Steve from Minecraft Vs Yu from the Boxer (9-3-0) GRACE

[MonkeyOfLife]

Well idk if Steve's hunger would be exacerbated in a fight where he's expending a lot of energy, the profile uses game mechanics and actual mechanics at the same time so it's hard to tell, but he only has 4 pieces of meat to eat then he kinda cooked.

1 meat would regen him, he can do that 3 more times basically

 

[Vzearr]

Steve has 4.5 meter reach with blocks/lava and 3 meter reach with physical attacks.

His attacks are telekinetic in nature as he does not have to physically hit Yu to damage him, he just has to be close enough. Thereby nullifying a lot of methods Yu could use to counter/dodge his attacks in the first place.

As he is a boxer in a grounded series, he lacks any experience against supernatural game mechanics.

Yu's analytical prediction predicts where his opponents will hit him, Steve has to literally look at where he's gonna place the block of lava, giving Yu time to predict where he will place the lava. You do realise Yu has previous knowledge of him right?

Is that the limit of your argument?

Petty.

One of the main arguments here is Steve placing lava under Yu, it has been discussed that the placement speed is instant and that Steve has sort of "invisible" range because of 3m range

Yu cannot dodge something he doesn't expect nor has seen once

^^^^

 

[Vzearr]

Bro Steve survives an arrow to the brain even without regenerating and he doesn't bleed from it, how exactly would he bleed more in a vital place? Would pressure points even work or be hit correctly on the brick block that is Steve's body?

Holy game mechanics.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yu's analytical prediction predicts where his opponents will hit him, Steve has to literally look at where he's gonna place the block of lava, giving Yu time to predict where he will place the lava. You do realise Yu has previous knowledge of him right?

The problem is that Steve's reach is 3m, Yu's anpr will not let him know that the opponent can place instant lava under his feet from 3m away when his arm lengh doesn't reach that far

 

[azontr]

Bro Steve survives an arrow to the brain even without regenerating and he doesn't bleed from it, how exactly would he bleed more in a vital place? Would pressure points even work or be hit correctly on the brick block that is Steve's body?

This is a game mechanic you can't exactly use, Minecraft just doesn't have blood in it it general so of course they aren't going to show Steve's brain matter and blood splattering everywhere he obviously bleeds and has blood vessels, he eats food to live ffs.

 

[Vzearr]

The problem is that Steve's reach is 3m, Yu's anpr will not let him know that the opponent can place instant lava under his feet from 3m away when his arm lengh doesn't reach that far

He has previous knowledge.

 

[Vzearr]

This is a game mechanic you can't exactly use, Minecraft just doesn't have blood in it it general so of course they aren't going to show Steve's brain matter and blood splattering everywhere he obviously bleeds and has blood vessels, he eats food to live ffs.

Me and Azontr agree. Is this real.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He has previous knowledge.

You mean prior knowledge? i didn't read that in the op?

But in the case you are refering to the fact that Yu won't fall for the same trick twice because he saw his range previously, i must remind that the argument is Steve may or may not start with that tactic from the get go because of his blood lusted nature

 

[Phoenks]

Yu's analytical prediction predicts where his opponents will hit him, Steve has to literally look at where he's gonna place the block of lava, giving Yu time to predict where he will place the lava. You do realise Yu has previous knowledge of him right?

Yu's analytical prediction predicts physical attacks, not ones that hit you out of thin air lmfao.

He would have to treat Steve's attacks as though they are projectiles. Because if Steve even looks at him, he can instantly hit him from a distance.

There is no reason for Yu to assume that Steve's attacks will hit him without physically contacting him, at least at the start.

Also, it's far more likely for him to assume that Steve is simply super fast, rather than for him to assume he has telekinesis or something. He's literally just a boxer.

And there's zero way he is predicting the lava bucket. That doesn't even make sense. How do you predict a dude just spawning a cubic meter of lava where you stand? He's a boxer!

 

[Vzearr]

You mean prior knowledge? i didn't read that in the op?

But in the case you are refering to the fact that Yu won't fall for the same trick twice because he saw his range previously, i must remind that the argument is Steve may or may not start with that tactic from the get go because of his blood lusted nature

It's SBA.

 

[azontr]

Me and Azontr agree. Is this real.

We don't actually, because for one Yu doesn't have prior knowledge and his analytical prediction only lets him trace physical movements, not instantaneous spawn attacks. He could predict Steve moving his hand to use the bucket, but not the fluid suddenly manifesting far away from the bucket itself. This is just not within Yu's skillset.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It's SBA.

Nono, the op made Steve blood lusted, check it

 

[Phoenks]

It's SBA.

Bro is making up standards?

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other.

