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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

i mean Ian thinks Sonic is just...building level
I respect Ian even if I don't like some of what he says and writes, but the time he said The End was a destroyer only on a planetary level when he assumingly wrote the line of The End making "countless stars" fall to it is still kinda funny

Then again that line could've been written in by someone else bc Ian doesn't work on the scripts alone, + Bumblekast is simply just his opinions and nothing more as stated iirc
 
I respect Ian even if I don't like some of what he says and writes, but the time he said The End was a destroyer only on a planetary level when he assumingly wrote the line of The End making "countless stars" fall to it is still kinda funny

Then again that line could've been written in by someone else bc Ian doesn't work on the scripts alone, + Bumblekast is simply just his opinions and nothing more as stated iirc
Its also funny when, by his logic, The End is weaker than the Eclipse Cannon, Final Egg Blaster, the Hyper-Go-On Blackhole, etc 💀
 
Its also funny when, by his logic, The End is weaker than the Eclipse Cannon, Final Egg Blaster, the Hyper-Go-On Blackhole, etc 💀
I think they're trying to make Sonic more "grounded" but my issue is that they're trying too hard to make Sonic grounded while they completely ignore things going on in past games, yk?

If I were in charge of a grounded Sonic while also considering previous games, I'd place Sonic characters at about Saiyan saga levels of power. Not in terms of destructive capabilities ofc save for some characters, but in how they'd fight characters at those levels. Of course I'd be more inclined to put them at Buu Saga levels or just Dragon Ball Super levels but that's just me, so ultimately I think Saiyan saga levels of power would work for a somewhat grounded Sonic while considering other games
 
tbf SOMETHING like that had to have went through their heads when developing stuff like Solaris, even with the whole dimensional anchoring thing going on
Honestly it just seemed to me they thought Super Dimensional sounded cool and ran with it lol
Not saying they don't think about what they put in, they must've thought about it but Im saying their main reason is most likely cause it was cool
 
i mean Ian thinks Sonic is just...building level
I don't know about that. I doubt Ian has any defined power level for Sonic in mind, and I think that he just nerfs or buffs the Sonic cast whenever the plot demands it or whenever it's slightly convenient regardless of it being unnecessary. This seems the most apparent in IDW where sometimes Sonic is a legendary hero able to match Eggman through sheer skill and speed (which is a consistent interpretation with how for the last decade or so Eggman is always looking for new power sources or tools to so much as confront Sonic) but in that very same issue it's revealed that Eggman could beat Sonic at any time with carpet bombing but doesn't do it due to pride...like okay but that's literally something he tried on Sonic in S3&K that failed.

And sometimes Sonic will need to build up speed to burst through a reinforced door as seen in the issue where him and Tails met Belle but other times he accelerates from a standstill to such speeds that he can demolish entire mechs like Giga Omega without issue.

That said as much as I like Ian Flynn as a writer and think he's done good for the franchise the powerscaling thing is my one issue with his writing. Not because it harms any of my agendas but simply because his lack of consistency for what charecters can or can't do at a given moment sometimes makes stakes feel contrived in the CW Flash kind of way albiet not quite as bad. And as much as I personally support the interpretation that a motivated Sonic is a borderline unstoppable force of nature that should rarely lose when he gets serious, it's fair of him to disagree but at the very least I would like Ian to pick a lane on if Sonic is fairly grouned or overpowered and stick with it instead of flip flopping whenever it's convenient.
 
I don't know about that. I doubt Ian has any defined power level for Sonic in mind, and I think that he just nerfs or buffs the Sonic cast whenever the plot demands it or whenever it's slightly convenient regardless of it being unnecessary.
I remember when Ian said that Super Sonic had like City level destructive capacity and I rolled my eyes
 
I think they're trying to make Sonic more "grounded" but my issue is that they're trying too hard to make Sonic grounded while they completely ignore things going on in past games, yk?
Part of this also can happen because certain elements form the past have been retconned, which the current writing staff will happily accept because they don't know how to keep these elements alive while making an engaging story.

