Jujutsu Kaisen: Inverse Scaling Revisions

[ElJoaki5]

Gojo, Toji and Maki upgrade
Awakened Teen Gojo, Toji and Maki should be Town level.

Awakened Teen Gojo became a Special Grade sorcerer. Special Grade sorcerers scale to Mechamaru's two year charge due to it being stated to reach Special Grade levels of output. He also becomes the strongest after awakening, which would put him above the other sorcerers at that time, such as Yuki.

Toji was fine after taking an attack from Awakened Teen Gojo and is comparable to Maki.

Maki fought a Sukuna stronger than the one Yuji and Yuta fought (Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting later on. She is also comparable to Toji and is narratively comparable to other characters such as Yuta and Hakari.

So they should all be Town level (Ap, dura and striking)

MBA Kashimo speed upgrade
Base Kashimo is Supersonic with Supersonic+ reactions. Base Kashimo fought against a weakened Sukuna capable of reacting and stopping his attack but once he transformed into his Mythic Beast Amber form he blitzes this Sukuna. Therefore, MBA Kashimo should scale to the reaction speed of his base form in combat speed and be Supersonic+.

 

[Nami_Kami]

106 victims ( agree )

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Gojo, Toji and Maki upgrade
Awakened Teen Gojo, Toji and Maki should be Town level.

I was lietally planning on doing this, easy agree

MBA Kashimo speed upgrade
Therefore, MBA Kashimo should scale to the reaction speed of his base form in combat speed and be Supersonic+.

Hmm. i agree. for now

 

[Lilybitdun]

Seems reasonable at a glance, agree

 

[LIGHTYW]

COMPLETELY AGREES, MBA KASHIMO SHOULD BE FTL BUT FOR NOW, HE SHOULD DEF BE UPSCALED

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

COMPLETELY AGREES, MBA KASHIMO SHOULD BE FTL BUT FOR NOW, HE SHOULD DEF BE UPSCALED

Rela at best

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Maki fought a Sukuna stronger than the one Yuji and Yuta fought (Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting after that.

She got blitzed and one-shot the moment he locked in.

 

[Treeztarz]

Gojo, Toji and Maki upgrade
Awakened Teen Gojo, Toji and Maki should be Town level.

Awakened Teen Gojo became a Special Grade sorcerer. Special Grade sorcerers scale to Mechamaru's two year charge due to it being stated to reach Special Grade levels of output. He also becomes the strongest after awakening, which would put him above the other sorcerers at that time, such as Yuki.

Toji was fine after taking an attack from Awakened Teen Gojo and is comparable to Maki.

Maki fought a Sukuna stronger than the one Yuji and Yuta fought (Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting after that. She is also comparable to Toji and is narratively comparable to other characters such as Yuta and Hakari.

So they should all be Town level (Ap, dura and striking)

MBA Kashimo speed upgrade
Base Kashimo is Supersonic with Supersonic+ reactions. Base Kashimo fought against a weakened Sukuna capable of reacting and stopping his attack but once he transformed into his Mythic Beast Amber form he blitzes this Sukuna. Therefore, MBA Kashimo should scale to the reaction speed of his base form in combat speed and be Supersonic+.

the sukuna interested in maki thing shouldn't be used because the only reason he was interested was because she had a heavenly restriction. toji taking the red is eh because if that anime canonicity thing gets accepted then i think it gets thrown out the window. Rest of the stuff seems fine i guess

 

[ShionAH]

Base Hakari should scale, he took a bunch of Base Kashimo attacks even before training

 

[LaserPrecision]

Toji was fine after taking an attack from Awakened Teen Gojo and is comparable to Maki.

He blocked that with Inverted Spear of Heaven, so idk if that's exactly useable.

 

[ElJoaki5]

He blocked that with Inverted Spear of Heaven, so idk if that's exactly useable.

Alright he can just leach off maki feats

 

[ElJoaki5]

the sukuna interested in maki thing shouldn't be used because the only reason he was interested was because she had a heavenly restriction.

Missing the point

 

[ElJoaki5]

Base Hakari should scale, he took a bunch of Base Kashimo attacks even before training

You can make crts too yk

 

[ShionAH]

You can make crts too yk

JJK crts barely get any staff, it can be applied here

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

JJK crts barely get any staff, it can be applied here

I SAY NAY!

