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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

I have to say, I really don't like those strict standards. I think it should be on a much more case-by-case basis, determined by their plot importance. We are already extremely inconsistent with actually listening to that rule anyway. There are several profiles with keys that do not have more than 15 appearances, and in all of those cases I think having those keys is justified.
 
I think that we can make some slight allowances for extreme plot importance, but this does not qualify as extreme plot importance, and two stories in which Captain America did not even use Mjolnir's powers are not significant at all. If we would allow every tiny insignificant appearance of a power-up, we would end up with extreme unreliability and statistics key overload. 🙏
 
I think that we can make some slight allowances for extreme plot importance, but this does not qualify as extreme plot importance, and two stories in which Captain America did not even use Mjolnir's powers are not significant at all. If we would allow every tiny insignificant appearance of a power-up, we would end up with extreme unreliability and statistics key overload. 🙏
Yeah, I feel like the rule should be keys are allowed only if they lasted for a long time or were extremely significant to the story they were in. Like Rune King Thor was only 1 issue, but is extremely instrumental to the story.
 
Just read Gwenpool, the entire story is how the writer can't control Gwenpool and even though he killed her she came back.
 
Question
What are 9B+ characters scaling?
So Daredevil first key talks about defeating Kingpin, who currently scales to 9-A, possibly 8-C (but says he's comparable to Daredevil) and Punisher who literally only scales to Daredevil.
I assume he's downscaling to this durability feat (being so close to the 9-A minimum), and that when fighting with characters comparable to him who damage him, he ends up scaling his own durability
but I'm not sure.

In that case, would someone who is canonically stronger than someone in that tier (and without any other valid scaling) scale directly to 9-A?
 
If Spider-Man gets a considerable increase in strength from this current arc, would he get another key ?
It depends on the amount of issues, but it can happen. The future revision I'm making of MK will have plenty of new keys since the character often grows stronger and weaker with different types of variable mechanics, feats, etc. So Spider-man, a character with 6x the amount of comics should also have multiple new keys.

Also how come several Spider-Men have the black suit in either P&A or statistics but 616 doesn't ?
I think it got taken down? It was during a very messy time, so if researched properly, it can come back.
 
Would anyone object to me taking Goofy's unfinished Marvel cosmology thread and just making a new CRT to continue where it left off, like what @Elizio33 did with Goofy's DC thread?

The thread was never actually rejected, Ultima will likely be gone for a while, and there's no reason to not just repeat what was successfully done with his DC thread
 
Would anyone object to me taking Goofy's unfinished Marvel cosmology thread and just making a new CRT to continue where it left off, like what @Elizio33 did with Goofy's DC thread?

The thread was never actually rejected, Ultima will likely be gone for a while, and there's no reason to not just repeat what was successfully done with his DC thread
I don't even know what he was doing but you do you.
 
Would anyone object to me taking Goofy's unfinished Marvel cosmology thread and just making a new CRT to continue where it left off, like what @Elizio33 did with Goofy's DC thread?

The thread was never actually rejected, Ultima will likely be gone for a while, and there's no reason to not just repeat what was successfully done with his DC thread
Did Elizio ask Goofy before doing it
 
Would anyone object to me taking Goofy's unfinished Marvel cosmology thread and just making a new CRT to continue where it left off, like what @Elizio33 did with Goofy's DC thread?

The thread was never actually rejected, Ultima will likely be gone for a while, and there's no reason to not just repeat what was successfully done with his DC thread
What was his thread on?
 
What was his thread on?
 
I would prefer if a trusted knowledgeable member such as Impress handles the Marvel Comics scaling, given that it is already insanely exaggerated as it is, and we do definitely not need a High 1-A Hulk. It would be beyond ridiculous. 🙏
 
I would prefer if a trusted knowledgeable member such as Impress handles the Marvel Comics scaling, given that it is already insanely exaggerated as it is, and we do definitely not need a High 1-A Hulk. It would be beyond ridiculous. 🙏
@The_Impress
 
I have a question! In Marvel Comics, why are the Gods so sinful? Since they are Gods, shouldn't they be able to tell from what is right and wrong? This question is coming from a Catholic's perspective by the way.
 
Because a lot of Marvel Comics writers are ideological atheists, or even amoral nihilists, who think that, for example, just because the Greek and Aztek gods were morally awful concepts, and the old testament Abrahamic interpretation of God was also extremely callous and ruthless, all religions must somehow automatically be morally awful, destructive, tyrannical, and invalid lies. 🙏
 
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I have a question! In Marvel Comics, why are the Gods so sinful? Since they are Gods, shouldn't they be able to tell from what is right and wrong? This question is coming from a Catholic's perspective by the way.
Because a lot of Marvel Comics writers are ideological atheists, or even amoral nihilists, who think that, for example, just because the Greek and Aztek gods were morally awful concepts, and the old testament Abrahamic interpretation of God was also extremely callous and ruthless, all religions must somehow automatically be morally awful, destructive, tyrannical, and invalid lies. 🙏
Tbh sinful gods have been a thing since the dawn of time, way earlier and especially far away from abrahamic religions.
Even when you strand out of the classic pantheons, you find lots of examples, of gods, spirits, manifestations etc.. that are shaped after humans themselves, and shaping purely righteous entities is a rather "modern" concept.

