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Dragon Ball - Many Minor Revisions

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Large Size King Cold​

For King Cold:

Massively FTL+ Jaco​

Jaco has perception speed even greater than Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo as self-evident in the Universe 6 tournament:

(Chapters 10 & 12)

That's it we just upgrade him to MFTL+ perception speed.

EDIT: Alternatively, Cryo proposed an alternative justification for Jaco's perception speed in the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Arc.

Daima Fixes​

  • The Daima profiles (minus Goku) have incorrect ratings but it's still minor, all the profiles should be "At least 4-B" to match with that of Goku's profile and the other Buu Saga characters they scale over.
  • Additionally it should be noted that their MFTL+ speeds are only in relation to combat speed, since atp the characters still don't have overall MFTL+ speed.
  • LS is also outdated with the characters still being at Class M, but that'll be fixed in the next segment.
  • Vegeta's P&A section should be modified to be similar to Goku's, which only links back to his previous profile and then only lists his new abilities.
  • All the new Daima profiles should have Dimensional Travel, Sound Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation & Portal Creation from the ki page listed in them, due to them all being in that range of power.

Lifting Strength​

Many profiles (outside of Gokus) still don't have Goku's Class G feat in the Frieza Saga. So anyone with Class M/Unknown ratings, who scales above above Goku (Frieza Fight) should be "At least Class G".

Additionally, amplifications like the Super Saiyan forms and ki boosts (like Kaioken) in general should also be listed as a higher rating for LS, due to being said to be strength increases (or power/ki increases which then by extension influences one's strength), and having direct showings of increasing one's lifting strength:
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I'm not proposing any direct multipliers for these ratings, only to list these power-ups as higher ratings. This only concerns profiles in the Manga, Kai/Anime and Daima continuities.

EDIT: Also Zeno doesn't upscale from Base ToP Goku's Class T feat? That should be fixed, he is still stated to be so far above everyone else in the verse in strength, we shouldn't assume LS is the exception.

Small Ginyu Issue​

Ginyu has a key of him possessing Tagoma's body, which is pretty bad since he's meant to be a manga profile and Tagoma's profile is an anime one (even worse, only in the anime continuity does Ginyu ever posses him), so just that needs to be removed.

That's about it, again nothing major just fixes and minor additions to the profiles. References for the scans will be added in post ofc.

Agree: LuffyRuffy46307, DarkDragonMedeus, CelestialVortex01, CryoTheMayo, Treeztarz, Vietthai96, AwkguyDB, CastoriceTheFifth, SonGoku_9377, Anonymous_Learner, LephyrTheRevanchist, UnoRebaixadO,
Nierre

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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In the case of Jaco, actually, it was because the poison needle was tiny. Nothing to do with perception speed. And his eyes were more or less more precise and his vision was more microscopic compared to everyone else.

But the rest look pretty good; even if using the PIS scene rubs me the wrong way.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
In the case of Jaco, actually, it was because the poison needle was tiny. Nothing to do with perception speed. And his eyes were more or less more precise and his vision was more microscopic compared to everyone else.
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I'd say that the fact he can even use his microscopic vision in these MFTL+ fights should be enough to grant him that speed rating, but that'd also apply almost the rest of the cast too which is another can of worms so I'll pass it up
DarkDragonMedeus said:
But the rest look pretty good; even if using the PIS scene rubs me the wrong way.
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The feat on its own is weird but it still establishes that there's a difference between base and SSJ
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
In the case of Jaco, actually, it was because the poison needle was tiny. Nothing to do with perception speed. And his eyes were more or less more precise and his vision was more microscopic compared to everyone else.

But the rest look pretty good; even if using the PIS scene rubs me the wrong way.
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I'll just throw this in.

Jaco can clearly perceive the movements of Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku while Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo cannot.

So Jaco's perception speed very clearly scales far above SSB-level fighters like Gohan (who defeated Super Saiyan Kefla and fought OG-73 multiple times) and can even clearly perceive Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku's movements when SSB-level fighters cannot.

In short, Jaco's Perception Speed should be MFTL+ via being able to track and comprehend the movements of UIS Goku when God-level characters cannot.
 
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everything seems fine but you should probably use either one more or another piece of evidence to support the jaco stuff. Everything else is pretty "obvious" for lack of a better term
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I'll just throw this in.

Jaco can clearly perceive the movements of Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku while Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo cannot.

So Jaco's perception speed very clearly scales far above SSB-level fighters like Gohan (who defeated Super Saiyan Kefla and fought OG-73 multiple times) and can even clearly perceive Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku's movements when SSB-level fighters cannot.

In short, Jaco's Perception Speed should be MFTL+ via being able to track and comprehend the movements of UIS Goku when God-level characters cannot.
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That is at least a better reason. I was pointing out that Frost not really moving much and the tiny poison needle being visible to Jaco but not anybody else wasn't much of a speed perception feat. Being able to see UIS Goku's movement when Gohan and Piccolo couldn't is a better justification, so I can be on board with an agreement regarding that.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I'll just throw this in.

Jaco can clearly perceive the movements of Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku while Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo cannot.

So Jaco's perception speed very clearly scales far above SSB-level fighters like Gohan (who defeated Super Saiyan Kefla and fought OG-73 multiple times) and can even clearly perceive Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku's movements when SSB-level fighters cannot.

In short, Jaco's Perception Speed should be MFTL+ via being able to track and comprehend the movements of UIS Goku when God-level characters cannot.
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This is wild.
 
sigh, anyway, since this thread is pretty minor, i'm fine with this

also
CryoTheMayo said:
I'll just throw this in.

Jaco can clearly perceive the movements of Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku while Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo cannot.

So Jaco's perception speed very clearly scales far above SSB-level fighters like Gohan (who defeated Super Saiyan Kefla and fought OG-73 multiple times) and can even clearly perceive Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku's movements when SSB-level fighters cannot.

In short, Jaco's Perception Speed should be MFTL+ via being able to track and comprehend the movements of UIS Goku when God-level characters cannot.
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Should use this justification for Jaco instead since it is more reasonable than using the one from U6 vs U7 arc
 
CelestialVortex01 said:
Agree with this, and pretty much everything else, Good j*b!
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Agreeing with a self-banned user is funni

But yeah, agreed, specially after this:
CryoTheMayo said:
I'll just throw this in.

Jaco can clearly perceive the movements of Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku while Ultimate Gohan and Piccolo cannot.

So Jaco's perception speed very clearly scales far above SSB-level fighters like Gohan (who defeated Super Saiyan Kefla and fought OG-73 multiple times) and can even clearly perceive Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku's movements when SSB-level fighters cannot.

In short, Jaco's Perception Speed should be MFTL+ via being able to track and comprehend the movements of UIS Goku when God-level characters cannot.
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This can be applied now btw
 
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