Punishing: Gray Raven Discussion Tread

[AlipheeseXIV]

Can someone explain about the "Rule Makers" that Nanami mentioned?Are they the same as the Watchers?

Yes.

 

[Hayato5652]

Yes.

Sorry for asking again. I just want to make sure I got this right:
According to the current CRT, which is about 1-B

the only part I didn’t understand is 26D, does it refer to the Hetero Tower, or to Universe that have space-time?

Gate: 27D

Those who are Beyond Gate: 28D

And the Observer, who transcends all of these: 29D?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Sorry for asking again. I just want to make sure I got this right:
According to the current CRT, which is about 1-B

the only part I didn’t understand is 26D, does it refer to the Hetero Tower, or to Universe that have space-time?

Gate: 27D

Those who are Beyond Gate: 28D

And the Observer, who transcends all of these: 29D?

Refers to the universe, it's bosonic string theory.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

The Gate dimension feels very different from the usual dimensions we know... Considering it's qualities, I suppose we could get Low 1-A from it in the future depending on how the writers expand over the cosmology from this point on.

 

[Hayato5652]

I still believe that with the R>F instances that exist in the game, we should scale Cosmology and also the Observer to Tier 1-A

Either that CRT will be accepted or it won’t, there’s nothing to lose, and trying it won’t hurt either

 

[SuperSonicTL]

There is still alot to explore soo I suggest we wait for now

 

[Hayato5652]

The real rival of Ishmael has been found

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1-B key and AP Countless-D

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The real rival of Ishmael has been found

Godzilla (Godzilla Singular Point Novelization)

Godzilla (ゴジラ, Gojira?) is a kaiju who appears in the novelization of the anime "Godzilla: Singular Point", written by Toh EnJoe. In the novel, Godzilla is the physical body, the main "trunk" of "It", the cosmic entity who consumes universes to expand its domain. It is constantly evolving and...

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1-B key and AP Countless-D

Hm...could be an interesting match if 1B gets accepted, issue is the verse has a shit ton of supporters and I rather not argue against upwards of 20+ people who are going to swear by their verse instead of properly reading both combatants profiles similarly to the Fu vs Cradle fight.

 

[Hayato5652]

Hm...could be an interesting match if 1B gets accepted,

How many staff members agree with the CRT?
3? Or maybe 2

issue is the verse has a shit ton of supporters and I rather not argue against upwards of 20+ people who are going to swear by their verse instead of properly reading both combatants profiles similarly to the Fu vs Cradle CRT.

The matchup between these two characters is really exciting, but the large number of Godzilla fans makes them superior compared to us.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

How many staff members agree with the CRT?
3? Or maybe 2

Seemingly 2, we aren't counting Vietthai. Though I will be sure to make a wrap up at the end of the CRT if it's necessary.

The matchup between these two characters is really exciting, but the large number of Godzilla fans makes them superior compared to us.

Yeah I really rather not get too involved with that, you're free to do so but I'm warning you it won't be as exciting as you might think with how people can be on this site.

 

[Hayato5652]

Seemingly 2, we aren't counting Vietthai. Though I will be sure to make a wrap up at the end of the CRT if it's necessary.

I’m worried that after this CRT gets accepted, "he" might go and create a thread for a downgrade

Yeah I really rather not get too involved with that, you're free to do so but I'm warning you it won't be as exciting as you might think with how people can be on this site.

It’s exciting, but only in your own mind… when you analyze it by yourself and declare the winner of the fight. Otherwise, if you try to argue with its fans, it leaves you with nothing but frustration

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I’m worried that after this CRT gets accepted, "he" might go and create a thread for a downgrade

Probably, but even if he makes a downgrade thread all of his current arguments are more or less intangible. If he makes arguments that build upon his current one's it'll likely end in a disagree.

It’s exciting, but only in your own mind… when you analyze it by yourself and declare the winner of the fight. Otherwise, if you try to argue with its fans, it leaves you with nothing but frustration

Accurate summation of how some fights on the wiki go.

