OPM: Ninja Arc Revision

[MrTayman616]

Flashy Flash:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" like Saitama's key or "Ninja Arc".
• He got stronger that before, easily beating Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame who came after training harder that ever to defeat Flashy Flash, while holding back.
• Faster than before. Faster than the members of The Tenninto, who are superior to Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame after training harder that ever to defeat Flashy Flash, and faster than them to the point they can't even see their movements after not holding back.
• No longer has Instakill, uses replacements that are visibly weaker than it.

His ratings doesn't change, just gets "Stronger than before" And "At least FTL".

Speed-o'-Sound Sonic:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" or "Ninja Arc".
• While both of them were holding back, he's shown to be able to fight against Flashy Flash, forcing him to use one of his ultimate moves.
• He's shown to be comparable to the members of The Tenninto in terms of strength, who are superior to Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame, and faster than them to the point they can't even see their movements when he's not holding back.
• Can make more than 30 afterimages now.

He should be "At least Country Level, likely higher" for Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability. "At least FTL" Speed. And "Class P" Lifting Strength.

Gale Wind & Hellfire Flame:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" or "Ninja Arc".
• They're stronger and faster than before. They came back after training harder than ever to defeat Flashy Flash, after their loss against him in their monster form. They should scale above to it.
• They can use ninjutsu to change their location the moment they get hit. They should get Afterimage Creation, Stealth Mastery, and Speed Enhancement.

They should be "At least Country Level, likely higher" for Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability. "At least FTL" Speed. And "Class P" Lifting Strength.

Blast:

• An addition to his Space-Time manipulation. He can shut down portals and spatial rifts regardless if it's his own or not, with his ability "Shut", and he can use his ability like a barrier to protect himself from attacks.
• Changing his lifting strength to "At least Class P to possibly Class Z, likely higher" as he casually stopped the members of Tenninto and Flashy Flash. Tatsumaki believes Blast can handle all of her attacks without any difficulty like Saitama.
• An addition to his Gravity Manipulation. He can send gravity blows.
• Removing the additions from pre-retcon.

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This only includes the current characters in the wiki. I'd be happy to hear if something is wrong or if there's more to include ​

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

His ratings doesn't change, just gets "Stronger than before" And "At least FTL".

May I ask where the "at least" comes from?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

May I ask where the "at least" comes from?

Not OP, but I'm guessing it's just supposed to be At least FTL (Faster then before) since Flashy Flash is already FTL in a presumed weaker key.

 

[MrTayman616]

May I ask where the "at least" comes from?

He got faster, unknown amount. They get "At least" in those cases as far as i know.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

He got faster, unknown amount. They get "At least" in those cases as far as i know.

I see, I was confused, since when I look at the other profiles, I saw no indication for it.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Agreed, and we also have a profile of Genos that should add a new key for him in the Eighth Version.

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[Phoenks]

"Ninja Arc" is better for longevity.

 

[Kachon123]

Genos would also scale.

 

[Nami_Kami]

It's a shame we got a redraw . Second version could have upscaled Sonic to multi-SS via being able to potentially hurt Void ( assuming it wasn't thrown away for inconsistency )

 

[MrTayman616]

Genos would also scale.

I'm kinda hesitant about it.

He definitely physically don't scale rn. Speed might be arguable but not really much of an implication exists imo.

( assuming it wasn't thrown away for inconsistency )

Why would it? He calls himself the best ninja which would make him superior to Void anyway :d

 

[Kachon123]

He definitely physically don't scale rn. Speed might be arguable but not really much of an implication exists imo

Why wouldn't he physically scale

 

[MrTayman616]

Why wouldn't he physically scale

He didn't show anything against the ninjas there. Even if we count his fight against Flashy Flash, we don't even know if one of them hit the other or if Flash was actually using his speed etc.

Also this, where he claims he didn't come out unharmed because the enemy was disaster level demon.

 

[Kachon123]

He didn't show anything against the ninjas there. Even if we count his fight against Flashy Flash, we don't even know if one of them hit the other or if Flash was actually using his speed etc.

