Club Penguin

[Vzearr]

Premise​

I provide you another high quality CRT. Downgrading Club Penguin.

I will remake all calcs if this is accepted.

Oh and I forgot, according to many. All of my threads are bad therefore I lost all my respect. I'd like to see 1 valid debunk here because I'm tired of being blatantly disrespected.
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Calculation 1:​

Ninja Penguin cause an explosion​

Scaling to the end of the explosion is flawed. We know that there are gaps between the spikes. The calculation assumes that the explosion fills in those gaps, when it blatantly doesn't. I suppose you could say that the shockwave reaches to it omnidirectionally, but that's also flawed as we don't know if the shockwave behaves like an irl shockwave, and doesn't follow club penguin physics. Therefore, this calc is flawed. Ignoring the fact that it's lowballed by the pixel scaling, it's wrong in both ways.​

Calculation 2:​

Ninja Penguins can make storms​

There is no reason to assume it expands to the horizon, that's based on nothing. This calculation also involves several other unfound assumptions.​

The game uses the exact same animations for it every time and it covers the horizon the same​

No proof of it covering the horizon.​

meaning that it can most certainly affect the area seen in the dojo as wel​

Assumption.​

located above snow-capped mountains, putting the minimum height at 3000 meters for it​

Snow capped mountains can be less then that.​

These clouds look massive and are above snow-capped mountains, suggesting they're 4000m above ground, just like cumulonimbus clouds.​

Stated above, and again, assumptions.

Overall this assumption based calc is flawed and flat out wrong.​

Calculation 3:​

Penguin hooks and pulls an Aqua Grabber 3000 with a penguin inside​

Drag Coefficent: 0.47 (The Submarine is sphere-like)​

No, it's much more similar to a ufo, it look's nothing like a sphere, a ufo looks most like a airfoil and a cylinder mixed together. Which would have to be calculated to get the drag force. So this is oversimplified and wrong.​

Average Sub Depth: 300 Meters​

There is no depth that's the "average" for a submarine. The shape of the submarine here would likely be much higher, something like 200 meters makes more sense.​

Calculation 4:​

Penguin Moves Faster Than Lightning​

This calculation is under the assumption that the lightning JUST touched the ground, when it's obvious the timeframe is flawed and that it touched the ground before they moved that distance. Let me try to dumb it down for you guys.

I punch a wall.
You calculate it and say I just touched the wall.
The wall has a deep crater.
I did not just touch the wall, I moved more distance.

This applies to the calculation at hand as we see black on the floor.
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Conclusion​

Club penguin has lots of flawed calculations and this needs to be fixed.​

 

[Phsccarvalho]

[]Club penguin has lots of flawed calculations and this needs to be fixed.[/]

Then redo the calculations and open a calculation thread to discuss which one is best to use, instead of making a low-quality crt that only complains about the calculations without offering any suitable replacement (especially when the verse only has a single accepted calculation for each statistic since it started existing like 2 weeks ago)

 

[Vzearr]

Then redo the calculations and open a calculation thread to discuss which one is best to use, instead of making a low-quality crt that only complains about the calculations without offering any suitable replacement (especially when the verse only has a single accepted calculation for each statistic since it started existing like 2 weeks ago)

Why would I do that when my debunks could be wrong. This isn't a low quality crt. I'd like to first establish the debunks as correct before remaking the calcs, instead of wasting my time.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Oh and I forgot, according to many. All of my threads are bad therefore I lost all my respect. I'd like to see 1 valid debunk here because I'm tired of being blatantly disrespected.​

You're not helping by starting out threads like this i.e. with personal grievances, that looks bad :/

Calculation 1:​

we don't know if the shockwave behaves like an irl shockwave, and doesn't follow club penguin physics.​

"We dont know if this fictional shockwave follows IRL shockwaves so its wrong"

Seriously?
Feats in general are given the default assumption of working 1:1 with irl physics unless evidence suggests otherwise, the burden of proof would fall on you to prove it isn't the case. Hard Disagree

Calculation 2:​

Ninja Penguins can make storms​

There is no reason to assume it expands to the horizon, that's based on nothing. This calculation also involves several other unfound assumptions.
No proof of it covering the horizon.​

Actually yeah I think I can agree to this, seems assumptive and not backed up by much evidence

Calculation 3:​

Penguin hooks and pulls an Aqua Grabber 3000 with a penguin inside​

No, it's much more similar to a ufo, it look's nothing like a sphere, a ufo looks most like a airfoil and a cylinder mixed together. Which would have to be calculated to get the drag force. So this is oversimplified and wrong.

There is no depth that's the "average" for a submarine. The shape of the submarine here would likely be much higher, something like 200 meters makes more sense.​

I think I can agree to this as well, Submarines are designed to minimize drag, so using a sphere instead of calculating the unique shape would give incorrect results, the 200 meter depth also makes sense.