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Alright he can just leach off maki feats

Ain't nothing new

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki fought a Sukuna stronger than the one Yuji and Yuta fought (Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting after that. She is also comparable to Toji and is narratively comparable to other characters such as Yuta and Hakari

I'll disagree with this. Sukuna was weaker against maki. He was stronger against Yuta and Yuji. You mixing up random scans ain't helping Maki upscale here

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

She got blitzed and one-shot the moment he locked in.

Even before he locked in, she had zero feats of doing any damage to the weaker version of Sukuna that Yuji and Yuta fought. Her only advantages were LS and SSK. Her blows didn’t even scratch him. Even in terms of speed, he was easily avoiding her attacks. Besides, the conversation between Kusa and Ino implied that she could hang around SG, but not that she was outright on their level.

Also black flash cooked her and she had gone out of the fight for some time so that doesn't mean she scales to that.

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Gojo, Toji and Maki upgrade
Awakened Teen Gojo, Toji and Maki should be Town level.

Awakened Teen Gojo became a Special Grade sorcerer. Special Grade sorcerers scale to Mechamaru's two year charge due to it being stated to reach Special Grade levels of output. He also becomes the strongest after awakening, which would put him above the other sorcerers at that time, such as Yuki.

Toji was fine after taking an attack from Awakened Teen Gojo and is comparable to Maki.

Maki fought a Sukuna stronger than the one Yuji and Yuta fought (Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting after that. She is also comparable to Toji and is narratively comparable to other characters such as Yuta and Hakari.

So they should all be Town level (Ap, dura and striking)

MBA Kashimo speed upgrade
Base Kashimo is Supersonic with Supersonic+ reactions. Base Kashimo fought against a weakened Sukuna capable of reacting and stopping his attack but once he transformed into his Mythic Beast Amber form he blitzes this Sukuna. Therefore, MBA Kashimo should scale to the reaction speed of his base form in combat speed and be Supersonic+.

Agree with Awakened gojo
Agree with Maki scaling to special grades but only because of narrative

Neutral on Kashimo

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I don't know if this counts as Inverse scaling but Yuji scaling to 10% of Meguna's output would make him MCBL+ for his Culling Games key

Also I Agree with this stuff

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Gojo, Toji and Maki upgrade
Awakened Teen Gojo, Toji and Maki should be Town level.

Awakened Teen Gojo became a Special Grade sorcerer. Special Grade sorcerers scale to Mechamaru's two year charge due to it being stated to reach Special Grade levels of output. He also becomes the strongest after awakening, which would put him above the other sorcerers at that time, such as Yuki.

I don't know why you're mixing up scans. Awakened Gojo wasn’t a Special Grade; that was Gojo later on. The scan you linked even shows Geto as a Special Grade. We don’t have any information on Awakened Gojo’s grade when he fought Toji.

This was not the case with Maki) and was able to switch blows with him and take a black flash (Specially strong attack) from him and keep fighting after that.

Again, you’re trying to mislead others. She was off-screen and needed time to recover from the Black Flash; she wasn’t going toe-to-toe with it. Can you stop mixing in random scans to argue your points and start using actual arguments instead?

She is also comparable to Toji and is narratively comparable to other characters such as Yuta and Hakari.

At best, you can argue for downscaling. Also, as I mentioned in one of the comments above, Maki did zero damage to Sukuna even before he locked in, and the arguments you’re making about her exchanging blows are just Sukuna setting up for Black Flash while talking, implying he wasn’t even trying. Only feat she has is good lifting strength against Sukuna. She lacked any kind of feats for her Striking strength. She got carried by SSK. Meanwhile that was not the case for Yuta and Yuji.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I don't know why you're mixing up scans. Awakened Gojo wasn’t a Special Grade; that was Gojo later on. The scan you linked even shows Geto as a Special Grade. We don’t have any information on Awakened Gojo’s grade when he fought Toji.

Geto says that the gap in power between them had grown since his awakening (they used to be equal then gojo awakened) so he would actually be stronger than Geto

Again, you’re trying to mislead others. She was off-screen and needed time to recover from the Black Flash; she wasn’t going toe-to-toe with it. Can you stop mixing in random scans to argue your points and start using actual arguments instead?

