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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

OjeTheArcher15 said:
So not equal then
Mentality can make people weaker than they're meant to be (Megumi)
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They were equal in stats but her mentality held her back from seeing what Toji saw. So while she did grow stronger as a fighter with her second awakening it wasn't in stats
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
No evidence of that she was equal in stats to Toji before the Curseya fight
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There's also this statemant that's as blatant as possible about it but I have zero clue where it's from
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Aura scaling in 2025
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Yea dude I'm sure Gege meant absolutely nothing when he put a side by side comparasion of Toji and Maki
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Nothing in the second scan proves anything about them having the same stats
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"The Zenin clan exists because of Toji's whims! You must have realised it too! Right now Maki has become exactly the same as him"
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Fair on the last scan but the mentality (worse case scenario she remains where she is, doesn't affect the special grades)
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Like I said earlier the change in mentality just didn't effect her stats, only her senses. Also I don't know why everyone has this hate boner for Maki with not wanting to put her on par with the other heavy hitters
 
Giannysmag said:
Yea dude I'm sure Gege meant absolutely nothing when he put a side by side comparasion of Toji and Maki
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I mean comparison wouldn't mean they're equal
Giannysmag said:
"The Zenin clan exists because of Toji's whims! You must have realised it too! Right now Maki has become exactly the same as him"
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Fairs
Giannysmag said:
Like I said earlier the change in mentality just didn't effect her stats, only her senses. Also I don't know why everyone has this hate boner for Maki with not wanting to put her on par with the other heavy hitters
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That's why it's worse case scenario but she's not on par with the heavy hitters if she's getting blitzed by someone who was scared of even fighting Yuta
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Sad to say this is 100% calc stacking tho (It's literally using a calced speed to calc something) so no Mach 3+ Yuta...
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What about what the user put from the calcstack section?
Note: This would not fall under the qualifications for Calc-Stacking as the speed calc is taken from only 1 panel after this one is taken, its not like the attack speed would suddenly be higher/lower in the same fight unless stated so.
 
Arkenis said:
What about what the user put from the calcstack section?
Note: This would not fall under the qualifications for Calc-Stacking as the speed calc is taken from only 1 panel after this one is taken, its not like the attack speed would suddenly be higher/lower in the same fight unless stated so.
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I'd say that's a huge stretch, ngl.
I personally feel it's fine but, from what I can see from calc stacking, it'd be like us using the calced speed for piercing blood (Mach 1.57) instead of the Baseline Supersonic Metric (Mach 1.1) for the Sukuna blitz.
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Aura scaling in 2025

Nothing in the second scan proves anything about them having the same stats

Fair on the last scan but the mentality (worse case scenario she remains where she is, doesn't affect the special grades)
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maki physically can't be weaker due to mentality, she's not a sorcerer, her body is just at (X) level of strength
 
OjeTheArcher15 said:
Toji can get stronger by Explaining his heavenly restriction (a sorcerer shit)
It won't be insane to assume mentality affects strength
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Binding Vows are never actually said to be exclusive to sorcerers. In fact, there's actually no reason you'd need cursed energy to use one. It's just saying "I give up (X), and therefore I get (Y)".

I don't see how mentality would effect stats at all
 
I imagine a person with Toji and Maki's innate vow wouldn't have a hard-set level of power, because that implies Toji would be very stagnant throughout his life and that doesn't make much sense with what we do know. Plus, their bodies can overwrite others' souls, so there's seemingly a vague metaphysical aspect there. With that in mind, I don't think their strength would be comparatively rigid and set just because their strength mostly lies in physicality. And ofc Toji used a binding vow so while they may have a different kind of strength, they're seemingly under the same overarching system
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I imagine a person with Toji and Maki's innate vow wouldn't have a hard-set level of power, because that implies Toji would be very stagnant throughout his life and that doesn't make much sense with what we do know. Plus, their bodies can overwrite others' souls, so there's seemingly a vague metaphysical aspect there. With that in mind, I don't think their strength would be comparatively rigid and set just because their strength mostly lies in physicality. And ofc Toji used a binding vow so while they may have a different kind of strength, they're seemingly under the same overarching system
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The thing is, HRs aren't born with 0 cursed energy, or "awakened" (and Toji is no exception to this. It's never said he was BORN with 0 cursed energy, just that he has none, as an adult). They would also still have to physically develop as they age and such, but beyond that, they're basically just Humanx1500. Their mentality would effect how much of their strength they're willing to use, but their physical strength shouldn't actually be altered.

HRs are under the same overaching system. It's not the "sorcery system" it's just how the world of JJK works. Sorcery is just the most prominent thing in this world.
 
Rogue_Forge said:
hold up

If Meguna was at 10% output than Yuji would downscale 10x lower than him from doing this

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And with the new buffs to 15/16 Finger Sukuna wouldn't that mean Yuji would be at 739 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level+)?
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No body gave me an answer on this yet, would this work or nah
 
Rogue_Forge said:
hold up

If Meguna was at 10% output than Yuji would downscale 10x lower than him from doing this

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And with the new buffs to 15/16 Finger Sukuna wouldn't that mean Yuji would be at 739 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level+)?
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"10% Meguna" isn't really what happens in this instance

He's generally weaker, but Megumi's suppression (and therefore Sukuna's drop of output) is at its highest when Sukuna tries to hit Yuji or Maki with his cursed technique. It's only when he uses his cursed technique that his output gets gutted to below 10%.