Also, sinful doesn't necessarily mean wrong and the interpretation of what is a sin is heavily malleable.
I don't want to spark a religious-ethical debate, but these claims are rather disingenous, with all due respect.
 
I would prefer if a trusted knowledgeable member such as Impress handles the Marvel Comics scaling, given that it is already insanely exaggerated as it is, and we do definitely not need a High 1-A Hulk. It would be beyond ridiculous. 🙏
Considering what role he holds in current marvel cosmology High 1-A is not exaggeration at all, also i can see him being top 3 in the verse right now 💀
 
Tbh sinful gods have been a thing since the dawn of time, way earlier and especially far away from abrahamic religions.
Even when you strand out of the classic pantheons, you find lots of examples, of gods, spirits, manifestations etc.. that are shaped after humans themselves, and shaping purely righteous entities is a rather "modern" concept.

Also, sinful doesn't necessarily mean wrong and the interpretation of what is a sin is heavily malleable.
I don't want to spark a religious-ethical debate, but these claims are rather disingenous, with all due respect.
The idea of a fully benevolent God is surprisingly new, huh?
 
The idea of a fully benevolent God is surprisingly new, huh?
Morality changed, that's all, God wiping out humanity was seen as something good by his worshippers as it was his will and therefore good. Meanwhile Greek gods were archetypes, superhumans in every sense and as humans they were sinful, overwhelmed and blinded by their own emotions equally or more than humans
 
Considering what role he holds in current marvel cosmology High 1-A is not exaggeration at all, also i can see him being top 3 in the verse right now 💀
Even if it's wanked or not, and it is. The problem will start all over again when a clearly weaker version than Hulk fight a stronger version of Thor, or vice versa. That's the problem when trying to scale dudes by just cross scaling everything, ignoring how consistent can be narratively.
 
Would anyone object to me taking Goofy's unfinished Marvel cosmology thread and just making a new CRT to continue where it left off, like what @Elizio33 did with Goofy's DC thread?

The thread was never actually rejected, Ultima will likely be gone for a while, and there's no reason to not just repeat what was successfully done with his DC thread
I've heard people are planning on merging DeMatteis' Cosmology with the Main one. is that still going to be a thing or ? Because there are comics connecting the two. I also have things I'd like to offer for the cosmology when it's time, because I've been on the hunt for stuff for a minute.
 
I've heard people are planning on merging DeMatteis' Cosmology with the Main one. is that still going to be a thing or ? Because there are comics connecting the two. I also have things I'd like to offer for the cosmology when it's time, because I've been on the hunt for stuff for a minute.
That'll probably happen first since I have other plans.

Modern Marvel guidebooks do seem to somewhat reference the Demattis cosmology, particularly the Defenders Vol 3 series.
 
Marvel.com also directly references Daydreamers for Franklin as an official part of Franklin's story. Hulk 2099 refers to the sequel of Man-Thing's stories that was only put in the guidebooks and on marvunapp. Also in the guidebooks too, so it is really difficult to ignore, especially considering DeMatteis stated he never intended for his comics to be non-canon and at the time they were made they were canon, as a result there is more for it than against it so far.

That'll probably happen first since I have other plans.

Modern Marvel guidebooks do seem to somewhat reference the Demattis cosmology, particularly the Defenders Vol 3 series.
 
DeMatteis uses Hindu cosmology, whereas the other authors use their own made-up cosmology with different power hierarchies, including regarding Oblovion. Their cosmologies are not compatible even if parts of DeMatteis' stories are canon. 🙏
 
DeMatteis uses Hindu cosmology, whereas the other authors use their own made-up cosmology with different power hierarchies, including regarding Oblovion. Their cosmologies are not compatible even if parts of DeMatteis' stories are canon. 🙏
Why is it that the author was inspired by Hinduism should be reason to split? Yes, current cosmology writer uses terms from Kabbalah, but he also knowledgeable in Buddhism.
And about hierarchies, Dematteis have individual hierarchy of dreams, multiversal hierarchy of dreams, worlds within worlds and hierarchy of dreams above multiverse. Multiversal hierarchy and worlds within worlds was created by Steve Gerber and Dematteis itself expands Gerber cosmology, he even write same runs as Gerber. And Al Ewing is also inspired by Gerber works and in interviews says what he read all his runs. And three of them worked on same series (Defenders). Dreams above multiverse can be layers of mystery, in Dematteis works it was heavy implied what Fallen stars and Scrier far above abstracts and they stated to be older than multiverse + Dematteis wrote in twitter what nexus includes realities outside multiverse
 
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