Yeah iirc the Black flash did Incap her for a bit but Sukuna is the second strongest sorcerer so being incapacitated by him isn't really a good argument against her scaling to characters way weaker than her

At best, you can argue for downscaling. Also, as I mentioned in one of the comments above, Maki did zero damage to Sukuna even before he locked in, and the arguments you’re making about her exchanging blows are just Sukuna setting up for Black Flash while talking, implying he wasn’t even trying. Only feat she has is good lifting strength against Sukuna. She lacked any kind of feats for her Striking strength. She got carried by SSK. Meanwhile that was not the case for Yuta and Yuji.

Her scaling to Toji is the main point to all of this, being weaker than Sukuna doesn't mean anything because everyone is weaker than Sukuna, its like saying "Yuji isn't town level because dismantle one shot him"

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Geto says that the gap in power between them had grown since his awakening (they used to be equal then gojo awakened) so he would actually be stronger than Geto

You are bringing Irrelevant arguments to what I said.
Awakened Gojo one who fought Toji has no statement to be on par with SG.

Yeah iirc the Black flash did Incap her for a bit but Sukuna is the second strongest sorcerer so being incapacitated by him isn't really a good argument against her scaling to characters way weaker than her

Idk what you are saying here. She got cooked end of case nothing there to scale here.

Her scaling to Toji is the main point to all of this, being weaker than Sukuna doesn't mean anything because everyone is weaker than Sukuna, its like saying "Yuji isn't town level because dismantle one shot him"

Again, I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Yuji clearly hurt Sukuna with his normal punches, which Maki has zero feats to show. She only deals damage through SSK, which is durability negation. Yuji, even without Dismantle, has feats to support his scaling.

Toji doesn’t have any SG statements. The Awakened Gojo that Toji fought doesn’t have any statements either. Narratively, Yuta and Hakari are consistently placed on their own level above others, while the only statement Maki has that compares her to them is about being a heavy hitter. The only thing Maki has is statement about hanging around with SG—which Choso can also do, and even Kusakabe has statements, as mentioned by both Kusakabe and Ino. There is no direct comparison that states she scales to them on equal ground.

As I said, at best she should be considered downscaled, nothing more. I would propose at most rating.

 

[Baken384]

eldemade makes sense to me

 

[ElJoaki5]

I'll disagree with this. Sukuna was weaker against maki. He was stronger against Yuta and Yuji. You mixing up random scans ain't helping Maki upscale here

I didnt mix anything, these statements are through the fight between Maki and Sukuna, one at the end of a chapter and one at the next. Theyre pretty obviously related and mean to say Sukuna is stronger agaisnt Maki.

I don't know why you're mixing up scans. Awakened Gojo wasn’t a Special Grade; that was Gojo later on. The scan you linked even shows Geto as a Special Grade. We don’t have any information on Awakened Gojo’s grade when he fought Toji.

Yes, it is later on but Gojo's awakening is what lead to that. Falls under the awakened teen Gojo key.

Again, you’re trying to mislead others. She was off-screen and needed time to recover from the Black Flash; she wasn’t going toe-to-toe with it. Can you stop mixing in random scans to argue your points and start using actual arguments instead?

Well yeah, I didnt say otherwise. Ive tweaked the wording a bit just in case.

and the arguments you’re making about her exchanging blows are just Sukuna setting up for Black Flash while talking, implying he wasn’t even trying.

Yeah thats just how you see it. Theres no real proof of that. He didnt even say anything in that scene.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I didnt mix anything, these statements are through the fight between Maki and Sukuna, one at the end of a chapter and one at the next. Theyre pretty obviously related and mean to say Sukuna is stronger agaisnt Maki.

Hakari makes it clear that Sukuna had gotten weaker after his fight against Yuta and Yuji inside the Domain.

After Maki got taken down, Kusakabe was ready to face Sukuna, yet he never once stated that Sukuna had suddenly become way stronger than in his previous fights—stronger to the point that his output surpassed his initial fighting power from before Yuta arrived.

Just because Sukuna tried harder against Maki than he did against Yuta and Yuji doesn’t mean he was suddenly far stronger than before. The fact is, against Yuta and Yuji, his output was much higher than in his base state where he wasn’t even trying—much higher than when he fought Maki.

When Sukuna went all out against Maki, we don’t have any definitive answer about how much stronger he really was compared to his earlier fights. So you can’t just use that single statement about Sukuna “actually trying” as justification, especially when his earlier version already had a much higher output even without going all out.

