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Attack On Titan Massive AP & Speed Revision

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WeeklyBattles said:
How many staff do we have in agreement? You can probably summarize and then ping some people from the other thread now that the Canon issue is handled
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0 staff response so far, I don't have the ability to ping staff members but I'll ask those who contributed in the canon thread for their input
 
Lilybitdun said:

ODM Blade AP Upgrade​

Agree: Apex_Predator_GX, Eficiente
Disagree: Raiden38, Shadow_x007x (Disagrees with current premise of scaling the blades to titan durability due to surface area)
Neutral: Machmatej
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I agree with everything but this here.
 
Ngl someone might need to make a crt solely to handle the blades thing, because it seems some people don't agree with the wiki's standard for weapons scaling above their wielders
 
Nierre said:
I agree with everything but this here.
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I'm interested in hearing why since the counterarguments so far have been
Surface Area, which I brought up why it doesn't make sense
And someone disagreeing the with entire wiki's standard for scaling bladed weapons
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Ngl someone might need to make a crt solely to handle the blades thing, because it seems some people don't agree with the wiki's standard for weapons scaling above their wielders
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the scaling of the ODM blades have to covered in here since the profiles wouldn't be able to be updated without it. The current verse's scaling already has the ODM blades scale to the Colossal Titan's durability, so if people agree on the Colossal Titan physical revisions I don't understand why the ODM ap scaling is questionable; they literally go hand-to-hand with each other
 
Lilybitdun said:
the scaling of the ODM blades have to covered in here since the profiles wouldn't be able to be updated without it. The current verse's scaling already has the ODM blades scale to the Colossal Titan's durability, so if people agree on the Colossal Titan physical revisions I don't understand why the ODM ap scaling is questionable; they literally go hand-to-hand with each other
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Very strange indeed
 
Now that the canon thing is accepted. I'll need to know the reasoning for using 4 psi as the overpressure.
 
Lilybitdun said:
Considering we see big pieces of bone flung up into the air from the impact, 4 psi seems pretty reasonable
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Maybe at that distance. Not 720 meters away. Remember the overpressure at the edge (or whatever radius you're using) is what has to be put into the formula.
 
Huzy said:
Maybe at that distance. Not 720 meters away. Remember the overpressure at the edge (or whatever radius you're using) is what has to be put into the formula.
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You got a point, it's not like people on the cliff got hurt by the shockwave either
 
Lilybitdun said:
You got a point, it's not like people on the cliff got hurt by the shockwave either
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I can do a low end but it should be noted that shockwaves are not a uniform force, they get weaker as they travel and are stronger at the epicenter
 
Machmatej said:
these have to be outliers, ain't no way
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If it were any other characters it probably would be, but both of th3se feats were done by Ackermans who are straight up superhumans even compared to the superhuman feats of the rest of the cast. No one but them would scale to these feats
 
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So everything excluding the ODM blade upgrade has two staff approvals
currently the ODM blade proposal an agree and a neutral staff vote, either gotta wait to see if Nierre's vote changes or if a third staff agrees
 
Lilybitdun said:
So everything excluding the ODM blade upgrade has two staff approvals
currently the ODM blade proposal an agree and a neutral staff vote, either gotta wait to see if Nierre's vote changes or if a third staff agrees
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Did you ping any of the other staff from the canon thread?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Did you ping any of the other staff from the canon thread?
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Yes, I had asked all the staff involved in the canon thread on their input on their respective message walls. We just gotta wait a little bit
I'll be able to bump on the contest revision promotion thread on the 10th as well
 
In the mean time I'm gonna take a final look over of the sandbox to fix any formatting, grammar mistakes, add helpful scans and hopefully figure out how to do tabbers to re-add them to Eren as well so adding the changes to profiles will go down smoother
 
Lilybitdun said:
In the mean time I'm gonna take a final look over of the sandbox to fix any formatting, grammar mistakes, add helpful scans and hopefully figure out how to do tabbers to re-add them to Eren as well so adding the changes to profiles will go down smoother
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Tabbers are easy, it's just

<tabber>
|-|Subject 1=
|-|Subject 2=
Insert as many tabs as necessary
</tabber>

Unless you're doing nested tabbers. those are a pain in the ass
 
I'm assuming an AP explanation blog will be needed as well so people know where the Small Building, Large Building, & City Block+ values come from
 
Rod Reiss' Abnormal Titan form is currently scaled to City Block+ in both AP & Durability for this feat, after he's exploded it's shown that the ODM blades are able to cut right through chunks of flesh of it, including the nape. Rod's Titan also has a possibly Multi-City Block rating as well so that would be included. The durability of a titan's body doesn't change if it's disconnected from the main body or not.
The blades are also capable of cutting off chunks of the Colossal Titan, shown here, whose durability should be Small Town level
Scaling Chain: Rod Reiss Durabilty / Colossal Titan's = ODM blade (Can cut both of them)
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The biggest concern with this is the Surface Area issue on the Durability page. You don't necessarily need to be inflicting Multi-City Block level or Small Town level amounts of raw energy into each strike if your blades are sharp enough and you're cutting into such a tiny portion of the enemy's body relative to their overall size (and both Red Reiss Titan and Colossal Titan are absolutely, incredibly huge compared to the amount of damage you can inflict with ODM gear).

So I'm currently against scaling the blades directly to the durability of those Titans.
 
Damage3245 said:
The biggest concern with this is the Surface Area issue on the Durability page. You don't necessarily need to be inflicting Multi-City Block level or Small Town level amounts of raw energy into each strike if your blades are sharp enough and you're cutting into such a tiny portion of the enemy's body relative to their overall size (and both Red Reiss Titan and Colossal Titan are absolutely, incredibly huge compared to the amount of damage you can inflict with ODM gear).

So I'm currently against scaling the blades directly to the durability of those Titans.
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This was already explained though, it's not giving 8-A / 7-C striking power, only cutting power. We use this logic for every other verse where blades cut things above the wielder's strength level, why would AoT be any different?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
This was already explained though, it's not giving 8-A / 7-C striking power, only cutting power. We use this logic for every other verse where blades cut things above the wielder's strength level, why would AoT be any different?
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Are any of our profiles actually marked as 7-C cutting power?
 
Damage3245 said:
The biggest concern with this is the Surface Area issue on the Durability page. You don't necessarily need to be inflicting Multi-City Block level or Small Town level amounts of raw energy into each strike if your blades are sharp enough and you're cutting into such a tiny portion of the enemy's body relative to their overall size (and both Red Reiss Titan and Colossal Titan are absolutely, incredibly huge compared to the amount of damage you can inflict with ODM gear).

So I'm currently against scaling the blades directly to the durability of those Titans.
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In the same proposal I show how Historia is capable of slicing through chunks of Rod's titan flesh the size of her and Hange is capable of cutting off sizable chunks of Colossal Titans. Are those examples not enough to show it's more than surface area?
 
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