Calculation 4:​

Penguin Moves Faster Than Lightning​

This calculation is under the assumption that the lightning JUST touched the ground, when it's obvious the timeframe is flawed and that it touched the ground before they moved that distance. Let me try to dumb it down for you guys.​

This does seem like a fair point, although one could argue since they happen in unison they would require the same timeframe so I'll be neutral on this

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Lastly, Let the center alignment threads die please

 

[Vzearr]

You're not helping by starting out threads like this i.e. with personal grievances, that looks bad :/

I'm just annoyed by it, so I like to let it out in a non harmful manner.

"We dont know if this fictional shockwave follows IRL shockwaves so its wrong"

Seriously?
Feats in general are given the default assumption of working 1:1 with irl physics unless evidence suggests otherwise, the burden of proof would fall on you to prove it isn't the case. Hard Disagree

What?

The feat is literally a explosion exploding not like a explosion, but you want me to assume that the shockwave isn't gonna behave like the explosion. That's absurd.

Lastly, Let the center alignment threads die please

NEVER.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Calculation 1:​

Ninja Penguin cause an explosion​

Scaling to the end of the explosion is flawed. We know that there are gaps between the spikes. The calculation assumes that the explosion fills in those gaps, when it blatantly doesn't. I suppose you could say that the shockwave reaches to it omnidirectionally, but that's also flawed as we don't know if the shockwave behaves like an irl shockwave, and doesn't follow club penguin physics. Therefore, this calc is flawed. Ignoring the fact that it's lowballed by the pixel scaling, it's wrong in both ways.​

Sure, I can re-scale to the smaller spikes in between. Not a big deal.

Calculation 2:​

Ninja Penguins can make storms​

There is no reason to assume it expands to the horizon, that's based on nothing. This calculation also involves several other unfound assumptions.

No proof of it covering the horizon.

Assumption.

Snow capped mountains can be less then that.

Stated above, and again, assumptions.

Overall this assumption based calc is flawed and flat out wrong.​

Can't comment on this not my calc.

Calculation 3:​

Penguin hooks and pulls an Aqua Grabber 3000 with a penguin inside​

No, it's much more similar to a ufo, it look's nothing like a sphere, a ufo looks most like a airfoil and a cylinder mixed together. Which would have to be calculated to get the drag force. So this is oversimplified and wrong.​

In no world, does some thing shaped like a UFO look like something shaped like an airplane wing. It is closer to an ellipse than anything.

There is no depth that's the "average" for a submarine. The shape of the submarine here would likely be much higher, something like 200 meters makes more sense.

That looks nothing like the submarine from Club Penguin. The one in the article is mostly glass. The one in club penguin is clearly most metal. Furthermore, you can see Giant Squids while diving which are usually 300-1000 meters below the seal level. If anything current depth is a lowball

Calculation 4:​

Penguin Moves Faster Than Lightning​

This calculation is under the assumption that the lightning JUST touched the ground, when it's obvious the timeframe is flawed and that it touched the ground before they moved that distance. Let me try to dumb it down for you guys.​

You can literally go frame by frame in the video I provided and see that is not true. Disagree.

 

[Vzearr]

In no world, does some thing shaped like a UFO look like something shaped like an airplane wing. It is closer to an ellipse than anything.

It is not a sphere, clearly.

That looks nothing like the submarine from Club Penguin. The one in the article is mostly glass. The one in club penguin is clearly most metal. Furthermore, you can see Giant Squids while diving which are usually 300-1000 meters below the seal level. If anything current depth is a lowball

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You can literally go frame by frame in the video I provided and see that is not true. Disagree.

The brown stuff indicates it's true.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Image won't load.

Try this

The brown stuff indicates it's true.

Unless, you can prove that is somehow a crater instead of just superheated plasma (lightning) touching a highly flammable substance (a rice mat) then your argument doesn't hold a lot of water.

 

[Vzearr]

Try this

Fair

Unless, you can prove that is somehow a crater instead of just superheated plasma (lightning) touching a highly flammable substance (a rice mat) then your argument doesn't hold a lot of water.

The same logic applies if it's touching a highly flammable substance.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

The same logic applies if it's touching a highly flammable substance.

How?

 

[Vzearr]

How?

It touches it and we don't know how long it's been touching it.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

It touches it and we don't know how long it's been touching it.

So you don't know whether or not it has any depth at all?

 

[Vzearr]

So you don't know whether or not it has any depth at all?

No. It's like this.

You punch fabric, your punch is finished, how long ago did you touch the fabric.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

No. It's like this.

You punch fabric, your punch is finished, how long ago did you touch the fabric.

Thats on you to prove. You are the one with the contention., Prove that brown patch is somehow a crater and not just lightning touching a rice mat.