Sukuna also states the suppression fluctuates. The part of this that says Sukuna is "unhindered physically" isn't referring to stats, it's referring to control of the body. As in, Megumi can't do what Geto's body did at Shibuya and partially control it. At max suppression he can only make the hand twitch.
 
Axxtentacle said:
He's generally weaker, but Megumi's suppression (and therefore Sukuna's drop of output) is at its highest when Sukuna tries to hit Yuji or Maki with his cursed technique. It's only when he uses his cursed technique that his output gets gutted to below 10%.
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This interpretation was refused ages ago in a CRT due how it would ruin every scaling chain
 
Axxtentacle said:
"10% Meguna" isn't really what happens in this instance

He's generally weaker, but Megumi's suppression (and therefore Sukuna's drop of output) is at its highest when Sukuna tries to hit Yuji or Maki with his cursed technique. It's only when he uses his cursed technique that his output gets gutted to below 10%.

Sukuna also states the suppression fluctuates. The part of this that says Sukuna is "unhindered physically" isn't referring to stats, it's referring to control of the body. As in, Megumi can't do what Geto's body did at Shibuya and partially control it. At max suppression he can only make the hand twitch.
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At its lowest his output was 10% so he would have to have survived at least 10% output
 
He says "under 10%" if it was significantly lower than 10% like 5 or 6 percent he would have said so
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Yuji is currently at 130 tons of TNT

With this he would be at ~700 range
 
Axxtentacle said:
it ruining scaling chains doesn't make it wrong, it would mean the scaling chains are shit
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no, the raws also change it completly. I'm lazy to find it tho. M3X asked everyone in this thread what everyone thought about the feat back then

"Only the CT got weaker" means

  • that Itadori and Maki could keep up with 15/16F Sukuna who can speedblitz Ryu
    • Which means that both can stomp Yuta in a second, which does not make sense at all
  • That dismantle can damage Itadori and Maki, who can keep up with Sukuna, despiste being 10x weaker than the normal
    • Which means Ryu could tank a point blank dismantle, making him 10x stronger than Sukuna's body
    • Making Ryu 10x stronger would make Yuta 10x stronger

And so on, there's so much bullshit. I can try to find the thread and comments later on, along side the translations
 
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
no, the raws also change it completly. I'm lazy to find it tho. M3X asked everyone in this thread what everyone thought about the feat

"Only the CT got weaker" means

  • that Itadori and Maki could keep up with 15/16F Sukuna who can speedblitz Ryu
    • Which means that both can stomp Yuta in a second, which does not make sense at all
  • That dismantle can damage Itadori and Maki, who can keep up with Sukuna, despiste being 10x weaker than the normal
    • Which means Ryu could tank a point blank dismantle, making him 10x stronger than Sukuna's body
    • Making Ryu 10x stronger would make Yuta 10x stronger

And so on, there's so much bullshit. I can try to find the thread and comments later on, along side the translations
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...my interpretation is not "Only the CT got weaker". Nowhere in my post do I even imply that. My interpretation is "Sukuna is nerfed to an unquantifiable but notable extent, and when he attempts to use his Cursed Technique, he gets nerfed significantly more".

I don't get how people always think it has to be "he was nerfed below 10% in general" or "only his CT was nerfed". It's not that black and white.
 
Part of why I believe that interpretation, is what Sukuna chooses to do while saying "When I hurt his friends, my cursed technique gets REALLY nerfed". He says this then uses his technique on the floor and punches Maki. That implies that punching would be more effective in this scenario than using his cursed technique on her, which is pretty consistent with my interpretation.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
no, the raws also change it completly. I'm lazy to find it tho. M3X asked everyone in this thread what everyone thought about the feat

"Only the CT got weaker" means

  • that Itadori and Maki could keep up with 15/16F Sukuna who can speedblitz Ryu
    • Which means that both can stomp Yuta in a second, which does not make sense at all
  • That dismantle can damage Itadori and Maki, who can keep up with Sukuna, despiste being 10x weaker than the normal
    • Which means Ryu could tank a point blank dismantle, making him 10x stronger than Sukuna's body
    • Making Ryu 10x stronger would make Yuta 10x stronger

And so on, there's so much bullshit. I can try to find the thread and comments later on, along side the translations
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Quick question but wasn't Ryu still exhausted after the fight with Yuta when he fought Sukuna?
 
I'm tryna calculate Sukuna vaporizing the clouds in Shibuya with his fuga in the anime but I don't quite know how to do so since the clouds are pretty irregularly shaped when we see them and already getting blown away. Also the whole calc is probably going to hell (the lowest result is 700 megatons)
 
MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden said:
peak writing

this is genuinely one of my pet peeves about these kinda tropes tho


i genuinely hope gege comes up with an explanation for why the distant alien species completely unrelated to humans can suddenly speak human language, unless thet just uploaded it into their brains or smth

actually would their different physiology make it so the CT mechanics are different for them?

this is quite interesting ngl
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I'd say give the manga like ten or fifteen chapters

but if Gege locks in for writing the aliens could have some interesting stuff since they seem to be all in with CT's n shit since the only people that are "like them" are Jujutsu Sorcerers which have modified brains Iirc
 
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