Source

 

[Vzearr]

Yu's analytical prediction predicts physical attacks, not ones that hit you out of thin air lmfao.

He predicts them by analysing his opponents, do you not understand that looking in a specific place would lead to the conclusion that he's going to place a lava block there in Yu's mind.

There is no reason for Yu to assume that Steve's attacks will hit him without physically contacting him, at least at the start.

SBA gives him prior knowledge

And there's zero way he is predicting the lava bucket. That doesn't even make sense. How do you predict a dude just spawning a cubic meter of lava where you stand? He's a boxer!

SBA.

 

[IDK3465]

I know, but Yu can still whittle Steve down over time. Especially since apparently his regen only works super well if he's fed, based on the profile. If this is wrong do correct it, because it plays a vital role on whether or not Steve can lost as long as you say he can.

Yeah, that's actually a bit misleading, you see, there are two main levels to Steve's regen that aren't really discussed in the profile that really should be:

There's the regen Steve has, where his hunger bar isn't actively healing him (17 or fewer hunger points), where even in this state, Steve can recover from several arrows in his head without any noticeable injury

Then, there's the regen Steve has with a full hunger bar (18 or more hunger points), this is the one where Steve can regenerate from blows that otherwise can bypass his base regen, which should arguably make anything that can deal lasting damage to base Steve have regen neg and for Steve's full hunger bar to be layered regen, but eh, profiles suck

 

[EnderLord8]

I suppose the game mechanics work, but Steve's body is completely shaped like what Yu is used to fighting, so how would he even know that the pressure points he hits will be accurate?

 

[azontr]

It's SBA.

SBA only gives this.

The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge.

Just knowledge Yu can identify Steve with. Nothing he can use to know his abilities.

 

[Vzearr]

Okay, my bad, I haven't participated in vs matchups in a long time.

 

[Vzearr]

Yu still wins anyway, whats the evidence that a bloodlusted Steve would place down a lava bucket and not just bloody attack Yu.

 

[azontr]

I suppose the game mechanics work, but Steve's body is completely shaped like what Yu is used to fighting, so how would he even know that the pressure points he hits will be accurate?

He can accurately tell the strongest and weakest parts of an opponent's body just by looking at them, so he will inherently know where Steve's pressure points are. Yu also starts off with a major blitz amp in this scenario he can chain into basically any other attack to spam, so he has plenty of time to find out whether his strikes work or not.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He predicts them by analysing his opponents, do you not understand that looking in a specific place would lead to the conclusion that he's going to place a lava block there in Yu's mind.

Might be game mechanic but, Steve's eyes outright never moves, i don't think thats a factor, and even then, Yu can't predict invisible stuff, it's legit something he never saw even if he can look at Steve's eyes

 

[Vzearr]

Might be game mechanic but, Steve's eyes outright never moves, i don't think thats a factor, and even then, Yu can't predict invisible stuff, it's legit something he never saw even if he can look at Steve's eyes

His face moves.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

His face moves.

But face is not the same as eyes, and saying he can't predict something that is not natural would be NLF considering he never predicted invisible stuff ;-;

 

[Vzearr]

But face is not the same as eyes, and saying he can't predict something that is not natural would be NLF ;-;

His eyes not moving is game mechanics, I just looked into it, anywho, his face moving would inherently be his eyes moving.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Okay, my bad, I haven't participated in vs matchups in a long time.

then leave.


Sorry, I'm joking

 

[Vzearr]

then leave.


I'm joking

Stupid monkey who doesn't even know jujutsu.

That's what this reminded me of.

 

[IDK3465]

While I agree that Steve not bleeding is just an art style choice, he can still take out arrows from his scalp without any external healing methods and be fine, that's something directly programmed into the game that Steve can do, he can canonically just regenerate passively

 

[XxZetsuxX]

His eyes not moving is game mechanics, I just looked into it, anywho, his face moving would inherently be his eyes moving.

My point still stands though, even if that is the case, how would his anpr work against something he has never showned to predict? That's a big NFL

Though, he will once he witnesses the first attempt (assuming Steve does indeed not start with lava)

 

[Phoenks]

He predicts them by analysing his opponents, do you not understand that looking in a specific place would lead to the conclusion that he's going to place a lava block there in Yu's mind.

Ah yeah he's gonna somehow predict that Steve, just vaguely 'looking' in a certain direction (His eyes are not real eyes in the first place), can spawn damage on him, and can spawn a cubic meter of lava on him.

Yu is skilled but he's not omniscient my man. He'd have to predict where Steve even looks, because if he looks at Yu he can hit him from a distance Yu can't hit back. He can't even counter, and if he blocks he still takes significant damage.

Then factor in lava, water, blocks, and regeneration.

