do we apply it on a verse?.
Kabbalah is jewish mysticism.
Ayin is above the tiering system ye, by extension Ein Sof asw.
Apply critical thinking I guess.
Like what?, Could you give an example?
You apply what has been shown in the series, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't matter what tier Kabbalah "could" reach on this wiki (As people have stated already, we don't scale real life religion), the only thing that matters is what the series in question has demonstrated.
I mean we do apply real life theories, philosophies, and ect. Is this becuz of public domain, that we don't apply it here?
We don't. You won't get anything based on mentions of "platonism", "monad", "string theory" and whatever sci-fi or philosophical buzzword exist. What matters is feats given WITHIN the series. A series explaining that its concept exists within a realm beyond space and time, with reality being nothing more than a shadow of said realm is different from another series describing its concepts as "platonic". One gives actual information from which you can scale it, the other is a meaningless buzzword, where you're not even sure wether or not the author actually understand what the **** hes writing. Definitions, feats, context, cosmology, thats what matters and thats what the series has to provide.
Tier 0 requires immutability, however Ayin is neither immutable or mutable but instead grounds both.Like what?, Could you give an example?
Didn't DC already did that with the sphere of gods?
That actually depends. Why would the author write something they don’t understand? And even if we assume they did, wouldn’t that just be DOTA, since we already know what that ‘buzzword’ means? We don’t need to wait for the author to explain or acknowledge it.”
Except I’m not trying to argue why we don’t powerscale religions.
Ye but they also have a fully shown ****** cosmology
Because they can and because they will. If you don't understand how Einstein figured out E=mc² doesn't mean you can't use his end formula in your piece of fiction.
Nah, in many cases people genuinely think they understand something only for that to not work. For example, there's still people, including authors, who confuse mathematical dimensions and dimensions in the sense of universes, so when they hear 4-D they think different universe or make something wacky which doesn't fit our definition of it. Bringing up platonic concepts - the author may understand them at a surface level but not see how they would apply cosmologically.
Well, yet again, we don't scale it. If he clearly demonstrates some cosmological aspect of the kabbalah in the verse then you scale that part. Otherwise, we don't know how much attention was paid to the writings and if they were analyzed to the extent that a powerscaler did.
We just don't. When we start 'using' them we end up with people trying to scale Gojo Satoru to 1-A. Until the author shows exactly what he took from those books for his fiction we do not touch upon them. We're analyzing the media, not the idea that inspired the media. If there's a 1930s skyscraper and someone, inspired by it, built a skyscraper in the modern age, tell me - will you be able to fully understand the modern skyscraper's structure by looking at the old one? No. You won't, because construction standards have changed drastically since then.
You're really nitpicking the questions. He obviously means to say that if a verse applies something like universals in the cosmology properly for instance, would that not be scaled? The answer is no, it would be scaled.
if they are accurately portrayed, they would be scaled. If they are namedropped, then no.
Your proposition is redundant considering that it is implicit that I agree with this...
TBF, the higher dimensions stuff are hard to comprehend for new beginners.
I mean, some—if not most—authors sleep on powerscaling or don’t know where their characters or their verse actually scale, or how powerful it is. But that doesn’t mean we should just dismiss the feats and throw everything off.
I mean, how much demonstration would we need?
theory, do we then add an infinite-dimensional 
state space to the verse?”I agree with the God analogy, but the problem is that every verse that uses the Kabbalah idea tends to apply it to the Christian or Jewish God in their work, which makes it really hard for me to grasp.
The skyscraper analogy doesn’t work here, since we can’t prove that what the author referenced is very different from what they actually wrote—except by the reference itself.
You'd need to prove the worlds branch because of quantum superposition to posit an infinite dimensional hilbert space.If the author(s) say their multiverse works under the Many-Worlds Interpretation or Schrödinger’s cat
The many world interptations already suggest that
Even as someone with 0 knowledge on comics, I can assure you that DC has far more than randomly name dropped philosophical theorems applied to their cosmology.
It doesn't depend at all. If the author calls this awesome spear weapon Gungnir and does nothing else with it, you don't get to assign that weapon every of Mythology Gungnirs properties. The author named the weapon that way because its most likely just a cool name. You simply do not get to add things in the absence of evidence
Assigning a tiering to religious ideas is textbook powerscaling, you don't get around that, thus we don't do it,
Fiction doesn't need to be 1:1 with MWI even if it name drops it. Which is why what I've stated is required, or, the namedrop would suffice if the verse is known for incoporating quantum physics and similar stuff within it.
MWI is literally the first theory that argues for multiple possibilities via quantum mechanics, as that is the core idea of the theory
You asserted the same thing once more without contending to what I said. I don't use vsbw forums often anyway so if you wish to discuss this we can do it in vc on cord, my username there is the same as the name on this site(scrollergnl).
I don’t do VC, since im typing from my Potato
PC set 🖥 and don't have mic even lol.
Reading the further discussion, it seems your question is mostly how far we take namesdrop.
I see
, thank you. But would the Kabbalah fit into the first elaboration category?Mind if I ask why the latter category is applied more to scientific concepts rather than to religious or philosophical ones?
Not sure. I haven't encountered many serves that use Kabalah in some way, or even in any way at that, but that may just be due to me only reading certain genre of novels.I see
I mean, Do the author(s) use it in the same way they use Nirvana?
Mostly because scientic concepts are far less prone to extrapolation, or at least a high degree of extrapolation, unlike philosophical and religious concepts.
I think im starting to get it know, Thank you again
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No probs mateI think im starting to get it know, Thank you again
What about the other Sefirots in the tree?
High 1-A+ for Kether, the others are High 1-A or 1-A
Um, hello. Sorry for asking too late again, but do scientific name-drops need to be accurately portrayed or directly referenced to be accepted in scaling
You can always ask questions on my or others' message wall btw. Just click on the user's name below their pfp and then again on the name on the box that appears (if you're on pc).
Accurately portrayed.
