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Genshin Impact

Vzearr

Vzearr

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Premise​

Hi, after some low quality CRT'S based on impulsivity (sorry), I provide you a high quality CRT. Downgrading Genshin Impact.

I will remake all calcs if this is accepted.

Oh and I forgot, according to many. All of my threads are bad therefore I lost all my respect. I'd like to see 1 valid debunk here because I'm tired of being blatantly disrespected.

This thread will be regarding speed calcs, the next will be AP, then LS.​

Calculation 1:​

Problems:​

This calculation is problematic. They use the "height" of the island but that's just the width and length of the island, not the height. We don't actually know how high he launched that thing. It could be 1000 meters high, or cloud level, or 100 meters high. We genuinely don't know. Making this calculation, incorrect. If you want to make the assumption he covered the entire Island in rain, then that'd also be incorrect. It's a major assumption, you don't know if it's just the city, or the whole Island, or a 100 meter radius. It's just not quantifiable.
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Calculation 2:​

Most of the scans are missing. However it's okay, because this is still debunkable.

1 Pixel in map = 970 m
The calc they link says it's 870 m. They also link a discord message? Which is odd. Anywho, the calc they link provides no proof behind their claim, making the distance unquantifiable.​

Calculation 3:​

"It is assumed that the missile has the same speed as her gun"
There is no reason to assume this. Even in the animation, her gun is shown to be miles faster than the missile. Anywho, let's assume this is true, the calc is missing things:
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Flintlock width = 26.4 cm

0.264/190 = 0.00138947368 m/px

missile size = 0.00138947368*66 = 0.09170526315 m

Where is the pixel scaling for this? Why was this accepted if there isn't any proof of the sizes.

Calculation 4:​

The distance she moves is lowballed. Swinging the guy should be calculated in radians, using her string thing.

Regarding the speed of a crossbow, I believe we should calculate the speed using a frame by frame basis, due to the speed of crossbow's varying so much.​

Calculation 5:​

Although a calc like this is basically my wet dream because it looks perfect and the assumptions are perfect. It's wrong.

Well, I actually come to this conclusion based on the previous calculation. There is no evidence the camera is following the bullet directly. Making this kind of unquantifiable.

This debunk, is a bit ratty, but it's still a debunk in and of itself.​

Conclusion​

Subsonic Genshin Impact.

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I generally don't have a problem with this CRT given most of Genshin Impact calcs are flawed, but if you're really willing to remake and evaluate it like what you said here then you have my permission. It's not even about them being flawed, but it's about them and the recalculations being done just stuck for ages cause there's no calc group members present since months to evaluate it (Puppet could explain this better than me, he was crashing out multiple times in the discussion thread).

Overall though this is all fine, for the second calculation: It's more of like that the actual size is way bigger than what has been portrayed in-game because the map in-game is obviously minimized. Currently atm we still don't have a good grasp on how big Teyvat is or if there's any calculation pertaining to this so yeah this is the main issue we kinda have rn in the verse itself
 
Vzearr said:

Calculation 1:​

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I agree the distance used is wrong but I don't think it's completely unquantifiable. In the scan the water explosion thing zooms out showing it's above the castle
Vzearr said:

Calculation 2:​

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You could've just asked the person who made the calc to correct the value and provide proof, all it needs is a small tweak

Edit: It seems like the feat was already proposed to be removed due to flowerly language in this thread anyways
Vzearr said:

Calculation 3:​

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Agree, I don't understand how the missiles being the same speed as her bullets was accepted
Vzearr said:

Calculation 4:​

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Yeah it should be in radians, I don't think having to measure the crossbow bolt speed would be necessary tho
Vzearr said:

Calculation 5:​

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Completely disagree, the zoom in is clearly meant to be the POV of the bullet here
 
Sahlwrld said:
No, he's just making DG thread randomly without knowing theres other threads going on.
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I was aware of the other threads but they don't really affect this thread, this is targeting only calculations.
 
Vzearr said:
I was aware of the other threads but they don't really affect this thread, this is targeting only calculations.
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@Puppet43 was about to make a thread about calculations too which is right after this one, thats why it said "Part 1". And theres some of his calculations that hasn't been evaluated.
(Apparently the mods aren't doing their job)

I'm not good in this case so i'll just leave it to him.
 
