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Superman vs Potential Man (0-0-0)

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Superman (DCU) vs Megumi Fushiguro (JJK)
  • Speed Equalized
  • Shibuya Incident Key Megumi
  • Location: DCU Metropolis
  • Starting Distance: 10 Meters
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Kid Kai victims😂

Ok but fr who has better AP here? I feel like Kal El could laser down Megumi at a range
 
Superman is more powerful and has a massive lifting strength advantage (Megumi’s is unknown, but Toji is 120,000 tons vs Superman’s million tons, and I’m gonna go ahead and say Megumi can’t lift as much as his pops) that means if he grabs Megumi, Megumi can’t do anything. I guess Superman doesn’t have a resistance to electricity and paralysis so maybe Nue could do something, but I think what’s more likely is just Clark smacking Megumi’s shit.
 
Whats supes doing about Big Raga?
I'm gonna bet money Superman lands at least 1 blow before Megumi summons him especially if Megumi tries to use other Shikigami first to overpower Superman, he usually is more prone to use heat vision in a scenario with more enemies on the field. Megumi doesn't seem to have prior knowledge right now either so no real reason why he'd go with raga right away

Goat has much more options for traversal and could quickly close the distance and land at least 1 blow
 
Superman can't see Megumi's shikigami, and Divine Dog's claws are basically a one-shot upscale from its value (can cut right through Hanami and one-shot the Finger Bearer). Megumi is not above using sneak attacks, its actually very in character for him to use them, and the fact that Clark can't see the Shikigami would only further incentivize him to do that. In constrast to Megumi being able to easily play defense by sinking into the shadows or having his toad shikigami pull him out of the way, Clark has no way to tell if Megumi is attacking until after the Shikigami have already hit him. Going with Megumi
 
Superman is never going all out with Megumi at first. Against these Lex's soldiers he only used casual punches and his heat vision

Megumi always keeps distance and can enter Superman's shadow to dodge moves or choke attacks

Shikigamis are also invulnerable to anything without cursed energy, so if Divine Dog hugs Megumi it's basically just a indestructible forcefield in Super's perspective.

And I'm pretty sure Megumi got better skill and stamina
 
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If Superman fly away, Megumi can use Nue, a creature that Superman won't be capable to perceive, and paralyse him, all while Divine Dog is capable to attack Super with piercing damage and a one shot value above JJK 8-B value.

Megumi can also hide in Superman's shadow and attack his back when he is not ready, which was a strategy used to dodge an AoE attack
With that Megumi could also enter a building to use his Domain Expansion, where he would get a buff of 120% and a psudo-sure hit (but also stated to be "worst than a sure-hit"), plus the fact that he will be capable to multiple the amount of shikigamis at will and even himself, which would allow a lot of baits

Superman sure could fly away but Megumi would be capable to spam Nue to stop him, all this while Superman wouldn't see anything coming

Also JJK profiles suck ass, someone should revise them
 
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Superman can't see Megumi's shikigami, and Divine Dog's claws are basically a one-shot upscale from its value (can cut right through Hanami and one-shot the Finger Bearer). Megumi is not above using sneak attacks, its actually very in character for him to use them, and the fact that Clark can't see the Shikigami would only further incentivize him to do that. In constrast to Megumi being able to easily play defense by sinking into the shadows or having his toad shikigami pull him out of the way, Clark has no way to tell if Megumi is attacking until after the Shikigami have already hit him. Going with Megumi
I will say on the ground Superman does have a chance to still react to the ground based Shikigami due to his enhanced senses, even if he can't directly see them he'd certainly be able to use his enhanced eyesight and hearing to notice where they are running along the ground that will make sounds and clearly show tracks approaching him.
Shikigamis are also invulnerable to anything without cursed energy, so if Divine Dog hugs Megumi it's basically just a indestructible forcefield in Super's perspective.
Superman could do how he did with the Engineer and Ultraman and just retreat and try to fly out of range which should work since Megumi doesn't have a big range of usage for his Shikigami
If Superman fly away, Megumi can use Nue, a creature that Superman won't be capable to percive, and paralyse him, all while Divine Dog is capable to attack Super with piercing damage and a one shot value above JJK 8-B value.
Nue doesn't have the range to do attack Superman from too far a distance (Profile has tens of meters) Superman still would have agile subsonic+ travel speeds in this case which is fast enough while moving around that I doubt his Shikigami who haven't really show that level of travel speeds could keep up with him.

