Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Buraqibear]

Bro says this as if he had upgraded the verse in any way

I joined like a month ago lemme cook for a few more months

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Purple just being "red + blue" is honestly a GIGANTIC limit. Purple is clearly MUCH stronger than just the combination of Red and Blue. Giving it the AP of both combined makes it much, much weaker than it's ever portrayed to be. That just doesn't really make sense, it's not a "safe low ball" it's just a random, arbitrary limit lmao

We literally have no other way of scaling it.
Red is over 2x blue and blue is slightly above Gojo's base stats with no multiplier and Purple is a combination of both with no multiplier. It's either over 3x gojo's base or we just stack a far higher rating on it with no stat number increase and it'll just be >>>>328.32 Kilotons

 

[Buraqibear]

Utahime's page LITERALLY says she boosts herself and others by 120% yet I have no reading no comprehension???

Dawg you weren't even the subject of my message but you still proved yourself to be a JJK fan

 

[Axxtentacle]

We literally have no other way of scaling it.
Red is over 2x blue and blue is slightly above Gojo's base stats with no multiplier and Purple is a combination of both with no multiplier. It's either over 3x gojo's base or we just stack a far higher rating on it with no stat number increase and it'll just be >>>>328.32 Kilotons

Then don't put a solid number on it. Not having a way to put a number on it is not justification for putting a blatantly incorrect number on it.

 

[Buraqibear]

Nowhere in the manga does it say Utahime gave him a 20% boost.

Her CT gives OTHERS a boost and she boosted HER CT to 120% by performing it ritualistically, but nowhere is HOW much of a boost she gives stated. Performing your CT ritualistically is what gets you to 120% output.

Gojo and Utahime got THEMSELVES to 120% output, and Utahime's buffing CT boosted Gojo's CT from 120%.

"Elevating the Cursed Technique to the level of a ritual boosts it's output by 120%" that's the official translation. While the panel was showing Gojo, it could be hinting that due to being performed ritualistically, Utahime's CT boosted Gojo by 120% and we have no other way of scaling Gojo (till the calcs of it get accepted) so we have to just assume it's Red + Blue. If you have a better alternative than you can use that or make a CRT for it

 

[Buraqibear]

We literally have no other way of scaling it.
Red is over 2x blue and blue is slightly above Gojo's base stats with no multiplier and Purple is a combination of both with no multiplier. It's either over 3x gojo's base or we just stack a far higher rating on it with no stat number increase and it'll just be >>>>328.32 Kilotons

The mods probably won't accept it but we could try attempting to make it Red*Blue

 

[Axxtentacle]

"Elevating the Cursed Technique to the level of a ritual boosts it's output by 120%" that's the official translation. While the panel was showing Gojo, it could be hinting that due to being performed ritualistically, Utahime's CT boosted Gojo by 120% and we have no other way of scaling Gojo (till the calcs of it get accepted) so we have to just assume it's Red + Blue. If you have a better alternative than you can use that or make a CRT for it

1. The official translations are dog, but this time they're actually in line with the good translations.
2. Her CT is to boost others. This is just saying her CT is 20% stronger than normal. It is NOT saying she buffs people by 20%. JJK fan reading comprehension curse strikes again.
3. A blatantly incorrect way of scaling is not justified due to a lack of alternatives.

 

[Axxtentacle]

You do realize that if you interpret this statement as she buffs people to 120% with the ritualized technique, so giving them a 20% buff, you're saying that the standard version of the technique buffs people to 100%...? As in their normal level of power?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Then don't put a solid number on it. Not having a way to put a number on it is not justification for putting a blatantly incorrect number on it.

"Guys, saying purple is just a oneshot tier above red which already a oneshot tier above a 2x increase instead of a oneshot tier above 3x gojo's physicals because purple is literally red+blue is so much better!"

 

[Axxtentacle]

"Guys, saying purple is just a oneshot tier above red which already a oneshot tier above a 2x increase instead of a oneshot tier above 3x gojo's physicals because purple is literally red+blue is so much better!"

It's better than something blatantly WRONG lmfaooo stop acting like "Red AP + Blue AP = purple AP" is a logical thing to say when it makes literally no sense with the portrayal of the abilities

VSBW jjk supporters are a different breed man, who the hell goes "well we only have this incredibly incorrect way of scaling this thing, so it's better than nothing"

like no, being wrong is not better than acknowledging there isn't an answer lmfao

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The mods probably won't accept it but we could try attempting to make it Red*Blue

Then it's crazy inconsistent since it should literally end Sukuna at the end. Red left crazy damage on Domain amped Sukuna and Sukuna using Domain amplification. Sukuna would be dust is Red*Blue (5.38970112 Megatons for just a regular non-chant-enhanced purple)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