 

[Vzearr]

Thats on you to prove. You are the one with the contention., Prove that brown patch is somehow a crater and not just lightning touching a rice mat.

What, the same thing applies. It doesn’t need to be a crater.

 

[Vietthai96]

I was asked to ping Calc Group Member here

@Psychomaster35 @SeijiSetto @Therefir

Sorry for the ping, but your help is needed

 

[KLOL506]

@Agnaa @Mr. Bambu @DMUA @Therefir @Migue79 @Dark-Carioca @Executor_N0 @Dalesean027 @Armorchompy @SeijiSetto @DemiiPowa @Flashlight237 @SunDaGamer @Psychomaster35

 

[Therefir]

Calculation 1: I agree, I don't like using the "spikes" of a explosion to find its size and power because it's not really covering that volume.

Calculation 2: I can see that during the storm the entire sky in the background is dark compared to when the sky is clear, and the storm clouds extend far enough to reach behind the island/mountain in the background, so what's wrong with assuming the storm is covering the horizon? Maybe calculating the distance between the little ice island and the mountain works better.

Calculation 3: Yeah this makes sense, the volume of the submarine wasn't calculated properly.

Calculation 4: Perhaps there's a better way to calculate this, but it seems complicated because the lightning has very few frames to work with.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Oh and I forgot, according to many. All of my threads are bad therefore I lost all my respect. I'd like to see 1 valid debunk here because I'm tired of being blatantly disrespected.

I haven't been part of any of this disrespect but I feel like it's unnecessary to add this to the main first post of this thread...

Therefir's points are agreeable.

 

[Arceus0x]

I'll reply later. Oh btw thanks for not calling the one mf who made the 2nd calc. Thanks a big freaking lot.

 

[Vzearr]

Am I allowed to continue this thread?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Am I allowed to continue this thread?

I would like to let you know that while this was happening the penguin's height was changed from 3.5f to 4.0f.

 

[Arceus0x]

[]Calculation 2:[/]​

[]Ninja Penguins can make storms[/]​

[]There is no reason to assume it expands to the horizon, that's based on nothing.

As thereifr said, it very blatantly expands to the horizon. The sky is clear, then it instantly turns grey and the clouds appear. This can only be done with clouds covering everything. The video shows it very clearly.

This calculation also involves several other unfound assumptions.[/] []No proof of it covering the horizon.[/]

Again, it covers the horizon very clearly.

[]Assumption.[/]

Not at all. I provided video evidence of the sky getting covered in random CP locations. This is a very specific mechanic that allows one to cause rain to appear literally everywhere and it has the rainclouds cover the skybox.

[]Snow capped mountains can be less then that.[/]

3 months a year. The snow capped mountains I've shown stay that way 365 days a year and are very specifically depicted as snow capped. In fact the source I'm basing this on is the "Snow Line" article on Wikipedia.

[]Stated above, and again, assumptions.

Again, saying assumptions over and over again doesn't remove facts.

Overall this assumption based calc is flawed and flat out wrong.[/]

You wanna know something that isn't an assumption? Call it insight. See this calc of mine wasn't even accepted. Shit, there's no CRT that makes it usable either. It was a mathematically accepted calc that was not used in a CRT or a page. Someone added it to the verse page but I see no reason why anyone would end up there first.
So why is it that you found this one unused calc and went after it? Were you perhaps searching for calcs to try and debunk? I've not seen you around the C. Penguin thread arguing about calcs there, instead you clearly found some random verse and some random calcs and went after us. Why? Are you trying to gain some browny points for dunking on a small verse? Are you just enjoying making downgrade after downgrade? Answer me.

 

[Vzearr]

Not sure if I’m allowed to continue this thread. But the ban says making new threads so I believe it’s a fair assumption.

As thereifr said, it very blatantly expands to the horizon. The sky is clear, then it instantly turns grey and the clouds appear. This can only be done with clouds covering everything. The video shows it very clearly.

That’s not blatantly expanding to the horizon? That’s one assumption of a 100 in this feat.

3 months a year. The snow capped mountains I've shown stay that way 365 days a year and are very specifically depicted as snow capped. In fact the source I'm basing this on is the "Snow Line" article on Wikipedia.

Okay? And?

Again, saying assumptions over and over again doesn't remove facts.

They’re assumptions not facts. There is a difference.

You wanna know something that isn't an assumption? Call it insight. See this calc of mine wasn't even accepted. Shit, there's no CRT that makes it usable either. It was a mathematically accepted calc that was not used in a CRT or a page. Someone added it to the verse page but I see no reason why anyone would end up there first.
So why is it that you found this one unused calc and went after it? Were you perhaps searching for calcs to try and debunk? I've not seen you around the C. Penguin thread arguing about calcs there, instead you clearly found some random verse and some random calcs and went after us. Why? Are you trying to gain some browny points for dunking on a small verse? Are you just enjoying making downgrade after downgrade? Answer me.