Also, you’re ignoring my other arguments: even before Sukuna got serious, Maki had zero feats showing she could even scratch him without SSK. That alone proves that, even without trying, Sukuna didn’t need to worry about her. She wasn’t doing anything noteworthy like Yuta and Yuji did. The only edge she had was her lifting strength—nothing more. Meanwhile, Yuta’s punches actually damaged Sukuna, and Yuji’s kicks did the same.

Yes, it is later on but Gojo's awakening is what lead to that. Falls under the awakened teen Gojo key.

Even if that falls under Gojo's Awakening Key that shouldn't mean Toji should scales to it since that was a time period which is later the Toji's fight

Well yeah, I didnt say otherwise. Ive tweaked the wording a bit just in case.

She got cooked in both Occasions in one way or another so Black flash arguments shouldn't even be a case.

Yeah thats just how you see it. Theres no real proof of that. He didnt even say anything in that scene.

It's not how I see it alone. The entire scene is he is explaining the purpose he is going all out and setting up for his first Black flash which needs concentration.

Either way like I said we don't have any definitive proof for her scaling to SG directly. It should be Atmost rating at best. Her feats comes from SSK most of it and only relevant things about is her good lifting strength against a heavily weakened Sukuna.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

even before Sukuna got serious, Maki had zero feats showing she could even scratch him without SSK

I mean, why would she attack Sukuna if she has SSK in hands anyway

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

I mean, why would she attack Sukuna if she has SSK in hands anyway

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Plus she was capable of surviving black flash and needed to be taken down with cleave

She should at least down scale from special grade sorcerers
The narrative weight shows she's on that general level even if she's weaker

 

[Buraqibear]

Naoya?

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Bro doesn't scale to shit

 

[Buraqibear]

Bro doesn't scale to shit

He scales to Awakened Maki

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

He scales to Awakened Maki

So Maki downgrade?
He has no business slugging with Special grades

Especially when he's confirmed weaker than Hanami in toughness who could be damaged by Goodwill Yuji

That or he only scales in Acceleration mode

 

[Buraqibear]

So Maki downgrade?
He has no business slugging with Special grades

Especially when he's confirmed weaker than Hanami in toughness who could be damaged by Goodwill Yuji

That or he only scales in Acceleration mode

Hanami and Goodwill Yuji upscale

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

Hanami and Goodwill Yuji upscale

Which is a Yuta and Ryu upscale

 

[Buraqibear]

Which is a Yuta and Ryu upscale

By an unquantifiable amount

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean, why would she attack Sukuna if she has SSK in hands anyway

She knew SSK wasn’t working when Sukuna protected himself with Dismantle, so why didn’t she try to fight like Yuta?

Anyway, it’s a problem for scaling since we don’t have any statements or feats to back her physical capabilities being on equal footing with other heavy hitters without SSK.

Yuji, while heavily injured, was already comparable to Maki even before he absorbed the Death Painting and trained for a month. With heavenly restrictions, there’s no statement suggesting she had the same level of growth as Yuta, Hakari, or Yuji, who possess CE reinforcement to amp their stats and has actual potential to reach Gojo's level. There’s also a fanbook statement where Gege said that Toji and Maki are equal in the middle of the Shinjuku Showdown, if I recall correctly. I think there’s more evidence indicating that she doesn’t completely scale to them.

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Plus she was capable of surviving black flash and needed to be taken down with cleave

Later, he peels her skin with just his fingers, and surviving a BF isn’t a valid argument for AP or durability—unless you’re going to scale Uraume to Gojo’s stats and HP just because they survived them. Also cleave was heavily weakened .

She should at least down scale from special grade sorcerers
The narrative weight shows she's on that general level even if she's weaker

As I said, at best she should be considered downscaled, nothing more. I would propose at most rating.

Either way like I said we don't have any definitive proof for her scaling to SG directly. It should be Atmost rating at best. Her feats comes from SSK most of it and only relevant things about is her good lifting strength against a heavily weakened Sukuna.

I already suggested a downscaling.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Maki downscaling is fine by me

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

(Sukuna was uninterested in Yuji and Yuta, which made him weakened. This was not the case with Maki

Sukuna calls Yuta the main dish btw.

 

[Treeztarz]

toji taking the red is eh because if that anime canonicity thing gets accepted then i think it gets thrown out the window. Rest of the stuff seems fine i guess

Anime canonicity thread got accepted (might have already been accepted as secondary idk or care) so i think toji might actually be riding off of 1 statement rn