It's better than something blatantly WRONG lmfaooo stop acting like "Red AP + Blue AP = purple AP" is a logical thing to say when it makes literally no sense with the portrayal of the abilities

VSBW jjk supporters are a different breed man, who the hell goes "well we only have this incredibly incorrect way of scaling this thing, so it's better than nothing"

like no, being wrong is not better than acknowledging there isn't an answer lmfao

I see so we should totally say that Purple is just a oneshot tier above red, nerfing it to utter oblivion

 

[LaserPrecision]

I see so we should totally say that Purple is just a oneshot tier above red, nerfing it to utter oblivion

Keeping it as it is or saying "far higher with" aren't nerfs. It's the same thing tbh.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Large Town level+ characters while gojo throws purple at them (it's just a oneshot tier above 328.32 kitons)

 

[Axxtentacle]

I see so we should totally say that Purple is just a oneshot tier above red, nerfing it to utter oblivion

So... to be clear, you're acknowledging that you're scaling something incorrectly purely for the sake of making it stronger...?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

So... to be clear, you're acknowledging that you're scaling something incorrectly purely for the sake of making it stronger...?

Purple=Red+Blue, 3=>2+>1, simple.
If you think it's sooooooo wrong, make a CRT like most people have been doing for JJK lately

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Keeping it as it is or saying "far higher with" aren't nerfs. It's the same thing tbh.

Well, if we get rid of the way it currently is, we can literally scale purple to furnace since it incinerated maho's wheel, unlike sukuna's fuga, so I really don't mind if bro gets rid of it

 

[Axxtentacle]

Purple=Red+Blue, 3=>2+>1, simple.
If you think it's sooooooo wrong, make a CRT like most people have been doing for JJK lately

the problem is that it literally can not be 3 with the portrayal of the abilities lmfao

Believe it or not, I do think we should use what the verse shows or tells us instead of making things up to scale it with. Even if that might make it weaker. Because I am not trying to wank the verse.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well, if we get rid of the way it currently is, we can literally scale purple to furnace since it incinerated maho's wheel, unlike sukuna's fuga, so I really don't mind if bro gets rid of it

I just think listing Purple as "far higher" or giving it a tier like Red and going "At least [Inser tier]" is better with the reasoning being "It's at least 3x as strong for being the culmination of Red and Lapse Blue". Not that simple, but that's a simplification.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

VSBW jjk supporters are a different breed man

My brotha in christ, outside here is either 5-A Special Grades or 8-C Sukuna

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I just think listing Purple as "far higher" or giving it a tier like Red and going "At least [Inser tier]" is better with the reasoning being "It's at least 3x as strong for being the culmination of Red and Lapse Blue". Not that simple, but that's a simplification.

I just reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly dislike just a "far higher" tier without a known number since it's dealing with unknowns and I hate unknowns, hence why I don't really care if the 3x thing is removed and we just scale purple to Divine flames (>487.05783 Kilotons)

 

[Axxtentacle]

My brotha in christ, outside here is either 5-A Special Grades or 8-C Sukuna

didn't people on here try to get special grades to tier 5 saying they should have higher output than Yuki's black hole? probably not a supporter but still, the insane takes are everywhere

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

My brotha in christ, outside here is either 5-A Special Grades or 8-C Sukuna

Man, back when the Gojo's earthquake feat was being talked about in the upgrade turned downgrade thread, some people were genuinely arguing Gojo and Sukuna aren't physically more than building busters

 

[LaserPrecision]

I just reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly dislike just a "far higher" tier without a known number since it's dealing with unknowns and I hate unknowns, hence why I don't really care if the 3x thing is removed and we just scale purple to Divine flames (>487.05783 Kilotons)

My solution was to say that Hollow Purple is at least 3x stronger than Gojo, because it's obviously more than 3x above him given the destruction it causes on people relative to Gojo. But it also shows that it can't possibly be any lower than that. It's the lowest possible assumption. You can still do that when listing smth as "far higher". Plus, most stated increases are far below the feats the characters showcase.

I also think the amps for Purple via chants should have their own tier since chants/incantations can be used to make any Cursed Technique stronger.

Also, nobody really mentioned if we should use Megumi's domain being stated to increase his potential by 120% (2.2x) or not. Cuz we already know via Gojo that it provides a buff to the user, and that would finally give us a concrete number.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

we just scale purple to Divine flames (>487.05783 Kilotons)

The problem with scaling Purple to it is that the rating of the Divine Flames varies depending of the amount of matter pulverized

 

[Axxtentacle]

megumi's domain statement is saying his CT was increased to 120%

as in, 120% compared to its typical 100%

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

My solution was to say that Hollow Purple is at least 3x stronger than Gojo, because it's obviously more than 3x above him given the destruction it causes on people relative to Gojo. But it also shows that it can't possibly be any lower than that. It's the lowest possible assumption. You can still do that when listing smth as "far higher". Plus, most stated increases are far below the feats the characters showcase.