Also this, where he claims he didn't come out unharmed because the enemy was disaster level demon.

We see and hear him physically clash with Flashy. In the dialogue prior to the fight, Flashy said that he would force his way inside and after the interruption he called Genos an annoying guard dog. He was keeping up. Genos also kept up with Flashy and Sonic when they fought alongside each other.

Genos lost his arm (which is detachable) and got some superficial face injuries. Strong demon level monsters aren't impossible, and Genos says as much in the panel.

 

[MrTayman616]

We see and hear him physically clash with Flashy. In the dialogue prior to the fight, Flashy said that he would force his way inside and after the interruption he called Genos an annoying guard dog. He was keeping up. Genos also kept up with Flashy and Sonic when they fought alongside each other.

He did clash with Flashy Flash, but that alone isn't enough to compare Genos to him as there is no implication of Flashy Flash being serious or anything.

Genos didn't keep up with Flashy and Sonic there. Genos just attacked the monsters, Flashy Flash attacked the ninjas and Sonic attacked to Saitama. I don't think it can be compared from that.

Genos lost his arm (which is detachable) and got some superficial face injuries. Strong demon level monsters aren't impossible, and Genos says as much in the panel.

Not to the point a Demon level is thousands of times stronger than a Dragon (Cadre) level.

 

[Kachon123]

He did clash with Flashy Flash, but that alone isn't enough to compare Genos to him as there is no implication of Flashy Flash being serious or anything.

Flashy Flash in this key is many times faster and stronger than he was during the Monster Association arc, as were Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind. Despite that, Genos is able to dodge and move in tandem with all 4 of the Ninja and attack the fodder at the same time.

Genos didn't keep up with Flashy and Sonic there. Genos just attacked the monsters, Flashy Flash attacked the ninjas and Sonic attacked to Saitama. I don't think it can be compared from that.

Flashy Flash was putting relative effort in fighting Genos as he was fighting Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind, who already scale to that level.

Not to the point a Demon level is thousands of times stronger than a Dragon (Cadre) level.

Monsters outside of the Monster Association are not ranked based exclusively on strength, unless you want to tell me that Withered Sprout is stronger than Beefcake or Vaccine Man.

 

[MrTayman616]

Flashy Flash in this key is many times faster and stronger than he was during the Monster Association arc, as were Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind. Despite that, Genos is able to dodge and move in tandem with all 4 of the Ninja and attack the fodder at the same time.

Genos didn't dodge any of their attacks?

He just fought against the monsters there.

Flashy Flash was putting relative effort in fighting Genos as he was fighting Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind, who already scale to that level.

I see no reason to believe the effort he put against Genos is similar to the effort he put against Hellfire and Gale Wind, since he already fought them before.

Monsters outside of the Monster Association are not ranked based exclusively on strength, unless you want to tell me that Withered Sprout is stronger than Beefcake or Vaccine Man.

Genos himself makes accurate descriptions of their power as well. Hero HQ isn't that reliable for ratings, but Genos himself would comment on it if the enemy is superior to a Dragon level.

 

[Kachon123]

Genos didn't dodge any of their attacks?

He just fought against the monsters there.

You misinterpreted me. The 4 ninja and Genos dodged the fodder together and moved in tandem.

I see no reason to believe the effort he put against Genos is similar to the effort he put against Hellfire and Gale Wind, since he already fought them before.

Genos in fact does better.

Genos himself makes accurate descriptions of their power as well. Hero HQ isn't that reliable for ratings, but Genos himself would comment on it if the enemy is superior to a Dragon level

And yet we'll see Genos (according to you) struggle so much against a Demon Level monster yet a weaker version of himself was capable of comparing dragons and one shotting powerful demons. It's not linear. You're looking to deep into that one scene. It definitely doesn't disqualify Genos' scaling.

 

[MrTayman616]

You misinterpreted me. The 4 ninja and Genos dodged the fodder together and moved in tandem.