 

[Hayato5652]

Probably, but even if he makes a downgrade thread all of his current arguments are more or less intangible. If he makes arguments that build upon his current one's it'll likely end in a disagree.

Aren’t you worried? Whenever I get a notification from him, it ruins my mood badly.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Aren’t you worried? Whenever I get a notification from him, it ruins my mood badly.

Not really, I'd be lying if I said it doesn't make me assume the worst to see a notification from him. However at the same time that isn't actually limited to just him, and I've gotten to a point where I just deal with whatever happens as an issue arises rather than trying to be proactive. It's a waste of energy to be proactive on this site when you aren't a staff member/in close relation to such people.

 

[Hayato5652]

Scale, fiction, games, and even this site

they’re just forms of entertainment that pull you a bit away from the real world, and in a way, they help you escape life’s problems for a while.

I just hope it never reaches the point where we end up hurting ourselves.

Whatever is going to happen, let it happen, we’ll deal with it.

 

[Hayato5652]

Am I allowed to write my username here?
Even though I didn’t really do anything special, but still...

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Am I allowed to write my username here?
Even though I didn’t really do anything special, but still...

Yeah that's fine, anyone can put themselves as a supporter afaik.

 

[Hayato5652]

Whenever the character changes are applied, please let me know

 

[Hayato5652]

We really need a Cosmology page,
because the staff members don’t read the previous CRTs that were already accepted, and it just causes unnecessary arguments.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

We really need a Cosmology page,
because the staff members don’t read the previous CRTs that were already accepted, and it just causes unnecessary arguments.

I empathize with you there, but if they struggle to read a single message what makes you think they'll read a cosmology page? Though I already have had one in the making for months now, it's just super long is all because the verse is so big, currently it's over 5k words long at the moment.

 

[Hayato5652]

I empathize with you there, but if they struggle to read a single message what makes you think they'll read a cosmology page? Though I already have had one in the making for months now, it's just super long is all because the verse is so big, currently it's over 5k words long at the moment.

Overall, having a Cosmology page and having something general isn’t a bad thing, right? It’s true that some people don’t read it, but having something like that isn’t bad either

What will the next CRT be about?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Overall, having a Cosmology page and having something general isn’t a bad thing, right? It’s true that some people don’t read it, but having something like that isn’t bad either

No yeah I agree with you, I'm just saying not to get your hopes up that a cosmology page will solve how the staff see CRT's and stuff. As I said, I've been working on a cosmology page for months now.

What will the next CRT be about?

Largely undecided at the moment, I might make a very small CRT adding Lamia's profile and giving Projection infinite/immeasurable lifting strength.

 

[Hayato5652]

No yeah I agree with you, I'm just saying not to get your hopes up that a cosmology page will solve how the staff see CRT's and stuff. As I said, I've been working on a cosmology page for months now.

Also, edit these too, I’m telling you so you don’t forget.

Largely undecided at the moment, I might make a very small CRT adding Lamia's profile and giving Projection infinite/immeasurable lifting strength.

The Ability section of the previous CRT hasn’t been approved yet, has it?

If not, move it to the next CRT.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Also, edit these too, I’m telling you so you don’t forget.

I'm aware, thanks.

The Ability section of the previous CRT hasn’t been approved yet, has it?

If not, move it to the next CRT.

No, for now I won't. That will probably end up being it's own CRT.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Yeah that's fine, anyone can put themselves as a supporter afaik.

Add my name as well while at it @Hayato5652

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Overall, having a Cosmology page and having something general isn’t a bad thing, right? It’s true that some people don’t read it, but having something like that isn’t bad either

What will the next CRT be about?

I'll take care of that one personally given my experience. Alipheese will handle miscellaneous.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Add my name as well while at it @Hayato5652

Sure

 

[Hayato5652]

The pages turned out great

but Lee still has HDE 6D and it hasn’t been edited yet.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The pages turned out great

but Lee still has HDE 6D and it hasn’t been edited yet.

