Isaac Netero vs Garou [11-10-0]

[Drite77]

I'd still like to count them anyways to not appear biased.

You probably should still do it but I'll try my best

Phoenks, GodzillavsRayquaza, Kachon123, Delusionaltx2, Epiccheev, Lloydblitzed, EnderLord8, TyranoDoom30

 

[Raiden38]

Garou FRA

 

[Drite77]

Garou FRA

Further FRAs for Garou shouldn't be considered since they were mande under the assumption Speed was equal

 

[Raiden38]

Further FRAs for Garou shouldn't be considered since they were mande under the assumption Speed was equal

even considering the speed gap for me Garou still wins with a little more difficulty but not too much in my opinion

 

[Nonynho]

The good Netero FRA

 

[Ebihara]

Netero FRA

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Is Netero 100 kilotons or 467? I knew speed was unequal but was operating under the assumption Netero wasn’t strong enough to actually do much to Garou without Zero Hand even at first and would get eclipsed in speed once Garou went half-monster due to this calc which is listed on the verse page but doesn’t actually seem to be included in Garou’s speed justification? For some reason?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is Netero 100 kilotons or 467? I knew speed was unequal but was operating under the assumption Netero wasn’t strong enough to actually do much to Garou without Zero Hand even at first and would get eclipsed in speed once Garou went half-monster due to this calc which is listed on the verse page but doesn’t actually seem to be included in Garou’s speed justification? For some reason?

Prime Netero is double the power of the Old Netero who fought Meruem, so he's 200 Kilotons.

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

My vote is still for Garou, smacking him around with the Boddhisatva isn’t doing much to him with the 3 times gap and how ridiculously enduring Garou is, and Zero Hand drains Netero hard so he won’t do it for a while. Pretty sure it wouldn’t even beat Garou if he did, it’s stronger than the smacks but not by enough to one-shot if I’m understanding it right as being a little over a megaton, and like I said, it drains him hella, it’s all of his energy. At which point Garou just kinda wins anyway. Speed blitzing doesn’t matter if Netero can’t actually bring Garou down in time.

 

[Nierre]

netero fra

 

[Drite77]

It's 8-8 btw Xsoul

 

[Lort15]

Netero FRA

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So how long has incon grace been going for?

 

[Drite77]

So how long has incon grace been going for?

Incon needs to be 72 hours if I recall, not long enough

 

[MrTayman616]

3x speed difference isn't much as Garou is capable of evolving to half-monster, where his speed rating is Mach 820. The attack's speed is the most relevant thing, while it's AP isn't much. As far as i've seen, I don't see it being capable of fully destroying Garou before he overcomes death.

Voting Garou.

 

[Purgy]

Netero FRA

 

[Raiden38]

was my and mr tayman votes counted?

 

[EnderLord8]

Meh, I'll stick to my vote for Garou

 

[Drite77]

was my and mr tayman votes counted?

Yours was, don't think Tayman's was, and the Enderlord revoted, currently 10-10

 

[Farfetchedx]

If I cap Garou's growth at High 7-C+ does that make it more fair? I should have been more specific on that.

You can't restrict a character's growth. Pretty sure that's against the rules

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You can't restrict a character's growth. Pretty sure that's against the rules

We do it for Garou all the time.

 

[Farfetchedx]

We do it for Garou all the time.

I don't remember ever seeing that. But that still doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be done

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I don't remember ever seeing that. But that still doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be done

You can cap the growth, Garou can growth to a certain limit

 

[Farfetchedx]

You can cap the growth, Garou can growth to a certain limit

If you cap the growth, you're restricting his RE, which goes against the rules.

 

[Phoenks]

Garou already has a 600x advantage in AP over Netero 's durability.

Why is this not a bigger point? I have no idea.

 

[Jaynic1]

netero fra

 

[Drite77]

I think Incon grace ends in 1 hour or so

 

[Arkenis]

Garou already has a 600x advantage in AP over Netero 's durability.

Why is this not a bigger point? I have no idea.

Because of the statue basically making it impossible for Garou to land an attack and speed unequal furthers this with Netero's initial movement being far faster than Pitou who is already dozens of times faster than Garou. So yeah Garou can one shot but Netero deliver thousands of blows before Garou grows fast enough to pass by the statue.

 

[Phoenks]

The speed gap is only ~3x. And Garou has literally fought people who were significantly faster than him before. Such as Orochi, who was over 10X faster than him. To which he adapted very rapidly.

That ain't overcoming a 600x difference in their durabilities. Garou taps him one time and he's gone.

 

[Kin201]

Am I missing something here? If Garou's durability is 600 times higher than Netero's attack power, as Phoenks said, then how is this discussion four pages long? Unless Netero can win with Nen crush or something?

 

[Arkenis]

Am I missing something here? If Garou's durability is 600 times higher than Netero's attack power, as Phoenks said, then how is this discussion four pages long? Unless Netero can win with Nen crush or something?

Garou already has a 600x advantage in AP over Netero 's durability.

You just switched them.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Am I missing something here? If Garou's durability is 600 times higher than Netero's attack power, as Phoenks said, then how is this discussion four pages long? Unless Netero can win with Nen crush or something?

There's a 3-ish times AP gap between Garou and Netero's statue, it's just that Netero's physical body is 600× weaker than Garou.

 

[Kin201]

You just switched them.

There's a 3-ish times AP gap between Garou and Netero's statue, it's just that Netero's physical body is 600× weaker than Garou.

Ah, I see now. If Netero is much faster and can harm Garou, then it's different matter. You can argue that Garou or at least this version of him isn't able to figure out the attack pattern of Netero.

To what extent were Netero's "hand movements" faster than Meruem's raw speed? I don't recall exactly, but it guess it is enough to make a comparison here.

 

[Catbowtie]

There's a 3-ish times AP gap between Garou and Netero's statue, it's just that Netero's physical body is 600× weaker than Garou.

Didn't Netero reach High 7-C with immense difficulty? It took...what was it again? Thousands of strikes for Meruem to feel dull pain? How is Netero supposed to beat Garou?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Didn't Netero reach High 7-C with immense difficulty? It took...what was it again? Thousands of strikes for Meruem to feel dull pain? How is Netero supposed to beat Garou?

That was old man Netero, this is Prime Netero who is twice as strong.

 

[Arkenis]

Idk why the page doesn't have it, but Netero knocked Pitou away like 2km and literally scared Pitou just from his presence, he's definitely h7c ignoring the Meruem stuff

 

[Kin201]

Idk why the page doesn't have it, but Netero knocked Pitou away like 2km and literally scared Pitou just from his presence, he's definitely h7c ignoring the Meruem stuff

Did he actually hurt them with that slap? I remember Pitou tanking it.

Narratively, I think it makes sense that Netero could beat Pitou, but for now he doesn't scale to them yet so a CRT would probably be needed for that.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Garou FRA

 

[Robo432343]

Garou FRA

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Pretty sure Incon Grace ended awhile ago. This can be added now.