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Demon Slayer Mark Multiplier

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This should be a pretty straightforward CRT. The Slayer Mark multiplier should be 100 times due to Tanjiro's own statement based off of needing 100 times the strength to decapitate Gyutaro during the Red Ligh District arc. Nah I'm just joking. The Slayer Mark should be a 4x multiplayer due to scaling to Zohakuten getting 4x stronger. This is only a CRT to get a multiplier for the mark. Any scaling based off of the multiplier will happen in a separate CRT if accepted.

Tanjiro has been shown being on par and comparable to Hantengu's emotion demons while he's in base.

Sekido proceeds to absorb the 3 other emotion demons, and all 4 emotion demons combine into 1, therefore getting 4x stronger. (Zohakuten getting 4x stronger due to them combining into one has been used and accepted for years)

Base Tanjiro initially started getting fear haxed by Zohakuten's battle spirit but then proceeds to become unaffected when he reactivates his Slayer Mark.

Tanjiro with his slayer mark is capable of cutting through Zohakuten's defensive Blood Demon Art that is meant to protect Hantengu at all cost, and decapitate Urami and Hantengu's necks. Hantengu's neck especially since he scales to Zohakuten as he's the main body. Keep in mind Genya barely did any damage to mini Hantengu despite damaging the emotion demons.

Marked Tanjiro has also been shown capable of blitzing the three emotion demons alongside using sun dragon halo head dance.

Above all else, the current profiles have base Tanjiro scaled to the emotion demons and Marked Tanjiro scaled to cutting Hantengu's neck

In conclusion, the Slayer Mark should be a 4x multiplier to all their stats due to base Tanjiro being on par and comparable to the emotion demons and can contend with a 4x stronger Zohakuten level BDA/Durability while marked.

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Nehz_XZX said:
Multipliers require direct statements. You can't use scaling to infer them.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Multipliers
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Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t multipliers that are below 100x not require direct statements or am I getting confused. Thought this was the case due to this. I’m not sure.
“ For lower multipliers, like things much less than times 100, evidence can take the form of a clear increase in combat strength against priorly equal or superior opponents” Which is basically Tanjiro matching Zohakuten who got 4X Stronger from his base matching the emotion demons. (4X Zohakuten was accepted and used for a while)

I Thought it was also a case by case since multipliers of 160,000 for like super saiyan god was achieved via scaling God Goku above a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito as a bare minimum with no direct statements of SSG’s multiplier.
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t multipliers that are below 100x not require direct statements or am I getting confused. Thought this was the case due to this. I’m not sure.
“ For lower multipliers, like things much less than times 100, evidence can take the form of a clear increase in combat strength against priorly equal or superior opponents” Which is basically Tanjiro matching Zohakuten who got 4X Stronger from his base matching the emotion demons. (4X Zohakuten was accepted and used for a while)

I Thought it was also a case by case since multipliers of 160,000 for like super saiyan god was achieved via scaling God Goku above a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito as a bare minimum with no direct statements of SSG’s multiplier.
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The way I interpret it you need a statement and then you look for matching evidence to back it up. If I'm not mistaken, then in Goku's case it's based on it already being established and accepted that these transformations work by multiplying power and that this is something that they would have in common.

"Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else."
 
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The way I interpret it you need a statement and then you look for matching evidence to back it up. If I'm not mistaken, then in Goku's case it's based on it already being established and accepted that these transformations work by multiplying power and that this is something that they would have in common.

"Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else."
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I interpreted the latter but I’m might be confused. Saw someone else interpreting it as such as well. In Goku’s case, the SSG multiplier was achieved via scaling God Goku to a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito. The 160K multiplier disregards the potara fusion potara which makes it way weaker and assumes God Goku and SSJ3 Vegito are equal as a lowball despite God Goku being superior to Vegito in every way during the arc. No direct statements of SSG’s multipliers existed and the current one is an accepted lowball.

In this case, the multiplier is just based on an accepted 4X that has been used for a while (the logic of 4X just being zohakuten combined 4 people into 1 instead of a statement). Tanjiro’s own direct statement of needing 100 times the strength to decapitate Gyutaro also shows that the mark multiplies power (although there’s barely any proof that the multiplier is 100 while the mark consistently matches someone that is 4X stronger).
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I interpreted the latter but I’m might be confused. Saw someone else interpreting it as such as well. In Goku’s case, the SSG multiplier was achieved via scaling God Goku to a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito. The 160K multiplier disregards the potara fusion potara which makes it way weaker and assumes God Goku and SSJ3 Vegito are equal as a lowball despite God Goku being superior to Vegito in every way during the arc. No direct statements of SSG’s multipliers existed and the current one is an accepted lowball.

