Sung Jin-Woo vs Dread Emperor (1-7-0) (GRACE)

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Rules:

• Epilogue Jin-Woo
• Speed equalized
• Starting distance of 100 meters
• Fight takes place in Seoul
• In-character

Shadow Monarch: 1 (LloydBlitzed)
Dread Emperor: 7 (Mr. Bambu, XSOULOFCINDERX, DarkSoul20189, Harith0cell, ShadowSlash125, Lou_Change, AThe1412)
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Phoenks]

That is a lot of text...

This is a D&D character so ngl I am just gonna assume they stomp lmao

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Jin Woo pulls Stealth + Agility + Outskilling = GGs

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Jin Woo pulls Stealth + Agility + Outskilling = GGs

The stealth part won't work...

Extrasensory Perception (True seeing allows him to see the truth in all things- examples include seeing a shapeshifter's true form, being immune to illusions or warped perceptions, and seeing invisible foes)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The stealth part won't work...

Can still use Dash which increase his speed by 40% and land the first blow

 

[Robo432343]

(Arcane spellcasters function by manipulating The Weave, a multiverse-spanning structure, that allows them to achieve their spells and magical effects)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Can still use Dash which increase his speed by 40% and land the first blow

Never argued for or against anything regarding speed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Never argued for or against anything regarding speed.

Im just citing a counter to the ESP issue

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So, we're talking about speed amps?

Statistics Amplification (Haste doubles his speed)

Can double his speed.

Statistics Reduction, Homing Attack (His finger darts strike unerringly and reduce the targets dexterity, affecting things like speed),

It can also reduce Jin Woo's speed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

So, we're talking about speed amps?

Can double his speed.


It can also reduce Jin Woo's speed.

How is this gonna work when Jin Woo can dodge the darts via superior speed? Not to count Jin Woo can reduce bro's stats by 50% + Inflict Fear hax with Intimidation

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

How is this gonna work when Jin Woo can dodge the darts via superior speed?

You have lost me....

First of all, you can't "dodge" homing attacks...

Second of all, the speed is equalized so yeah...

Speed equalized

Third of all, Dread has better speed amps...

Not to count Jin Woo can reduce bro's stats by 50% + Inflict Fear hax with Intimidation

I don't see what this have to do with speed, so I won't comment on it, and instead wait for the main supporters (if they even have time for this)...

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

means nothing spells are not 4D hax.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You have lost me....

First of all, you can't "dodge" homing attacks...

Then he'll just block them off? Pretty sure Jin Woo has experience with countering people throwing multiple attacks at once at him, hence one of the reasons I mentionned outskilling before. And besides that, he can use his shadows to block off the homing attacks

Second of all, the speed is equalized so yeah...

Equal Speed doesn't equalize stated numerical Speed amps if this is the route ur trying to argue

Third of all, Dread has better speed amps...

When I said his stats would get decreased, I meant that his Speed AND AP are gonna be reduced by 50%, which makes the amp almost useless, on top of inducing fear hax. On top of that, he doesn't resists the effects of Poison Fang of Kasaka, which would paralyze him and poison him to death once Jin Woo cuts him once. Oh and how does he deal with being jumped by an army of Shadow soldiers, as its also a starting move for him?

I don't see what this have to do with speed, so I won't comment on it, and instead wait for the main supporters (if they even have time for this)...

Read his notable attacks/standard tactic

he will then activate 'Intimidation' to induce 'Fear' and decrease the opponent's stats by 50%.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Then he'll just block them off? Pretty sure Jin Woo has experience with countering people throwing multiple attacks at once at him, hence one of the reasons I mentionned outskilling before. And besides that, he can use his shadows to block off the homing attacks

Fully possible, what I am arguing for is simply that "dodging" won't work.

Equal Speed doesn't equalize stated numerical Speed amps if this is the route ur trying to argue

Nor did I claim it.

When I said his stats would get decreased, I meant that his Speed AND AP are gonna be reduced by 50%, which makes the amp almost useless, on top of inducing fear hax. On top of that, he doesn't resists the of Poison Fang of Kasaka, which would paralyze him and poison him to death once Jin Woo cuts him once. Oh and how does he deal with being jumped by an army of Shadow soldiers, as its also a starting move for him?

