Meliodas vs Monkey D. Luffy [19-2-0]

[Makai641001]

Don't care. Read the thread. 7 Layers of Buso, meaning everything on the Buso Page (including the DF Powernull) has 7 layers.

Not my fault you decide to willfully ignore what we have accepted just cuz' Buso negs your favorite hax

So cringe lol

Now, answer me, what level of deconstruction does Meliodas have?

1 layer

 

[Makai641001]

? Those are people with similar stats to his, just like Meliodas. Maybe present an actual argument because this isn't one.

Sorry but aren’t both Kaido and Kizaru around his stats and able to do cutting damage to him ? Genuine question not to troll or anything

Gaban negated the immortality from Imu, which is different from regeneration. Haki has this accepted.

What type of immo ?

 

[Makai641001]

In order to do that, Meliodas needs to hit Luffy with a projectile blast. In Gear 5th, Luffy has over a 5x speed advantage (which is already near enough to blitz), has very high levels of precog with Kenbun and Advanced Kenbun, and passively grows in speed and strength as the fight goes on longer. He's not getting hit by that, especially when he would see that it would kill him on contact.

Blatantly false

 

[Gamecooob]

So cringe lol

Nope

1 layer

no like what degree does it deconstruct to.

just small cubes? atomic? subatomic?

 

[Makai641001]

Still, to the Meliodas fans, Luffy would not be cut just by a 3 AP advantage when Haki makes him resist those attacks, and that is only on true magic

These stats are his physicals, try and search Meliodas vs Albion just to see what a sacred treasure is

 

[Makai641001]

Nope



no like what degree does it deconstruct to.

just small cubes? atomic? subatomic?

Deconstruction doesn’t involve sub tiers anymore as it is separate from matter manip.

So the answer is 1 layer (maybe 2 i don’t remember)

Meliodas and Zel were able to deconstruct a supreme immortal being made out of photons that can reform it’s body out of a shower of light.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

These stats are his physicals, try and search Meliodas vs Albion just to see what a sacred treasure is

But I don't want to see Meliodas defending his wife...

 

[Kachon123]

Except Cracker, which is inferior in Gear fourth but with a superior Haki, but Luffy grew in strenght and was cut in the beginning on the fight just to be able to tank piercing attacks at the end

Cracker was able to cut Gear 4th at first because he was stronger and had superior Haki. Luffy grew over their 11 hour fight to where his Haki became stronger than Cracker's. Because of that, he was no longer able to be cut and it reflected all piercing attacks. Haki has a resistance against piercing and slashing attacks, and turns it into more blunt force. Because of that, Luffy's rubber body is able to bounce it back. Meliodas would need to have superior LS than Luffy to cut him here, but he doesn't. Luffy also reflects attacks back with 8x the force, which is enough to one-shot.

 

[Makai641001]

But I don't want to see Meliodas defending his wife...

« She said she was twelve »

 

[Makai641001]

But doesn’t the OP equalize stats by making Luffy start in G5 and awakened Mel ?

If that’s the case the speed point is trash

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What’s the vote count

 

[Makai641001]

What’s the vote count

Idek atp but even one of the OP stans said Mel erase

Wait till we get Class Z NNT

 

[Kachon123]

Blatantly false

Meliodas was literally grabbed by the Demon King. He was already making contact with him.

 

[Makai641001]

Meliodas was literally grabbed by the Demon King. He was already making contact with him.

And Meliodas had to wait for Ban to pass through the portal hence why he waited.

 

[Kachon123]

And Meliodas had to wait for Ban to pass through the portal hence why he waited.

The point I'm making is that its a range-based thing. Meliodas needs to either be touching someone or use a projectile to hit something. That's how he's always used it.

 

[Makai641001]

The point I'm making is that its a range-based thing. Meliodas needs to either be touching someone or use a projectile to hit something. That's how he's always used it.

Yeah Luffy can’t touch him Meliodas can still aoe his ass into nothingness

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah Luffy can’t touch him Meliodas can still aoe his ass into nothingness

Luffy can hit people without touching them.

 

[Gamecooob]

Idek atp but even one of the OP stans said Mel erase

it was under the pretense that Meliodas passively erases things without doing anythin'

now that may not be the case

 

[Makai641001]

Luffy can hit people without touching them.

Can he do it from tens of meters while they get close to him ?

