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Punishing: Gray Raven Discussion Tread

All things considered, our verse is lowkey kinda limited in actual relevant combatants. Our mid tiers our all L6B and yet...our next tier right after L6B is currently 2A which...I don't even have to explain how ridiculous of a gap that is. 99% of future profiles are also only going to scale to the current L6B unless we get more calcs, which I am working on rn.
Nah, actually it’s good that not all the characters have a really high Tier. I’m just waiting for Parhelion Ishmael and Nanami.
Another thing that matters to me is adding more abilities as well as the Resistance section to Ishmael’s profile, Which will happen over time
 
Nah, actually it’s good that not all the characters have a really high Tier. I’m just waiting for Parhelion Ishmael and Nanami.
Another thing that matters to me is adding more abilities as well as the Resistance section to Ishmael’s profile, Which will happen over time
I mean yeah it's a good thing but it's also like...kinda weird to look at the page detailing the scaling order and then see that the verse goes from not even planetary at the moment to just possibly 1B.
 
I mean yeah it's a good thing but it's also like...kinda weird to look at the page detailing the scaling order and then see that the verse goes from not even planetary at the moment to just possibly 1B.
For someone who hasn’t read the story, or hasn’t looked at PGR scaling, yeah, it seems strange.
But as long as it doesn’t create contradictions and is approved, it’s not really strange.
 
For someone who hasn’t read the story, or hasn’t looked at PGR scaling, yeah, it seems strange.
But as long as it doesn’t create contradictions and is approved, it’s not really strange.
Yeah for people who haven't read the story it probably makes literally no sense, I mean every chapter up until 20 was just at most L6B characters but 21 introduces all this stuff lol.
 
I feel like PGR is still underrated, and I’d prefer it to stay that way, otherwise it might suffer the same fate as Honkai...

They reached Tier Low 1-A, then moved up to 1-A+, and after that kept getting downgraded until they ended up at 1-B.
 
I feel like PGR is still underrated, and I’d prefer it to stay that way, otherwise it might suffer the same fate as Honkai...

They reached Tier Low 1-A, then moved up to 1-A+, and after that kept getting downgraded until they ended up at 1-B.
I mean honkai had it's own issues and concerns, the most important thing is just actually applying feats for tiering. And well...good arguments.
 
Can we count on the Observer being Low 1-A? And have hope for that?
Because look, yesterday we were discussing 1-B, but indirectly it was leading to Low 1-A 😭😭
I think getting it to Low 1-A is much easier than 1-B.
 
I think getting it to Low 1-A is much easier than 1-B.
Unironically might be true, but I'm not looking to get the verse to anything that it doesn't have proof being at. Also, because of our possibly rating at the moment any future ratings we get (even L1A hypothetically) are also going to have a possibly rating attached to them. So our first order of business is to actually get a strict rating, but I'm not gonna be making a CRT like that anytime soon, maybe at the end of the year or start of next year or smth.
 
Unironically might be true, but I'm not looking to get the verse to anything that it doesn't have proof being at. Also, because of our possibly rating at the moment any future ratings we get (even L1A hypothetically) are also going to have a possibly rating attached to them. So our first order of business is to actually get a strict rating, but I'm not gonna be making a CRT like that anytime soon, maybe at the end of the year or start of next year or smth.
You're doing the right thing, because if PGR suddenly gets upgraded, everyone might become suspicious or even take a defensive stance.
So it's better to wait and focus on adding other characters, as well as abilities and minor details.
 
Can these two scans be used as support? For 5D Hetero Tower...

Spatial dimension (4D) + Temporal dimension (1D) = 5D??
 
 
Most true supporter of the verse.
There’s something that’s been on my mind for a while… this is about the narrative, not power scaling.
I want to share my perspective:
I think Parhelion Ishmael and also the Primal Projection act as "gatekeepers"

And the Observer, being on a higher dimension, is actually the "rule maker", right?

 
There’s something that’s been on my mind for a while… this is about the narrative, not power scaling.
I want to share my perspective:
I think Parhelion Ishmael and also the Primal Projection act as "gatekeepers"
Yes.
And the Observer, being on a higher dimension, is actually the "rule maker", right?
Depends on what you mean, there is more than 1 Observer.
Can I interpret it this way: that the Rule maker is actually Ishmael’s true form, which has descended into the lower dimensions?
That's not what it is, you'll see as you read more.
 
Yes.

Depends on what you mean, there is more than 1 Observer.

That's not what it is, you'll see as you read more.
My last comment was wrong.

My final word:
Primal Projection and Parhelion Ishmael are "gatekeepers."
And his true form, which exists in higher dimensions, is a "rule maker."
One of the "rule makers."
Is that correct?
 
My last comment was wrong.

My final word:
Primal Projection and Parhelion Ishmael are "gatekeepers."
And his true form, which exists in higher dimensions, is a "rule maker."
One of the "rule makers."
Is that correct?
Not entirely, you'll see.
 
you sure?
In this same chapter 33?

So who are these rule makers... it’s been really on my mind.
Yeah you'll see in this same chapter, it's explained in a few nodes from where you're at right now. If I'm not mistaken, you're at the part where Ishmael saves SKK after he tries to jump off the building in Aerospace city to go and lessen the effects of Agent Zero's authority right? Ishmael is explaining the civilization that Dominik and Nemo came from?
 
Can’t you just give me the answer yourself?
I’ll get restless until tonight, when the situation is right for me to read the story.
I rather not spoil things in this thread for those that are in the process of reading and/or catching up with the story. I can tell you in dms if you're that curious.
 
Is the space behind the Gate completely superior compared to the Gate?
I mean dimensional superiority.
Stellar Sea > Beyond Gate > Gate
Do all of them have dimensional superiority over each other?
Although it doesn’t really matter, since all of them are Tier 1-B anyway.
 
Since fog is outside time and also outside space and time, should Vonnegut and Lucia be ineligible for HDE Type 1?
Can’t an argument be made about this?
 
Since fog is outside time and also outside space and time, should Vonnegut and Lucia be ineligible for HDE Type 1?
Can’t an argument be made about this?
No, reaching a higher dimensional realm/realm existing outside space and time as a lower dimensional character does not by default give you HDE. That's just a range feat, also Lucia only enters it because Vonnegut BFR's her there, he's the only one with actual access to it aside from Cradle with the core & Agent Zero's authority.
 
No, reaching a higher dimensional realm/realm existing outside space and time as a lower dimensional character does not by default give you HDE. That's just a range feat, also Lucia only enters it because Vonnegut BFR's her there, he's the only one with actual access to it aside from Cradle with the core & Agent Zero's authority.
I’m really sorry. I mistakenly wrote HDE instead of BDE.
Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)
What I meant was that since fog is outside space and time, it might qualify as BDE Type 1
 
I’m really sorry. I mistakenly wrote HDE instead of BDE.

What I meant was that since fog is outside space and time, it might qualify as BDE Type 1
No worries, I tried getting it accepted as type 1 BDE but a staff disagreed because it's stated to be a "realm" or something along those lines. Since BDE is not about being outside time and space but having no spatial or temporal qualities.
 
In the background of Chapter 36, Lee and Lucia had an Omega Fram, Is it possible that they actually received an Omega Frame?
It can’t be judged for now, I’ll have to read it
 
This page of the website has become much more diverse and better, great job
Are characters like Commandant, Nanami, and Chaos also going to be add?
By the way, the Commandant in the form of the Observer should also be added in the future, and I think a SPOILER warning text should be placed on this page just in case.
 
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