One shot multiplier's in series is always case by case by the JJK 8-B value is 25 tons so a bit less than half than where Superman is so he certainly isn't being one shot even if it does do decent damage.


Outside of all that though he'd still very much be on a back foot here but all it takes IS one blow directly to megumi to win it
 
Nue doesn't have the range to do attack Superman from too far a distance
The fight starts from 10 meters. Why would be need of more? Superman doesn't fight from far away, he always start at close range and fights at such distance no matter what. There's no need for more range. If super tries to fly away Megumi would intercept with Nue since he is within range and the speed is equalized
I doubt his Shikigami who haven't really show that level of travel speeds could keep up with him.
Nue scales to Subsonic+ characters, not so sure what are you talking about, Megumi always use it in combat, like against Hanami and Finger Bearer. If it was massively slower he would never use it against anyone

Nue is only slower once it's lifting people, since the LS sucks ass
One shot multiplier's in series is always case by case by the JJK 8-B value is 25 tons
Sure, but you can't forget about piercing damage, which I'm pretty sure we accept as a way to counter AP difference of such size. Not only that, but Shikigamis have curse effects as stated in the physiology page, which would make Superman constantly sick
Outside of all that though he'd still very much be on a back foot here but all it takes IS one blow directly to megumi to win it
I mean, does Superman kill kids?
 
I will say on the ground Superman does have a chance to still react to the ground based Shikigami due to his enhanced senses, even if he can't directly see them he'd certainly be able to use his enhanced eyesight and hearing to notice where they are running along the ground that will make sounds and clearly show tracks approaching him.
The sounds they make are imperceptible, and they don't leave tracks beyond Cursed Energy either
 
The fight starts from 10 meters. Why would be need of more? Superman doesn't fight from far away, he always start at close range and fights at such distance no matter what. There's no need for more range. If super tries to fly away Megumi would intercept with Nue since he is within range and the speed is equalized
I never said it started at a longer distance? Yall said megumi would open with his dogs and I explained a potential solution to that explaining their limited range which as far as the profile goes is Nue's range limit as well that Superman can quick back out or advance into it.
Nue scales to Subsonic+ characters, not so sure what are you talking about, Megumi always use it in combat, like against Hanami and Finger Bearer. If it was massively slower he would never use it against anyone
In direct combat speed sure but has he used to fly long distances in a dime rather than fighting in a area of a few dozen meters?
Sure, but you can't forget about piercing damage, which I'm pretty sure we accept as a way to counter AP difference of such size. Not only that, but Shikigamis have curse effects as stated in the physiology page, which would make Superman constantly sick
CE doesn't instantly make those without resistances collapse and become sickly and I already said they could still damage him so I'm not really sure what the first part is about
I mean, does Superman kill kids?
He doesn't need to kill megumi to take him out of the fight? You're being very weird about him taking damage
 
The sounds they make are imperceptible, and they don't leave tracks beyond Cursed Energy either
I don't mean the sounds from the shikigami themself I mean sound from the environment that could be caused from them like running through grass, or stepping on like a twig they would displace it, they aren't non physical beings and would interact with the world normally, he doesn't need to see or hear them just the shit they interact with
 
I never said it started at a longer distance? Yall said megumi would open with his dogs and I explained a potential solution to that explaining their limited range which as far as the profile goes is Nue's range limit as well that Superman can quick back out or advance into it.
But why would Superman fly away so fast? He never did it in the movie. It is a possible solution but it wouldn't work at all. Superman would try to attack, get f ucked, try to fly away, but at such distance Nue would already be capable to intercept

Not only that, but it's pretty much in-chatacter for Megumi to let Nue hide in the sky to attack anything by surprise. If Megumi realize Super can fly, he would pretty much do it in a second
He doesn't need to kill megumi to take him out of the fight? You're being very weird about him taking damage
Sure, but Superman had limited his strenght to KO average humans. I don't see how he would be capable to guess Megumi's strenght at first.

Also, just a remind, Megumi survived with 0 hits against Toji, who scales to 8-A and is way more skilled than Superman in any departament, while also being capable to perceive shikigamis and curses
 
I don't mean the sounds from the shikigami themself I mean sound from the environment that could be caused from them like running through grass, or stepping on like a twig they would displace it, they aren't non physical beings and would interact with the world normally
That would let him judge where they are but that's not good enough to reliably dodge unless you're crazy skilled
 
But why would Superman fly away so fast? He never did it in the movie. It is a possible solution but it wouldn't work at all. Superman would try to attack, get f ucked, try to fly away, but at such distance Nue would already be capable to intercept
Now we're saying megumi would multi spawn all his shikigami in a short exchange of Superman doing something to cross a 10m distance and his summoning maybe one of his dogs or a frog to move him out of the way AND on top of that at the same time having already summoned and positioned Nue into the air? Yeah I'm not buying that.