Oh sry then.

But still, i don't think that moment is good enough to compare. It'd be different if he visibly dodged or reacted to one of them imo.

Genos in fact does better.

Not what i mean. How can we compare the effort there at all when we don't even know how serious Flashy Flash is.

He already fought them before as well after all.

And yet we'll see Genos (according to you) struggle so much against a Demon Level monster yet a weaker version of himself was capable of comparing dragons and one shotting powerful demons. It's not linear. You're looking to deep into that one scene. It definitely doesn't disqualify Genos' scaling.

Not according to me* since it's not my declaration but his.

Genos didn't compare to dragon levels physically(we don't even compare his physicals to them in his profile as well), he consistently used his beams against them. Later, in his current version, he states his firepower reached a level where he can fight Dragon levels.

Not just that but that version of Genos was specifically made for him to be vastly superior in attack power rather than being balanced.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You'd think Genos would get some better upgrades for his physical stats at this point. Also do his energy blasts have recoil he has to endure? If so then holy hell his durability should be way higher than it is since he didn't kill himself using his amps.

 

[MrTayman616]

You'd think Genos would get some better upgrades for his physical stats at this point. Also do his energy blasts have recoil he has to endure? If so then holy hell his durability should be way higher than it is since he didn't kill himself using his amps.

He had heat problems etc. He's not enduring the AP of the attack himself.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He had heat problems etc. He's not enduring the AP of the attack himself.

Even with Ten Second Mode?

 

[MrTayman616]

Even with Ten Second Mode?

Especially with Ten Second Mode, heat problems are mostly cuz of it :d

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Especially with Ten Second Mode, heat problems are mostly cuz of it :d

I'm surprised he didn't explode from his own attacks then like Deku did with One For All for most of MHA.

 

[MrTayman616]

I'm surprised he didn't explode from his own attacks then like Deku did with One For All for most of MHA.

He was going to explode though, Fubuki stopped it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He was going to explode though, Fubuki stopped it.

Ah.

 

[Raiden38]

Flashy Flash:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" like Saitama's key or "Ninja Arc".
• He got stronger that before, easily beating Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame who came after training harder that ever to defeat Flashy Flash, while holding back.
• Faster than before. Faster than the members of The Tenninto, who are superior to Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame after training harder that ever to defeat Flashy Flash, and faster than them to the point they can't even see their movements after not holding back.
• No longer has Instakill, uses replacements that are visibly weaker than it.

His ratings doesn't change, just gets "Stronger than before" And "At least FTL".

Speed-o'-Sound Sonic:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" or "Ninja Arc".
• While both of them were holding back, he's shown to be able to fight against Flashy Flash, forcing him to use one of his ultimate moves.
• He's shown to be comparable to the members of The Tenninto in terms of strength, who are superior to Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame, and faster than them to the point they can't even see their movements when he's not holding back.
• Can make more than 30 afterimages now.

He should be "At least Country Level, likely higher" for Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability. "At least FTL" Speed. And "Class P" Lifting Strength.

Gale Wind & Hellfire Flame:

• A new key should be added. Either "Current" or "Ninja Arc".
• They're stronger and faster than before. They came back after training harder than ever to defeat Flashy Flash, after their loss against him in their monster form. They should scale above to it.
• They can use ninjutsu to change their location the moment they get hit. They should get Afterimage Creation, Stealth Mastery, and Speed Enhancement.

They should be "At least Country Level, likely higher" for Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability. "At least FTL" Speed. And "Class P" Lifting Strength.

Blast:

• An addition to his Space-Time manipulation. He can shut down portals and spatial rifts regardless if it's his own or not, with his ability "Shut", and he can use his ability like a barrier to protect himself from attacks.
• Changing his lifting strength to "At least Class P to possibly Class E, likely higher" as he casually stopped the members of Tenninto and Flashy Flash. Tatsumaki believes Blast can handle all of her attacks without any difficulty like Saitama.
• An addition to his Gravity Manipulation. He can send gravity blows.
• Removing the additions from pre-retcon.