In this case, the multiplier is just based on an accepted 4X that has been used for a while (the logic of 4X just being zohakuten combined 4 people into 1 instead of a statement). Tanjiro’s own direct statement of needing 100 times the strength to decapitate Gyutaro also shows that the mark multiplies power (although there’s barely any proof that the multiplier is 100 while the mark consistently matches someone that is 4X stronger).
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I'm not an expert regarding that case but if there's anything wrong there, then it can be fixed in a separate thread. My understanding here is that there have been repeated and consistent statements about the power multiplication in that series, so there shouldn't be an issue if everyone agrees that the corresponding multipliers stack on top of each other like that as a minimum based on the context.

That multiplier from Tanjiro's statement has never been applied to anyone other than Tanjiro in that specific key. It wouldn't make sense for Tanjiro to have knowledge of how the Demon Slayer Mark works if he wasn't even aware of it manifesting during the battle or it having that kind of ability. It was simply him performing a feat that he stated requires that much more power than he usually has.
 
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Nehz_XZX said:
I'm not an expert regarding that case but if there's anything wrong there, then it can be fixed in a separate thread. My understanding here is that there have been repeated and consistent statements about the power multiplication in that series, so there shouldn't be an issue if everyone agrees that the corresponding multipliers stack on top of each other like that as a minimum based on the context.

That multiplier from Tanjiro's statement has never been applied to anyone other than Tanjiro in that specific key. It wouldn't make sense for Tanjiro to have knowledge of how the Demon Slayer Mark works if he wasn't even aware of it manifesting during the battle or having that kind of ability. It was simply him performing a feat that he stated requires that much more power than he usually has.
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From what it looks like the theoretical multiplier just got accepted due to just using pre existing accepted multipliers to get a low ball multiplier by scaling SSG Goku to SSJ3 Vegito, even if the multiplier is weaker by potentially millions due to discarding a fusion multiplier and scaling them equally. The proposed slayer mark multiplier wasn’t an arbitrary number. The 4X is based on an accepted wiki value for Zohakuten. The mark consistently matches Zohakuten’s 4X boost from base.

Also do you actually need a direct statement that an ability multiplies their power? The criteria just says you need one if you’re trying to reason a multiplier from power levels or statistics. The mark is neither. I remember seeing a 5x multiplier being accepted despite the ability never being stated to multiply power. It was just stated that it stores kinetic energy and releases it. The multiplier was just reasoned because it stored up 5 punches (This is referring to Deku’s Fa Jin and this is also a low ball multiplier that was accepted since the multiplier can reach a one shot level). Unless this was different and a special occasion. I don’t see why the slayer mark would function abnormally considering Tanjiro loses his mark and reactivates the mark like 6 times in the same arc with all of them being a consistent 4X boost to Zohakuten’s 4X boost.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
From what it looks like the theoretical multiplier just got accepted due to just using pre existing accepted multipliers to get a low ball multiplier by scaling SSG Goku to SSJ3 Vegito, even if the multiplier is weaker by potentially millions due to discarding a fusion multiplier and scaling them equally. The proposed slayer mark multiplier wasn’t an arbitrary number. The 4X is based on an accepted wiki value for Zohakuten. The mark consistently matches Zohakuten’s 4X boost from base.

Also do you actually need a direct statement that an ability multiplies their power? The criteria just says you need one if you’re trying to reason a multiplier from power levels or statistics. The mark is neither. I remember seeing a 5x multiplier being accepted despite the ability never being stated to multiply power. It was just stated that it stores kinetic energy and releases it. The multiplier was just reasoned because it stored up 5 punches (This is referring to Deku’s Fa Jin and this is also a low ball multiplier that was accepted since the multiplier can reach a one shot level). Unless this was different and a special occasion. I don’t see why the slayer mark would function abnormally considering Tanjiro loses his mark and reactivates the mark like 6 times in the same arc with all of them being a consistent 4X boost to Zohakuten’s 4X boost.
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The preexisting multipliers have been accepted and one can reasonably presume that the evidence for each of them combined supports the theoretical multiplier with there only being context needed to justify why they are being stacked. I don't have a problem with that. Zohakuten's scaling is already accepted which means that it doesn't need to be discussed and that you don't need to convince me of it. You need to show me that the mark specifically multiplies power. Merely making a character stronger and scaling is not enough for that. What I need is the mechanics of the power increase.

The sentence literally says that that is an example and not that it is limited to that. I remember reading about Fa Jin. That multiplier makes sense because it is the same character stacking his own strength on top of each other multiple times. You don't need to prove that a character is as strong as themselves, so the 5 punches each have the same power and we know the mechanism through which they combine into an attack that is 5 times stronger. Zohakuten has been treated as 4 times stronger than the individual clones that he consists of because he has their combined power. That doesn't mean that anyone who scales to him gets the same multiplier for whatever power they use to fight him unless said power works the same way or is stated to work by multiplying by the same factor or something like that.
 
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