Like I said Superman could generally judge where the shikigami are based on how they'd interact with the environment on the ground approaching him, he doesn't need to dodge them directly but he could pickup on their movement and just avoid where he sees unnatural motion in the environment for the ground based shikigami going to attack him (he'd probably have to take a hit first before he realizes something is up there though)

Anyways regardless after the fact he has the travel speed on a dime to wise up and entirely evade an area he sees shit approaching him from. He also constantly uses his flight in combat and isn't stiff he flies away to get momentum, assess the area, etc. It isn't wild for him to do, he always uses his flight even in close quarters.
Sure, but Superman had limited his strenght to KO average humans. I don't see how he would be capable to guess Megumi's strenght at first.

Also, just a remind, Megumi survived with 0 hits against Toji, who scales to 8-A and is way more skilled than Superman in any departament, while also being capable to percive shikigamis and curses
Toji was playing with his food tbh and had plenty of opportunity to blitz and one shot, he literally does perception blitz megumi and would have killed him in the alley way at close quarters had he not gained full control over himself in that moment, don't let the anime gas you either in the manga toji did 2 strikes and the second was going to kill megumi the first he evaded because he saw him coming and had hill shikigami pull him before he attacked
 
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Now we're saying megumi would multi spawn all his shikigami in a short exchange of Superman doing something to cross a 10m distance and his summoning maybe one of his dogs or a frog to move him out of the way AND on top of that at the same time having already summoned and positioned Nue into the air? Yeah I'm not buying that.
Megumi generally has multiple out at the same time. He's extremely intelligent, and its pretty basic to have an option for attack and defense, and if Superman tries to fly away then its a basic conclusion to intercept with Nue.
Like I said Superman could generally judge where the shikigami are based on how they'd interact with the environment on the ground approaching him, he doesn't need to dodge them directly but he could pickup on their movement and just avoid where he sees unnatural motion in the environment for the ground based shikigami going to attack him (he'd probably have to take a hit first before he realizes something is up there though)
If he gets hit then that's very bad because the effects of Cursed Energy will quickly come into play and even if it doesn't incapacitate him outright, it will severely mess him up and make it easy for Megumi to land additional hits.
Then scale him to 8-A durability then or at least 8-B but until then he's 8-C and Superman has always been fine in regulating his strength, he knocks out several tiers of goons in one hit without killing them across the movie, don't see why he can't do the same here.
The point is that Megumi is really good at avoiding damage. Do keep in mind that Megumi was exhausted at the time and unable to use all his Shikigami or his domain.
 
Megumi generally has multiple out at the same time. He's extremely intelligent, and its pretty basic to have an option for attack and defense, and if Superman tries to fly away then its a basic conclusion to intercept with Nue.
Yeah not at the very start of a fight and never after not knowing someones kit does he instantly summon 3 different type of shikigami and preplan that Superman could fly away and position for potential dodges and attacking all in one go, he never does this not at the start of a battle but maybe over the course of it sure.
The point is that Megumi is really good at avoiding damage. Do keep in mind that Megumi was exhausted at the time and unable to use all his Shikigami or his domain.
Toji legit only attacks him twice after perception blitzing him and he only avoids 1 of the hits, its not a good thing to use
 
Like my thing is like Superman obviously isn't at an advantageous position here but lets not pretend Megumi of all people is moving like this and instantly multi summoning and positions multiple shikigami right out to gate to counter moves he doesn't even know his opponent has, if he's that focused on positioning at the start then he's more vulnerable to just being hit in that case if we're gonna argue he's plotting and planning right out of the gate
 
Megumi's shikigami should definitely be capable of doing damage to supes, considering how tanking 59 tons left supes in a pretty injured state for a while, so tanking something that one-shots 25 tons (making it somewhere around 40-50 tons) would definitely hurt him.

Supes also has to worry about the effects of CEs curse hax (pain manip, disease manip and mind manip) which would be hammering down on his endurance and stamina over the course of the fight, and considering the fact that team supes seems to acknowledge that Superman will be getting hit here this definitely poses a problem

Yes, with heat vision (which looks like what he starts with here) he outranges, however trying to outrange with heat vision wouldn't help him much at all since megumi could just shield himself using any of his shikigami and megumi would def figure out that supes isn't using cursed energy given that experienced sorcerers can sense and analyze the usage and fluctuation of their opponents cursed energy and how they use it (look at todo vs itadori for example) if megumi just sits there with shikigami guarding him then heat vision outranging him dosen't matter.