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This only includes the current characters in the wiki. I'd be happy to hear if something is wrong or if there's more to include ​

we should create a profile for genbu and byakko and Kirin even if we don't have too much unfortunately for the rest Genos should at least not be too inferior to Flashy physically if he had been physically at the level we put him at he wouldn't even have been able to land more than one hit without being KO since Flashy is extremely stronger than the level we put Genos at physically

there wouldn't have been any clash between them and the blows that impact making everything tremble because Flashy even without a sword is much much stronger than Genos where we place him and therefore Genos would have ended up immediately on the ground even if Flashy had held back which however we can't know so we can say that he fought normally against Genos not with the intention of killing most likely but he certainly wouldn't have hesitated to knock him out

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Mega bump

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

They can use ninjutsu to change their location the moment they get hit.

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An addition to his Space-Time manipulation. He can shut down portals and spatial rifts regardless if it's his own or not, with his ability "Shut", and he can use his ability like a barrier to protect himself from attacks.

I could see Spatial Manipulation but why Space-Time Manipulation?

An addition to his Gravity Manipulation. He can send gravity blows

Is this Gravity Blow actually have gravity in it, or it is just attack name?

Removing the additions from pre-retcon

Oke i guess

Sorry i will only evaluate abilities, scaling chain is not my forte, especially verse i hardly know (anime watcher only)

 

[MrTayman616]

Scan not working

Fixed.

Is this Gravity Blow actually have gravity in it, or it is just attack name?

The attack is based on his normal gravity knucles, which is shown to have gravititonal field, absorbing the air and attacks etc.

I could see Spatial Manipulation but why Space-Time Manipulation?

The rift reaches to a gap in space and time. (Also i wasn't sure if it's supposed to be added as "spatial manipulation" when he already has spatial-temporal manipulation in the profile )

Sorry i will only evaluate abilities, scaling chain is not my forte, especially verse i hardly know (anime watcher only)

I see, thanks anyway

 

[Worthless]

It's almost as though the idea of fighting without being serious is a foreign concept to some of y'all, when the main character literally does it on a daily basis. Literacy left the chat. Also, scaling Genos to them will just downgrade them below light speed due to his own statement

 

[Raiden38]

It's almost as though the idea of fighting without being serious is a foreign concept to some of y'all, when the main character literally does it on a daily basis. Literacy left the chat. Also, scaling Genos to them will just downgrade them below light speed due to his own statement

However, Flashy is not a character who holds back but often launches to knock out or instantly kill the enemy. We have generally seen him often fight to kill and even with Saitama, even though he knew he was human, he did not hesitate to attack him a second time except when he intended to put Saitama to the test, which was funny in the webcomic you can clearly see that Flashy was trying to kill Genos since he had his sword drawn and pointed at Genos' neck... anyway in this case in the manga he certainly would not have wanted to kill Genos but with the difference in strength that should be between them in the profiles he could have easily knocked him down without killing him a bit like Tatsumaki did in the Boros story arc and I don't understand which statement by Genos you are referring to... in any case, even if he was, he could simply not be too far from Flashy's speed currently, he is certainly slower but not so much that he cannot fight a bit. There could be many explanations for adapting even just downscaling the current Genos from Flashy

 

[MrTayman616]

However, Flashy is not a character who holds back but often launches to knock out or instantly kill the enemy. We have generally seen him often fight to kill and even with Saitama, even though he knew he was human, he did not hesitate to attack him a second time except when he intended to put Saitama to the test

Not at all. He acts rationally, he kills fodders instantly, he didn't go all out against Gale Wind and Hellfire when he saw them first, instead he was calm and waited until he can take both of them out at once. He attacked Saitama again because he stopped his attack perfectly.

anyway in this case in the manga he certainly would not have wanted to kill Genos but with the difference in strength that should be between them in the profiles he could have easily knocked him down without killing him a bit like Tatsumaki did in the Boros story arc

Why would he? Tell me literally one instance where he acted like that. Also considering the difference in strength, Flashy Flash would kill Gale Wind and Hellfire at the same time before they even turned into their monster form. Also you don't see Flashy Flash being surprised at all against Genos(he was shocked ands sweating because he thought Saitama dodged ONE of his casual attack, which he believes no hero is comparable to him), rather he just calls it "rude".