Again, I am not here to debate hax or who wins; I simply came here to point out why your first argument was flawed.

I don't know DnD characters enough to say what they resist and what they don't, we have to wait for @Mr. Bambu for that, or another of the main supporters.

But sure, I can do some work. Here we have Resistance for ALL DnD characters, and it gets better, they are all layered.

• Dungeons & Dragons (50-94 layers)

Read his notable attacks/standard tactic

As mentioned above, I didn't comment on it since it had nothing to do with what I was ""debating""

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

You have lost me....

First of all, you can't "dodge" homing attacks...

You can. Just make them hit something else

Second of all, the speed is equalized so yeah...

That doesn’t count for amps

Third of all, Dread has better speed amps...

No comment

I don't see what this have to do with speed, so I won't comment on it, and instead wait for the main supporters (if they even have time for this)...

It reduces things like speed,stamina and every other stat.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Idrc about this matchup ngl. But jinwoo negging once my thread is done

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[Lloydblitzed]

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The fight Dread Emperor would actually be fighting:

 

[Qawsedf234]

means nothing spells are not 4D hax.

Spells in D&D work off manipulating higher dimensions that the user can't perceive or manipulating a construct that controls magic. Magic in D&D can also affect multi-planer creatures who exist in multiple realities at once. So there is an argument for the Dread Lord having 4D range, but not potency.

For hax resistance, I don't know of a power that a D&D doesn't have some form of resistance to and the Dread Lord would be decently deep in the resistance chain.

 

[Phoenks]

Like I said

This is a D&D character so ngl I am just gonna assume they stomp lmao

Those guys always in some giant chain of resistance bypassing hax with tons of layers and also somehow, someway have smurf abilities.

I ain't making a single argument until someone who knows about this guy comments here

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I ain't making a single argument until someone who knows about this guy comments here

So we are waiting for @Mr. Bambu ?

 

[Lou_change]

Could anyone come up with an estimation of how much dex the light novel character has in dnd terms (3e does not have a cap like 5e)? Also this involves an anime character I don't think Mr. Bambu is coming.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't care about the match.

Spells in D&D work off manipulating higher dimensions that the user can't perceive or manipulating a construct that controls magic. Magic in D&D can also affect multi-planer creatures who exist in multiple realities at once. So there is an argument for the Dread Lord having 4D range, but not potency.

For hax resistance, I don't know of a power that a D&D doesn't have some form of resistance to and the Dread Lord would be decently deep in the resistance chain.

Mostly true. 6-C is the sort of nebulous territory where epic level magic allows spells to threaten deities, per the Tome of Magic, but Dread Emperor isn't explicitly an Epic Spellcaster iirc so it's vague as to whether that would apply to him (we would assume it would if he were Low 6-B).

Regardless. Dread Emperor is still quite high in the scaling chain, as mentioned, and nobody has mentioned much in terms of overcoming resistance, so at present I interpret this as functionally raw stats vs abilities. I don't have access to the book at present, nor do I recall if it mentioned specific strategies (aside from child sacrifice). But so many of his spells would instantly win, if he led with them- so failing that particular stated strategy, and failing a greater scaling chain of resistance for his opponent, Dread Emperor likely wins just by right of probability. 100 meters range gives him a ton of leeway here.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I don't have access to the book at present, nor do I recall if it mentioned specific strategies (aside from child sacrifice). But so many of his spells would instantly win,

How exactly would he counter EE from Jin Woo's Shadows?

Breath Attack, Fire Manipulation, Existence Erasure (Can fire beams capable of utterly erasing beings from existence)

if he led with them- so failing that particular stated strategy, and failing a greater scaling chain of resistance for his opponent, Dread Emperor likely wins just by right of probability. 100 meters range gives him a ton of leeway here.