Sahlwrld said:
No, he's just making DG thread randomly without knowing theres other threads going on.
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Sahlwrld said:
@Puppet43 was about to make a thread about calculations too which is right after this one, thats why it said "Part 1". And theres some of his calculations that hasn't been evaluated.
(Apparently the mods aren't doing their job)

I'm not good in this case so i'll just leave it to him.
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Alright now you're just straight up lying, this downgrade thread DOES NOT disturb Puppet43's next thread cause his thread WOULD ONLY cover his calculations, and those are new calculations (Which weren't evaluated for ages). Not even a recalculation of those in this thread, which was the sole reason he was crashing out multiple times. This thread is completely different, it points out those calculations that are already accepted + Explained here why they're wrong, what you said firsthand here is bad faith literally. This is an indexing site bro.
 
I'll wait for puppet thread to be concluded first before asking the staffs to come here later, his thread has one staff approved right now so we just need one more
 
I don't care about this downgrade anyway and didn't catch my attention at all, so, do what you do buddy.
I'll be just watching this.
 
Vzearr said:

[]Yelan swung the man to shield the arrow speed[/]​

[]The distance she moves is lowballed. Swinging the guy should be calculated in radians, using her string thing.

Regarding the speed of a crossbow, I believe we should calculate the speed using a frame by frame basis, due to the speed of crossbow's varying so much.[/]
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This isn’t really a downgrade. At the end of the day, the original calculation is still valid, it hasn’t been proven wrong. Sure, you can refine it or make it better with things like radians or frame-by-frame analysis, but that counts as an improvement, not a debunk.

And regarding the arrow speed: if the result comes out lower than the standard projectile speed, then it shouldn’t really be used in the first place. These scenes don’t operate on real-world exact timing anyway, so relying on frame-by-frame isn’t always a solid approach. Using an average speed isn’t inherently wrong either, and from what I see, it’s still widely accepted across this site.

Until a new calculation is actually accepted as the standard, there’s no reason to push it back to subsonic, especially since the current calc is still workable and in some parts is even a lowball, not an overestimatio
Vzearr said:

[]Eula blocking a pyro bullet[/]​

[]Although a calc like this is basically my wet dream because it looks perfect and the assumptions are perfect. It's wrong.

Well, I actually come to this conclusion based on the previous calculation. There is no evidence the camera is following the bullet directly. Making this kind of unquantifiable.

This debunk, is a bit ratty, but it's still a debunk in and of itself.[/]
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I actually see it as the bullet’s perspective, because the camera zooms in so quickly and the bullet is the only context in that moment. If it weren’t truly the bullet’s point of view, that would suggest the bullet is slower than the camera, which is weird. If it were much slower, wouldn’t Lumine be able to easily dodge it without flinching? In the end, the bullet’s speed should roughly match the camera’s speed to maintain the same context and feel consistent
 
Second22 said:
This isn’t really a downgrade. At the end of the day, the original calculation is still valid, it hasn’t been proven wrong. Sure, you can refine it or make it better with things like radians or frame-by-frame analysis, but that counts as an improvement, not a debunk.
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Never claimed it was a downgrade, I claimed the original calculation is wrong.
Second22 said:
And regarding the arrow speed: if the result comes out lower than the standard projectile speed, then it shouldn’t really be used in the first place. These scenes don’t operate on real-world exact timing anyway, so relying on frame-by-frame isn’t always a solid approach. Using an average speed isn’t inherently wrong either, and from what I see, it’s still widely accepted across this site.
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There is no standard projectile speed for it though, it varies so much.
Second22 said:
I actually see it as the bullet’s perspective, because the camera zooms in so quickly and the bullet is the only context in that moment. If it weren’t truly the bullet’s point of view, that would suggest the bullet is slower than the camera, which is weird. If it were much slower, wouldn’t Lumine be able to easily dodge it without flinching? In the end, the bullet’s speed should roughly match the camera’s speed to maintain the same context and feel consistent
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That's fair, I claimed it on the basis of the other clip where the camera moves faster then the projectile.
 
Vzearr said:
Never claimed it was a downgrade, I claimed the original calculation is wrong.
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Because the conclusion you wrote says “back to subsonic,” which is strange. As I said, it’s not wrong at all, it’s still a commonly used standard value and actually a low-ball estimate. But you can improve it further.
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There is no standard projectile speed for it though, it varies so much.
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Maybe 50 m/s, but I don’t want to use it since there’s no direct source; I’d rather stick with something properly referenced. It’s not just about the arrow’s speed being inconsistent, the whole thing would need to be removed anyway. You might find a better speed, but if not, just revert to the original.
 