Well it won't be edited, it's currently not possible to actually give him countless HDE like Projection. Also HDE isn't a requirement to scale to higher dimensions anyways, there are plenty of 1B characters who don't have HDE. In fact, our own profiles are a good example as even characters like Selene or Luna who are capable of creating their own Gate's don't actually have any HDE.

 

[Hayato5652]

Well it won't be edited, it's currently not possible to actually give him countless HDE like Projection. Also HDE isn't a requirement to scale to higher dimensions anyways, there are plenty of 1B characters who don't have HDE. In fact, our own profiles are a good example as even characters like Selene or Luna who are capable of creating their own Gate's don't actually have any HDE.

No problem, and what you said makes sense.

But AP 1-B must still be included.

I cared about whether Ishmael qualifies for HDE or not, and apparently he does.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

But AP 1-B must still be included.

You make it sound like it's not included, it's there.

I cared about whether Ishmael qualifies for HDE or not, and apparently he does.

She*

 

[Hayato5652]

Are Dante and Vergil, or rather collab characters, going to be added?
I think @SuperSonicTL could do it if he gets some guidance.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Are Dante and Vergil, or rather collab characters, going to be added?
I think @SuperSonicTL could do it if he gets some guidance.

They will be added eventually, DMC is currently undergoing some massive revisions so we are waiting for those to be concluded. Not to mention, as unfortunate as it is the DMC characters are not actually all that important to the verse on their own.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

However I have heard that if the DMC revisions go well we could end up with a very large quantity and quality of layers through the collab.

 

[Hayato5652]

However I have heard that if the DMC revisions go well we could end up with a very large quantity and quality of layers through the collab.

I don’t understand, why did the other characters become 1-B?
Wasn’t it only the Gate?
Could you explain?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I don’t understand, why did the other characters become 1-B?
Wasn’t it only the Gate?
Could you explain?

It's pretty simple, they all scale to the core of the Hetero Tower/Gate. They just lack HDE. Selene is capable of creating her own Gate, Luna is capable of beating Selene, Vonnegut is capable of tanking attacks with his shield that can no sell attacks from the core of the Hetero Tower, which Lucia is able to physically destroy, Cradle is capable of rewriting the core outright after Lee rewrites it. You get the point.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Of course, do not let the tier confuse you. Just because they are all possibly 1B does not in any way, shape, or form mean Selene is on par with Lee Hyperreal or Primal Projection/Ishmael or something. It's just going to look very close from a large picture perspective but the characters have clear differences in stats.

 

[Hayato5652]

It's pretty simple, they all scale to the core of the Hetero Tower/Gate. They just lack HDE. Selene is capable of creating her own Gate, Luna is capable of beating Selene, Vonnegut is capable of tanking attacks with his shield that can no sell attacks from the core of the Hetero Tower, which Lucia is able to physically destroy, Cradle is capable of rewriting the core outright after Lee rewrites it. You get the point.

Oh... now I get it.
It’s not that I disagree with you, I’m just happy, really happy.
Because I thought the CRT was only related to Lee and Primal Projection

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Oh... now I get it.
It’s not that I disagree with you, I’m just happy, really happy.
Because I thought the CRT was only related to Lee and Primal Projection

Nah it's fine, ik you were just asking a question. I was detailing it for you and hopefully anyone else in the thread who had, or will have a similar question as you, it's easy to forget because the thread was so long but I did clearly state within it that my main proposal was to get those that scaled to the Gate/Core of the Hetero Tower or those who scaled to Primal Projection to 1B. In fact, I'm pretty sure the reason there was some backlash from Telomera was because of that, since looking at our verse rn most the current profiles scale to that. Thing is, as we make more profiles it will become abundantly clear just how much of a small portion of characters actually even get anywhere near Gate scaling.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

All things considered, our verse is lowkey kinda limited in actual relevant combatants. Our mid tiers our all L6B and yet...our next tier right after L6B is currently 2A which...I don't even have to explain how ridiculous of a gap that is. 99% of future profiles are also only going to scale to the current L6B unless we get more calcs, which I am working on rn.