That distance would also easily allow Jin Woo to overpower him via Ruler's Authority, which scales higher than Dread's LS

Class T with Ruler's Authority (Pushed away blizzard that covered Seoul)

Lifting Strength: Class 1 (Can push up to almost 600 kg), higher via magic

Given that he can sense his opponents power level, he wouldn't risk playing around with a stronger opponent (Dread is 7x stronger than Jin Woo).

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

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Just a second reminder that This guy has far higher reaction speed numerically. The difference is in that Relativistic+ To FTL+ so there's that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How exactly would he counter EE from Jin Woo's Shadows?

The Spell Destruction erases someone's mind, body and soul. Requiring a Deity or Reality Warping power to return.

The Dread Emperor is high enough level wise to scale to the spell, which would let him resist it at the cost of taking damage. His shield would also be able to bounce the attack back if needed.

That distance would also easily allow Jin Woo to overpower him via Ruler's Authority, which scales higher than Dread's LS

The Dread Emperor does have a baseline telekinesis resistance, but spells like "Dispel" for example would let him negate the power or something like Wish to mimic Ethereal Jaunt which would make him intangible.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

How exactly would he counter EE from Jin Woo's Shadows?

If these are beams. Hes just dodging

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If these are beams. Hes just dodging

Jin Woo outranges

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Jin Woo outranges

Bro has Teleportation . Btw apparently he has a one shot Death Manip spell so that's cool

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The Spell Destruction erases someone's mind, body and soul. Requiring a Deity or Reality Warping power to return.

The Dread Emperor is high enough level wise to scale to the spell, which would let him resist it at the cost of taking damage. His shield would also be able to bounce the attack back if needed.

Jin Woo can reduce the damage taken from Dread Emperor

Damage Reduction (Has a passive physical damage reduction of 46%. When his health drops below 30%, all damage he takes is further reduced by 50%)

Which is even more massively enhanced since its epilogue Jin Woo

Greater Damage Reduction (Has a passive physical damage reduction of 65% and magic damage reduction of 44%)

The Dread Emperor does have a baseline telekinesis resistance,

Meh, Ruler's authority is heavily dependent on LS from what I've seen

but spells like "Dispel" for example would let him negate the power

Assuming he would survive being crushed to death and immobilized by then. His shadows also have density manip which can forcefully make him heavier and slow down Dread by a lot

Density Manipulation (Can become lighter or heavier at will, affecting its speed and strength)

or something like Wish to mimic Ethereal Jaunt which would make him intangible.

Jin Woo has NPI

Bro has Teleportation . Btw apparently he has a one shot Death Manip spell so that's cool

He can close distance and BFR him

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

He can close distance and BFR him

Portal Creation (Gate permits him to open a large portal to any plane of existence of his choosing)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Dread Emperor resists practically all of these stated effects. Dark_Soul gave the resistances above, I believe. I don't really want to debate, I'm just a knowledge source.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well my point about LS Crush and Density Manip stands

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Dread Emperor resists practically all of these stated effects. Dark_Soul gave the resistances above, I believe. I don't really want to debate, I'm just a knowledge source.

He doesn't resist Ruler's Authority nor the Density stuff I cited as wincoins, and I forgot Jin Woo can power null him too

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Well my point about LS Crush and Density Manip stands

Density Manipulation?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Dread had quite a lot of wincons based on what I'm seeing ngl

 

[Mr. Bambu]

He doesn't resist Ruler's Authority nor the Density stuff I cited as wincoins, and I forgot Jin Woo can power null him too

I don't know Ruler's Authority is but I seem to recall him resisting Density Manip, and he definitely resists Power Null.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Density Manipulation?

Read my reply above the Portal thing you said

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I don't know Ruler's Authority

LS based telekinesis Jin Woo use to crush people

is but I seem to recall him resisting Density Manip,

Never mentionned in either his profile or the resistance page

and he definitely resists Power Null.

Same as what I said above

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Assuming he would survive being crushed to death and immobilized by then. His shadows also have density manip which can forcefully make him heavier and slow down Dread by a lot

Interesting. Is it like an induced power? If they have to catch him, It'll be pretty difficult catching somebody with far higher reaction speed numerically