Like Sonic CD, the Japanese advertisement for the game was literally "Sonic will go faster than the speed of light for the first time, breaking the barrier of time, and freely traveling between past and future" and even the manual would include the thing about Sonic time traveling by reaching the speed of light. But of course, they can't keep Sonic moving at those speeds, so the fact that they have basically retconned Sonic CD by saying "it's all the Time Stones" helped them with that by not having Sonic time-traveling by his own speed anymore.

It's just the new path the Sonic series is following as of now and honestly, I wonder for how much longer the current rantings on this Wiki will be kept until someone finally brings out it doesn't make sense 90% of the time.
 
Part of this also can happen because certain elements form the past have been retconned, which the current writing staff will happily accept because they don't know how to keep these elements alive while making an engaging story.

Like Sonic CD, the Japanese advertisement for the game was literally "Sonic will go faster than the speed of light for the first time, breaking the barrier of time, and freely traveling between past and future" and even the manual would include the thing about Sonic time traveling by reaching the speed of light. But of course, they can't keep Sonic moving at those speeds, so the fact that they have basically retconned Sonic CD by saying "it's all the Time Stones" helped them with that by not having Sonic time-traveling by his own speed anymore.

It's just the new path the Sonic series is following as of now and honestly, I wonder for how much longer the current rantings on this Wiki will be kept until someone finally brings out it doesn't make sense 90% of the time.
are we going into the codex wiki route?
 
My take is that superdimensional was just meant to be Solaris representing a 4-D existence and we took it through other means as being 5-D or higher
Solaris being 4-D instead 5-D won't make it any more consistent than it already is.
 
The only current Sonic media that makes the characters grounded is IDW, and it has far more problems than powerscaling.
 
Like Sonic CD, the Japanese advertisement for the game was literally "Sonic will go faster than the speed of light for the first time, breaking the barrier of time, and freely traveling between past and future" and even the manual would include the thing about Sonic time traveling by reaching the speed of light. But of course, they can't keep Sonic moving at those speeds, so the fact that they have basically retconned Sonic CD by saying "it's all the Time Stones" helped them with that by not having Sonic time-traveling by his own speed anymore.
Which is funny when you realise you can literally beat the game without a collecting a single one 💀
 
My take is that superdimensional was just meant to be Solaris representing a 4-D existence and we took it through other means as being 5-D or higher
Isn't the term Super Dimensional copyrighted by a Franchise? Last I checked it isn't really an official "word" like Trans-Dimensional or smth
 
Part of this also can happen because certain elements form the past have been retconned, which the current writing staff will happily accept because they don't know how to keep these elements alive while making an engaging story.

Like Sonic CD, the Japanese advertisement for the game was literally "Sonic will go faster than the speed of light for the first time, breaking the barrier of time, and freely traveling between past and future" and even the manual would include the thing about Sonic time traveling by reaching the speed of light. But of course, they can't keep Sonic moving at those speeds, so the fact that they have basically retconned Sonic CD by saying "it's all the Time Stones" helped them with that by not having Sonic time-traveling by his own speed anymore.

It's just the new path the Sonic series is following as of now and honestly, I wonder for how much longer the current rantings on this Wiki will be kept until someone finally brings out it doesn't make sense 90% of the time.
I don't recall how Sonic CD's events were retconned to say "it's all the Time Stones" except for maybe the whole "WITHOUT THE TIME STONES!?!?!?!?" thing, which, imo, is just a bad reference at worst

As for the wiki I think what'll happen is either things stay about the same because a lot of franchises also have this type of stuff or downgrades happen but nothing too big, maybe low 1-C for the characters at max or removing tier 1 all together and going back to tier 2 max
 
Isn't the term Super Dimensional copyrighted by a Franchise? Last I checked it isn't really an official "word" like Trans-Dimensional or smth
The term is just a generic physics terms that doesn't has a specific meaning when used in general, you can't copyright something like that. You can trademark it, but that is a whole different thing.
 
The term is just a generic physics terms that doesn't has a specific meaning when used in general, you can't copyright something like that. You can trademark it, but that is a whole different thing.
Trademark was the word I was looking for.
Yeah that sounds about right. I remember when I used to put Solaris wayyy higher cause I took it literally (BDE anyone?)
 