Cause that’s the length of DK arm

 

[Makai641001]

it was under the pretense that Meliodas passively erases things without doing anythin'

now that may not be the case

Which he does lol he doesn’t need projectiles he just waited for Ban to go

 

[Gamecooob]

Can he do it from tens of meters while they get close to him ?

he can stretch + ACoA + ACoC infusion

 

[Makai641001]

he can stretch + ACoA + ACoC infusion

Show him doing so with tens of meters of range, stretching will make him an even bigger target for Meliodas to AOE his ass into oblivion

 

[Kachon123]

Can he do it from tens of meters while they get close to him ?

Cause that’s the length of DK arm

Yes

 

[Kaydee1648]

What’s the vote count

3 voted for mel, and one for luffy atm
i’m waiting for more votes to come in

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

3 voted for mel, and one for luffy atm
i’m waiting for more votes to come in

I think the hardest part of this matchup is that no one really wants to be seen voting/defending Meliodas even if he should be the one winning this.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The amount of advantage Mel has is too much. Luffy only bet is internal damage on a guy that can regen..meanwhile Mel passively reduces his stats while being able to erase him or just completely destroy him with any magic infused attack

 

[Makai641001]

The amount of advantage Mel has is too much. Luffy only bet is internal damage on a guy that can regen..meanwhile Mel passively reduces his stats while being able to erase him or just completely destroy him with any magic infused attack

Basically yeah… And I talked about destroyer amps it was just ignored

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

One thing I personally hate is people overusing the whole Conqueror haki negs, that's so freaking annoying even more so when Ussop goes around Luffy and Zoro and never gets affected worse Big Mom was releasing her conqueror haki and Ussop was pretending it was his, Big mom is supposed to be on similar level to Kaidou and Luffy. Ussop doesn't even have supernatural willpower on his profile and yet he is fine against some of the best conqueror haki users, you can barely call him haki user.

 

[Makai641001]

One thing I personally hate is people overusing the whole Conqueror haki negs, that's so freaking annoying even more so when Ussop goes around Luffy and Zoro and never gets affected worse Big Mom was releasing her conqueror haki and Ussop was pretending it was his, Big mom is supposed to be on similar level to Kaidou and Luffy. Ussop doesn't even have supernatural willpower on his profile and yet he is fine against some of the best conqueror haki users, you can barely call him haki user.

It’s just overly wanked I asked for a baseline and got nothing but an off topic answer.

It’s getting problematic they argue for immunities to heat get layers for tens of abilities using potency.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

1 layer

I think 3 layers were accepted, but I could be wrong.

Still, to the Meliodas fans, Luffy would not be cut just by a 3 AP advantage when Haki makes him resist those attacks, and that is only on true magic

Dude... TMF Meliodas scales to 300 Zettatons, the difference is more than 10 times

 

[Makai641001]

I think 3 layers were accepted, but I could be wrong.

We need it in profiles just like we need the heat value

Dude... TMF Meliodas scales to 300 Zettatons, the difference is more than 10 times

It’s not EOS tmf

 

[Majinere566]

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[Makai641001]

Acoc Bcoc and Coca Cola fra

AHAHAHAHA 90 layers of « can you get much higher » FRA

 

[Gamecooob]

using potency.

*layers

 

[Makai641001]

*layers

The only enjoyable thing in you is your profile pic

 

[Gamecooob]

The only enjoyable thing in you is your profile pic

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[Majinere566]

Based on what’s presented so far I’m voting Meliodas

 

[Kachon123]

Luffys stats have been changed

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy's AP is now equal to True Magic Meliodas, and he gets stronger over time. He's also >5x faster and has several seconds of precog. Each of Luffy's attacks are large enough and have big enough aoe with dura neg to destroy all of Meliodas' hearts. He also negates regen with Haki.

 

[Makai641001]

Luffy's AP is now equal to True Magic Meliodas, and he gets stronger over time.

Didn’t see a change in the OP but Meliodas has enchantments.

He's also >5x faster and has several seconds of precog.

EE AOE

Each of Luffy's attacks are large enough and have big enough aoe with dura neg to destroy all of Meliodas' hearts.

The larger the easier to touch with EE

He also negates regen with Haki.

Meliodas resists regen negation.

The thing is in order to touch Meli he has to get big… Meli will just send his aura and erase his ass

Regarding speed it’s a 5x gap, 20c for Luffy 4c (iirc) for Meliodas.
But this value is arbitrary DM1 is a blitz gap that made Meliodas go from litteraly 0 physicals to blitzing someone prevously faster than him.
DM2 is a 2x amp
AM is far higher and the biggest gap in his transformations
True magic awakening allows him to contend with DM2 DK Zel while he was previously < base old dk.
Rage amps are a blitz gap.

The gap Is virtually well below 5x and if Luffy has to get big speed won’t help him at all.