I also think the amps for Purple via chants should have their own tier since chants/incantations can be used to make any Cursed Technique stronger.

Also, nobody really mentioned if we should use Megumi's domain being stated to increase his potential by 120% (2.2x) or not. Cuz we already know via Gojo that it provides a buff to the user, and that would finally give us a concrete number.

That's the unspoken part. Purple is currently treated as far higher than the sum of its parts, which is 492.48 kilotons

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

My brotha in christ, outside here is either 5-A Special Grades or 8-C Sukuna

High 3-A/Low 2-C Gojo and Sukuna

 

[Axxtentacle]

The problem with scaling Purple to it is that the rating of the Divine Flames varies depending of the amount of matter pulverized

is the fuga calc coming from the shibuya or shinjuku fuga?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

My solution was to say that Hollow Purple is at least 3x stronger than Gojo, because it's obviously more than 3x above him given the destruction it causes on people relative to Gojo. But it also shows that it can't possibly be any lower than that. It's the lowest possible assumption. You can still do that when listing smth as "far higher". Plus, most stated increases are far below the feats the characters showcase.

That's fair enough. I also have that interpertation.

I also think the amps for Purple via chants should have their own tier since chants/incantations can be used to make any Cursed Technique stronger.

I believe that's true and is mentioned and shown via sukuna

Also, nobody really mentioned if we should use Megumi's domain being stated to increase his potential by 120% (2.2x) or not. Cuz we already know via Gojo that it provides a buff to the user, and that would finally give us a concrete number.

I was honestly gonna make an argument that, since gojo's red greatly damaged Sukuna, who's buffed at least 2.2x by the domain (I say at least because Gojo and Sukuna are both top 3 [Kenny and Tengen are obv Top 2] best barrier users and bumgumi has the like the bottom of the barrel domains in the series), and we know red is an over 2x boost so Gojo red >2.2x and purple is at least 3.2x lol.

 

[LaserPrecision]

megumi's domain statement is saying his CT was increased to 120%

as in, 120% compared to its typical 100%

The official translations say that. Tho TCB says it's increased by 120%. Not to 120%. Impying a 2.2x increase as opposed to a 1.2x increase.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

is the fuga calc coming from the shibuya or shinjuku fuga?

Iirc shibuya recalc had a 7-B result, but I'm not so sure if it's correct. But if it is correct, purple def can scale. I'm just not so sure about using Shinjuku one

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The problem with scaling Purple to it is that the rating of the Divine Flames varies depending of the amount of matter pulverized

Still, Gojo's hollow purple should still be stronger than Sukuna's flame arrow of shinjuku when he was incredibly Weakened in vast many ways (especially when he endured 8 soul black flashes from Yuji)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Sukuna's flame arrow of shinjuku when he was incredibly Weakened in vast many ways

Some translations says that the Divine Flames were at 100% strenght due to binding vows that Sukuna made, but we need to check the raws

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Some translations says that the Divine Flames were at 100% strenght due to binding vows that Sukuna made, but we need to check the raws

Wasn't that malevolent shrine for 99 seconds (Which, I felt was super weird since Yuji survived it and only had his leg come off. like, even with RCT and him being my goat, he's not Gojo and 100% output domain shrine the head should've killed him)?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Wasn't that malevolent shrine for 99 seconds (Which, I felt was super weird since Yuji survived it and only had his leg come off. like, even with RCT and him being my goat, he's not Gojo and 100% output domain shrine the head should've killed him)?

He had Simple Domain active most of the time IIRC. It was only during like, the very end of the domain that it cut his leg off after breaking SD.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Some translations says that the Divine Flames were at 100% strenght due to binding vows that Sukuna made, but we need to check the raws.

I think the accurate translations were saying Sukuna had "no loss in output or range" with the domain, but that wouldn't mean it's just as strong as the MSs at the beginning of the fight

just means they're 100% of the output he can currently use (as in, he didn't limit his range or output in a binding vow to pull off MS)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

He had Simple Domain active most of the time IIRC. It was only during like, the very end of the domain that it cut his leg off after breaking SD.

he did have simple domain (which is crazy it lasted that long) and he was still shredded before the leg loss

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I think the accurate translations were saying Sukuna had "no loss in output or range" with the domain, but that wouldn't mean it's just as strong as the MSs at the beginning of the fight

just means they're 100% of the output he can currently use (as in, he didn't limit his range or output in a binding vow to pull off MS)

that's fair and makes way more sense

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I think the accurate translations were saying Sukuna had "no loss in output or range" with the domain, but that wouldn't mean it's just as strong as the MSs at the beginning of the fight

just means they're 100% of the output he can currently use (as in, he didn't limit his range or output in a binding vow to pull off MS)

Yea, more viable. I will still check raws just to make sure