What the hell. Why is this guy taking my debunks to heart. I randomly stumbled across the verse and decided to help fix it?

 

[Arceus0x]

Not sure if I’m allowed to continue this thread. But the ban says making new threads so I believe it’s a fair assumption.

That’s not blatantly expanding to the horizon? That’s one assumption of a 100 in this feat.

Assumption this assumption that USE YOUR EYES BRUV. IT'S GREY. What did you think it was? Someone turned on moody lighting for the sky?

Okay? And?

They're different things that function differently. Your argument is invalid.

They’re assumptions not facts. There is a difference.

I bring videos, actual often used facts about how snowcapped mountains work, explanation of why it's all legitimate Just because you say assumption doesn't debunk those facts.

What the hell. Why is this guy taking my debunks to heart. I randomly stumbled across the verse and decided to help fix it?

Ah yes, help. Totally. You are such a good guy that totally randomly stumbled upon this verse and didn't just scour the calc eval thread to make the 8th downgrade thread this week. Uh-huh.

 

[Vzearr]

Assumption this assumption that USE YOUR EYES BRUV. IT'S GREY. What did you think it was? Someone turned on moody lighting for the sky?

Relax dude. What does it being gray have to do with anything.

They're different things that function differently. Your argument is invalid.

What.

I bring videos, actual often used facts about how snowcapped mountains work, explanation of why it's all legitimate Just because you say assumption doesn't debunk those facts.

There are facts in the assumption, doesn’t not make it an assumption.

Ah yes, help. Totally. You are such a good guy that totally randomly stumbled upon this verse and didn't just scour the calc eval thread to make the 8th downgrade thread this week. Uh-huh.

Dude I literally promised to remake all of the calculations, what’s wrong with you, why would I scour the calc eval thread? That’s another assumption.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Someone added it to the verse page but I see no reason why anyone would end up there first.

Mathematically accepted calculations are placed on the verse page.

 

[Arceus0x]

Calculation 1: I agree, I don't like using the "spikes" of a explosion to find its size and power because it's not really covering that volume.

Calculation 2: I can see that during the storm the entire sky in the background is dark compared to when the sky is clear, and the storm clouds extend far enough to reach behind the island/mountain in the background, so what's wrong with assuming the storm is covering the horizon? Maybe calculating the distance between the little ice island and the mountain works better.

Calculation 3: Yeah this makes sense, the volume of the submarine wasn't calculated properly.

Calculation 4: Perhaps there's a better way to calculate this, but it seems complicated because the lightning has very few frames to work with.

Do you have any more issues with calc 2 after what I've said?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

@Agnaa @Mr. Bambu @DMUA @Therefir @Migue79 @Dark-Carioca @Executor_N0 @Dalesean027 @Armorchompy @SeijiSetto @DemiiPowa @Flashlight237 @SunDaGamer @Psychomaster35

KLOL could you also give your opinion?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

bump

 

[Phsccarvalho]

bump

How many staff entries does this thread need?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

bump

How many staff entries does this thread need?

2, It's always 2

 

[Phsccarvalho]

2, It's always 2

R

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[Phsccarvalho]

I

Are two calc members enough?

 

[Vietthai96]

Are two calc members enough?

I mean, yeah, as long as there is no contest between calc members

• Checking the validity of any existing calculations. Once 1-2 calc group members have evaluated and accepted a calculation (posted in blog format in this wiki), the results can be applied via a content revision forum thread, as long as other calc group members do not disagree.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

R

I mean, yeah, as long as there is no contest between calc members

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[Vzearr]

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You don't need to keep tagging me, I'm working on it haha.

 

[Vzearr]

Okay, I've concluded that to calculate some of this stuff, I need to either be in a lab and conducting experiments to calculate the drag coefficient of a airfoil and cylinder combined because I can't create a formula and don't believe there is a single valid formula to calculate something as complex as that (its extremely complex and I wasted my time looking into it so you don't have to). I also either need to be in the verse to see the distance the lightning actually moved and burned the floor mat at, which also requires another complex formula, albeit, not as complex as the last.

Finally, the explosion calculation is the only one I can calculate although the numbers would be so deflated you'll be sad because of the angle.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Okay, I've concluded that to calculate some of this stuff, I need to either be in a lab and conducting experiments to calculate the drag coefficient of a airfoil and cylinder combined because I can't create a formula and don't believe there is a single valid formula to calculate something as complex as that (its extremely complex and I wasted my time looking into it so you don't have to). I also either need to be in the verse to see the distance the lightning actually moved and burned the floor mat at, which also requires another complex formula, albeit, not as complex as the last.

so...?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Finally, the explosion calculation is the only one I can calculate although the numbers would be so deflated you'll be sad because of the angle.

So this feat will be recalculated?