 

[Vzearr]

My point still stands though, even if that is the case, how would his anpr work against something he has never showned to predict? That's a big NFL

Though, he will once he witnesses the first attempt (assuming Steve does indeed not start with lava)

How do you think Yu predicts his opponents moves?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Stupid monkey who doesn't even know jujutsu.

That's what this reminded me of.

nah, I watched jujutsu kaisen s1 what you mean?

And if you mean RL, :

 

[XxZetsuxX]

How do you think Yu predicts his opponents moves?

Body movement along with other stuff, but tell me how is he gonna predict a guy who can magically spawn lava under his feet from 3 meters away

 

[Vzearr]

Ah yeah he's gonna somehow predict that Steve, just vaguely 'looking' in a certain direction (His eyes are not real eyes in the first place), can spawn damage on him, and can spawn a cubic meter of lava on him.

Ah yes, the presupposition that a bloodlusted Steve will think so logically that he realises he should place a lava block and not just go straight for him when he has no prior knowledge of Yu's capabilities. Yes, that makes total sense.

 

[EnderLord8]

He can accurately tell the strongest and weakest parts of an opponent's body just by looking at them, so he will inherently know where Steve's pressure points are.

I'll stop you right there, to do this on opponents beyond the standard human requires talents for this, Steve's body is different enough that talents beyond the standard human pressure points are required.

So has he ever done this to anything other than a regular human, or does this extend to non-standard creatures?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ah yes, the presupposition that a bloodlusted Steve will think so logically that he realises he should place a lava block and not just go straight for him when he has no prior knowledge of Yu's capabilities. Yes, that makes total sense.

Blood lust makes you go for your strongest option to defeat the opponent from the get go

 

[azontr]

Hypothetically, Yu could figure out where Steve is aiming via analyzing his gaze, but the attack simply spawning out of nowhere would still be unruly for Yu to dodge even if he can potentially approximate where Steve is going to spawn it. To begin with, he doesn't know that Steve is going to spawn sh*t out of nowhere off-rip, so even using this method he wouldn't be able to predict properly first try, and Yu needs those first tries to have a fighting chance.

There's the regen Steve has, where his hunger bar isn't actively healing him (17 or fewer hunger points), where even in this state, Steve can recover from several arrows in his head without any noticeable injury

Then, there's the regen Steve has with a full hunger bar (18 or more hunger points), this is the one where Steve can regenerate from blows that otherwise can bypass his base regen, which should arguably make anything that can deal lasting damage to base Steve have regen neg and for Steve's full hunger bar to be layered regen, but eh, profiles suck

Okay, well that's more so just enhanced regen, but the specific label doesn't matter. Still very useful, but he needs to be careful about how he uses his food for regen-tanking to be an option in the long term.

While I agree that Steve not bleeding is just an art style choice, he can still take out arrows from his scalp without any external healing methods and be fine, that's something directly programmed into the game that Steve can do, he can canonically just regenerate passively

"Be fine" doesn't mean he doesn't bleed out, and we don't know exactly how quickly his wounds regenerate since we can't actively see him repairing wounds, so how long this would take before he loses a significant amount of blood is unquantifiable. He probably won't bleed out but it's still something Yu can do to exacerbate him short-term, which would make it easier to avoid Steve's attacks.

 

[Vzearr]

nah, I watched jujutsu kaisen s1 what you mean?

Sorry, that sounded kinda rude, forgive me.

Body movement along with other stuff, but tell me how is he gonna predict a guy who can magically spawn lava under his feet from 3 meters away

Why are we presupposing that a bloodlusted Steve would place lava under him?

Steve is in his own verse, he doesn't know how Yu fights, all he knows is how he looks, why would he decide that placing a block of lava is the most logical thing to do when Yu could do the same.

 

[Phoenks]

Ah yes, the presupposition that a bloodlusted Steve will think so logically that he realises he should place a lava block and not just go straight for him when he has no prior knowledge of Yu's capabilities. Yes, that makes total sense.

??

Why wouldn't a bloodlusted Steve use the strongest item in his inventory?

It's like... 1 of 3 things that he has to deal damage btw.

Are you seriously comparing this to your argument about Yu predicting telekinetic attacks despite only having fought normal ass, albeit skilled boxers?

 

[Vzearr]

Blood lust makes you go for your strongest option to defeat the opponent from the get go

He doesn't KNOW his strongest option when it's against someone you DON'T know.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He doesn't KNOW his strongest option when it's against someone you DON'T know.

Sorry, that sounded kinda rude, forgive me.

Why are we presupposing that a bloodlusted Steve would place lava under him?

Steve is in his own verse, he doesn't know how Yu fights, all he knows is how he looks, why would he decide that placing a block of lava is the most logical thing to do when Yu could do the same.

That's not how it works...