The real problem I feel we should be focusing on is Superman's super breath and his LS advantage. With superbreath and enhanced senses, he would definitely figure out where the shikigami are and could freeze them in place, limiting Megumi's options, and with his LS advantage, if he gets an opening, he could definitely pin down Megumi (something Supes seems to do in-character), ending the fight.

And of course, if Megumi summons big raga the opp stoppa its ggs, but despite what the memes say, he never leads with this unless he's either coming into or is in a very dire situation for example against itadori he only lead with maho because he was about to fight Sukuna, in Shibuya he only used mahoraga against that one nanami victim because he was backstabbed and almost died plus he just finished fighting toji so he's clearly a bit fatigued.
 
Megumi's shikigami should definitely be capable of doing damage to supes, considering how tanking 59 tons left supes in a pretty injured state for a while, so tanking something that one-shots 25 tons (making it somewhere around 40-50 tons) would definitely hurt him.
He fought the hammer for 3 hours straight, one blow didn't do him in
 
Yeah not at the very start of a fight and never after not knowing someones kit does he instantly summon 3 different type of shikigami and preplan that Superman could fly away and position for potential dodges and attacking all in one go, he never does this not at the start of a battle but maybe over the course of it sure.
Megumi having both a way to deal damage and defensive option to get out of the way prepared for an opponent of unknown strength is completely in character. I didn't say he'd have Nue out at the start, even though that is one of his most used Shikigami, I said that if Superman flies then Megumi will respond in kind by using Nue. Superman wouldn't start by trying to gain distance, so Megumi would be able to have Nue out already to chase him, or he could just summon it when Superman tries to retreat. He really wouldn't be working that far ahead.
Toji legit only attacks him twice after perception blitzing him and he only avoids 1 of the hits, its not a good thing to use
A lot of that fight was off-screen, do keep in mind that while he was avoiding Toji he was luring him into a narrow area to make it easier to land a hit.
The real problem I feel we should be focusing on is Superman's super breath and his LS advantage. With superbreath and enhanced senses, he would definitely figure out where the shikigami are and could freeze them in place, limiting Megumi's options, and with his LS advantage, if he gets an opening, he could definitely pin down Megumi (something Supes seems to do in-character), ending the fight.
This Superman can't freeze people with Super Breath
Like my thing is like Superman obviously isn't at an advantageous position here but lets not pretend Megumi of all people is moving like this and instantly multi summoning and positions multiple shikigami right out to gate to counter moves he doesn't even know his opponent has, if he's that focused on positioning at the start then he's more vulnerable to just being hit in that case if we're gonna argue he's plotting and planning right out of the gate
Megumi is really smart, he figured out Kirara's technique with no outside information and outplayed Reggie. Even when he was running for his life against Toji, he was still able to make a plan to place himself in a more advantageous position and limit Toji's movement options on the fly. Its an extremely simple strategy to have defensive options at play for someone who's capabilities are unknown, and it wouldn't take a genius to figure out Supes can't see the Shikigami and would be vulnerable to sneak attacks. If he sees Superman fly its simple reasoning to have your only flying Shikigami on hand, especially if your opponent doesn't have a reliable way to detect its position. For Megumi to let Superman get up close and grab him or punch him, he'd have to fight like an idiot. Its not like Superman heat vision spamming is a problem either since they're straight beams that he can easily avoid or block with Shikigami.
 
Megumi should win then


Shikigami sits on the heat vision, he'd analyze supes and immediately equate him to todo in physicals, and therefore act accordingly. He could use shadows to move around, sneak him and dodge attacks if he's unable to dodge them himself, Nui could paralyze supes if need be, allowing him to follow up with divine dog or some other shikigami

As the fight drags on, Supes will succumb to the effects of CE and eventually be unable to fight, he'd have a hard time reaching megumi through shadows, divine dog totality guarding and assisting megumi in close range and nui threatning to paralyze him at mid range, he could also use rabbit escape to further catch superman off guard through the sheer quantity of rabbits he'd have to detect, he could even make clones if need be, megumi has a ton of options as to how he could engage superman, as long as he watches out for that LS advantage (which he's smart enough to do) he'd wear him down evenually especially if he uses domain and starts really abusing nui

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, but Potential-man (watch him die to a grade 1 curse) FRA
 
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