There is no reason to think Flashy Flash even tries against him, nor it makes sense scaling wise considering Genos's current situation.

and I don't understand which statement by Genos you are referring to...

He refers to one of Genos's three theory about how Saitama went back in time.

in any case, even if he was, he could simply not be too far from Flashy's speed currently, he is certainly slower but not so much that he cannot fight a bit. There could be many explanations for adapting even just downscaling the current Genos from Flashy

No reason to assume Flashy Flash was trying more against him than he did against human Gale Wind in monster association arc or anything like that.

At the very least, i'm not convinced at all nor think it makes sense in any way.

 

[Raiden38]

Not at all. He acts rationally, he kills fodders instantly, he didn't go all out against Gale Wind and Hellfire when he saw them first, instead he was calm and waited until he can take both of them out at once. He attacked Saitama again because he stopped his attack perfectly.

Why would he? Tell me literally one instance where he acted like that. Also considering the difference in strength, Flashy Flash would kill Gale Wind and Hellfire at the same time before they even turned into their monster form. Also you don't see Flashy Flash being surprised at all against Genos(he was shocked ands sweating because he thought Saitama dodged ONE of his casual attack, which he believes no hero is comparable to him), rather he just calls it "rude".

There is no reason to think Flashy Flash even tries against him, nor it makes sense scaling wise considering Genos's current situation.

He refers to one of Genos's three theory about how Saitama went back in time.

No reason to assume Flashy Flash was trying more against him than he did against human Gale Wind in monster association arc or anything like that.

At the very least, i'm not convinced at all nor think it makes sense in any way.

True, you're right, my little miss, he goes for the quick and efficient kill with the two ninjas, he waits for the two to be perfectly in the right place to eliminate them both so that neither of them would have had the chance to escape. In my opinion, this doesn't change the fact that here in this case, since he certainly didn't want to kill Genos and the latter doesn't have ninja techniques of body replacement etc., he could have simply knocked him down to ensure that he didn't bother him anymore instead of exchanging blows he could have done as against galewind and hellfire at their second meeting but with the intention of not killing Genos since he was an ally I don't know... against the two ninjas he hadn't tried to kill them immediately because they probably could have replaced themselves and escape. However, I'll probably stop insisting, I understand that there are things that don't add up... but tell me how Genos' theory about Saitama going beyond the speed of light, if I remember correctly, could generate a downscaling of the others...

 

[Epiccheev]

I agree with mr.manoftay's proposal's presented in this thread in this forum in this site FRA.

 

[Vietthai96]

Fixed.

Tbh, i don't see it being Afterimage, Speed Enhancement. Like they just have some weird decoys in their place to get hit instead of themselves, scene is really vague, ngl

The rift reaches to a gap in space and time. (Also i wasn't sure if it's supposed to be added as "spatial manipulation" when he already has spatial-temporal manipulation in the profile )

Space-Time Manipulation is fine then, though can you show me the proof for the portal reaches to gap in space and time?

 

[MrTayman616]

Tbh, i don't see it being Afterimage, Speed Enhancement. Like they just have some weird decoys in their place to get hit instead of themselves, scene is really vague, ngl

(Copied from Naruto :d)

I mean they continue fighting even while it's happening, not that the fighter is a decoy from the beginning or anything.

Space-Time Manipulation is fine then, though can you show me the proof for the portal reaches to gap in space and time?

Here, Blast teleports there later.

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean they continue fighting even while it's happening, not that the fighter is a decoy from the beginning or anything.

Idk about Naruto so at best i'm fine with Afterimage Creation, Speed Enhancement seem a bit of a reach to me

Here, Blast teleports there later

Fine then