As for the wiki I think what'll happen is either things stay about the same because a lot of franchises also have this type of stuff or downgrades happen but nothing too big, maybe low 1-C for the characters at max or removing tier 1 all together and going back to tier 2 max
Like doesn't God Of War also suffer this issue for example? I've seen how it pretty much gets memes on places like Reddit for how big it is on statements and the creator also having Kratos be weaker than fans have him as

That being said I'm not familiar with the GOW franchise nor its scaling so I could be completely wrong about everything
 
As for the wiki I think what'll happen is either things stay about the same because a lot of franchises also have this type of stuff or downgrades happen but nothing too big, maybe low 1-C for the characters at max or removing tier 1 all together and going back to tier 2 max
They can't exactly retcon the existence of the Infinite 4D Space in Maginaryworld and its temporal component, and they certainly can't retcon the Hypertimeline! That's something they brought upon themselves that they couldn't even change with a rewrite of the story!💀

I say we ignore most of it like we normally do.
 
Super Dimensional is sometimes a hype term to describe some things being super natural or from outer-space (obviously I'm not talking about Solaris here)
Ah! You reminded me, there was a Ship in Ninja Gaiden that was called Super/Hyper Dimensional in the game. But at most it was probably just shifting through higher dimensional places.
 
They can't exactly retcon the existence of the Infinite 4D Space in Maginaryworld and its temporal component, and they certainly can't retcon the Hypertimeline! That's something they brought upon themselves that they couldn't even change with a rewrite of the story!💀

I say we ignore most of it like we normally do.
Does the temporal component even count for Maginaryworld? It could very well just be a gameplay mechanic like how Shadow's White Space had timed challenges, and we know for a fact White Space has no such thing as time. We also don't know if it's definitively infinite, but I do agree it's def 4D

And the Hypertimeline thing was never an established thing in Sonic's lore
 
Sonic & Friends :whistle:
The games too, to be honest every media (with exceptions) makes their characters look grounded, with only instances of them being cosmic or more being specifc to final boss or climax.
You can watch 10 episodes of DBZ and you can came to the conclusion that they are grounded until that typical moment lately when the big baddie says they will destroy a celestial body.
 
Does the temporal component even count for Maginaryworld? It could very well just be a gameplay mechanic like how Shadow's White Space had timed challenges, and we know for a fact White Space has no such thing as time. We also don't know if it's definitively infinite, but I do agree it's def 4D

And the Hypertimeline thing was never an established thing in Sonic's lore
I think it's fun to interpret stuff that isn't explicitly mentioned in the Lore. But they are very much capable of retconning all of this.
 
The games too, to be honest every media (with exceptions) makes their characters look grounded, with only instances of them being cosmic or more being specifc to final boss or climax.
You can watch 10 episodes of DBZ and you can came to the conclusion that they are grounded until that typical moment lately when the big baddie says they will destroy a celestial body.
Cell's statement helped carried Dragon Ball powerscaling and we love him for it, thank you Cell ❤️
 
Does the temporal component even count for Maginaryworld? It could very well just be a gameplay mechanic like how Shadow's White Space had timed challenges, and we know for a fact White Space has no such thing as time. We also don't know if it's definitively infinite, but I do agree it's def 4D
We have entire pages dedicated to discussing that. If it was just a gameplay mechanic it wouldn't be accepted here. "Infinite" is in reference to the amount of dreams it contains.
And the Hypertimeline thing was never an established thing in Sonic's lore
Another reason they can't retcon it. They provided a bunch of stuff they didn't even know could lead to a Hypertimeline being made, and we simply took it, and made an argument out of it that was, not only accepted by the mods, but also defended in a 15 page war of words.
 
Personally don’t agree with the hypertime but 5-D is pretty solid I’d argue
Yeah I think Sonic characters being 5-D has solid evidence

RN I think one of the most reliable scaling is that Sonic characters are around tier 2 with Massively FTL+ speed, likely infinite to possibly immeasurable speeds
 
Yeah I think Sonic characters being 5-D has solid evidence

RN I think one of the most reliable scaling is that Sonic characters are around tier 2 with Massively FTL+ speed, likely infinite to possibly immeasurable speeds
Man forget that, downgrade everyone to Multi Continental with SoL for the Flynn Agenda ✅
 
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