Second22 said:
Because the conclusion you wrote says “back to subsonic,” which is strange. As I said, it’s not wrong at all, it’s still a commonly used standard value and actually a low-ball estimate. But you can improve it further.
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That was a joke haha.
 
personally every calc except laylah one should be properly re calculated since they are blatant and usable, leylah one is huge hyperbolic feat and literally outlier when consistent feats are subsonic-supersonic+ for low mid tier and then hypersonic to mhs+ feata are just for god tiers only (and i mean archons sovereigns and shades)
 
PedjaTarzan said:
personally every calc except laylah one should be properly re calculated since they are blatant and usable, leylah one is huge hyperbolic feat and literally outlier when consistent feats are subsonic-supersonic+ for low mid tier and then hypersonic to mhs+ feata are just for god tiers only (and i mean archons sovereigns and shades)
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Subsonic Part 2 HI3
 
Lilybitdun said:
You could've just asked the person who made the calc to correct the value and provide proof, all it needs is a small tweak

Edit: It seems like the feat was already proposed to be removed due to flowerly language in this thread anyways
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Its funny cause im the creathor of both the CRT and calculation
Vzearr said:
The calc they link says it's 870 m.
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No, i linked the scan that said Guili was 100 km away from Liyue Harbor, my calculation had less zoom than the OG post, therefore is 970 instead of 870
Vzearr said:
Making this calculation, incorrect. If you want to make the assumption he covered the entire Island in rain, then that'd also be incorrect. It's a major assumption, you don't know if it's just the city, or the whole Island, or a 100 meter radius. It's just not quantifiable.
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Nah, this is straight up wrong in your part, for Neuvi to forgive all of Fontaine people he must had reached the entire nation at worst, or you think low key all fontaine people lived in the big city?
Voidnether said:
his thread WOULD ONLY cover his calculations
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Most of the low - mid tiers are using speed calcs which were in the verse page, for speed im only ,making 2 or 3 calculations (mostly for high - god tiers)
 
Puppet43 said:
No, i linked the scan that said Guili was 100 km away from Liyue Harbor, my calculation had less zoom than the OG post, therefore is 970 instead of 870
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What.
Puppet43 said:
Nah, this is straight up wrong in your part, for Neuvi to forgive all of Fontaine people he must had reached the entire nation at worst, or you think low key all fontaine people lived in the big city?
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Well if you’re calculating that you wouldn’t use the time it took to get into the sky now would you.
 
Vzearr said:
Well if you’re calculating that you wouldn’t use the time it took to get into the sky now would you.
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The calc itself it's low balled, its described in the archive that Neuvi forgiving Fontaine people litterally happen in the span of a flash
Lyney: Was that bright light some sort of misdirection? I have a feeling that something huge just happened (Bassicly the main cast except Neuvi and Aether just saw a flash bang)
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Puppet43 said:
The calc itself it's low balled, its described in the archive that Neuvi forgiving Fontaine people litterally happen in the span of a flash
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This doesn't change anything.
 
Puppet43 said:
Would change the speed ratio to Speed of Light at best or whatever speeds other have to the point they couldnt even react to him (Yeah lets go calc stacking)
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No it wouldn't lol, we don't know what they were referring to directly in the feat.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Puppet the actual thing u need to prove is neuvi performing the feat across all of fontaine and not whatever this is
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Puppet43 said:
Nah, this is straight up wrong in your part, for Neuvi to forgive all of Fontaine people he must had reached the entire nation at worst, or you think low key all fontaine people lived in the big city?
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I tought it was common sense that not all people was in the main city or you tell me neuvi forgot the 2 mains ports which are on opposite sides?
 
Chat this is calc discussion group, it ain't no normal crt thread. I'd recommend you guys to not clog this thread.
 
Not all fontainians in the entire world is in Fontaine at that time, and it cannot be assume that all of them were in Fontaine too because there is no reason for all of the population of fontaine to back to Fontaine. And some of them are in Sumeru (port ormos to be exact) and Nod-Krai and many other places outside Fontaine. So Neuvi basically changed all fontainians in the entire world at the same time, not only just for those in fontaine.
 
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Here is a quick recalculation of Neuvi feat
  • i use Wanderer to jump from the top of this building down to ground lvl (where the Fountain is)
  • It took me 3.07 seconds
  • Free fall formula = 0,5*g*t^2 => 0,5 * 9,8 * 3.07 ^2 = 46.18 meters, but now Neuvi starts flying up so fast, im gonna use a mid ball of like 50 meters (above the building) therefore he is currently 96.18 meters above the floor
  • We use this calculator to know where is the horizon at that altitude = 35008 meters
  • Timeframe 25/60= 0.41666s (Yeah comes from the calc, i dont think anyone has anything against the timeframe)
  • 84020.54 m/s or Mach 244.95, how much is that?
  • Massively Hypersonic, kinda consistent lol
 
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