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Emiya (Archer) vs Shion (Wicked Oni key)

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Can we get some more variety
 
Soooo the nasuverse invul only applies to in-universe now? And just about every other verse can damage them?
(Not joining the overall convo, I know jack shit about either of them)
 
Soooo the nasuverse invul only applies to in-universe now? And just about every other verse can damage them?
(Not joining the overall convo, I know jack shit about either of them)
I can give details about Shuna, but regarding the invulnerability, it is still functional, but only to non-supernatural physical attacks. (and is no longer considered 4D)
 
(For notice, while Shuna has strong hax, she has minimal combat experience and no actual fighting potential outside of her magic and skills.

(Though her analysis will still allow her to get a read on her oponent and with her intelect she can still fight, like she knows what she is doing.
 
(For notice, while Shuna has strong hax, she has minimal combat experience and no actual fighting potential outside of her magic and skills.

(Though her analysis will still allow her to get a read on her oponent and with her intelect she can still fight, like she knows what she is doing.
May I remind you of the massive AP and Dura gap as well as Shuna resisting almost all hax Archer can throw at her? And I don't even take into account the AE and tensura's magic and skills
 
He won't, but I do believe he should have some wincons, otherwise I would have to switch it up to someone like Shion
Shuna would still win 9 out of 10 times. So yeah, I think you should replace the character.

Also, I don’t see any resistance to power null on Emiya’s profile. Never mind, seems like ni one has added it to her profile.
 
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May I remind you of the massive AP and Dura gap as well as Shuna resisting almost all hax Archer can throw at her? And I don't even take into account the AE and tensura's magic and skills
AP shouldn't be a thing (Disintegration has durability null), and the Durability should not scale to the AP.
 
Precognition and psychometry, but mostly I see power mimicry (though I don’t know much about Fate, so I’m not sure if that bypasses Shion’s defenses or not).
Resistance to power mimicry says hi. Plus it doesn't help that Shion can literally rewrite the result of her attack and even if he dodges, she just can say "no, you didn't" and make it land. And then the 20 time AP difference says hi
 
Resistance to power mimicry says hi. Plus it doesn't help that Shion can literally rewrite the result of her attack and even if he dodges, she just can say "no, you didn't" and make it land. And then the 20 time AP difference says hi
Yeah, I think you are right.
 
Resistance to power mimicry says hi. Plus it doesn't help that Shion can literally rewrite the result of her attack and even if he dodges, she just can say "no, you didn't" and make it land. And then the 20 time AP difference says hi
@Dark_Soul20189 quick. Don’t let the goat get cooked!!! Use this Emiya!!

 
@Dark_Soul20189 quick. Don’t let the goat get cooked!!! Use this Emiya!!

As strange as it might sound... I still think Shion would stomp the hell out of this
 
I love how Shuna deletes this outdated profile from existence as a starting move.

Friendly reminder that EMIYA's profile is shitty enough that the 'canon' crossover with HSR doesn't even use his ******* PnA for it! Do not use this profile for anything.
The HSR does use his PnA. Its just that the HSR version looks like this (Multiple nasu supporters helped me fix his profile)

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And not this pile of ass

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Oh yeah more justifications now like this one
 
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@Dark_Soul20189 quick. Don’t let the goat get cooked!!! Use this Emiya!!

Changed it to this (Used the fate one due to the servant physiology to make it more far, but eh.
 
Changed it to this (Used the fate one due to the servant physiology to make it more far, but eh.
The servant physiology still applies to either one tbf. HSR Lancer still went spirit form. It’s just that the profile warns about how dookie the physiology page is.

you know the verse is so outdated that its better to use the crossover ones than the main ones.
The collab profiles eclipsing the main profiles has to be the most tragic shit ever.
 
Changed it to this (Used the fate one due to the servant physiology to make it more far, but eh.
So... I kinda didn't want to start off with this previously, but here we are..

How is he going to deal with this
There is also Low-Godly regen and AE1 on CM1, IM2 and Law
 
So... I kinda didn't want to start off with this previously, but here we are..

How is he going to deal with this

There is also Low-Godly regen and AE1 on CM1, IM2 and Law
Simple actually, does hax are properties of her skills and magic, he doesn't need to deal with them, as long as he can dodge her attacks (That are mainly melee, or shooting sword aura)'

The main thing to would be an issue is the casualty manipulation, and the regen.

Luckily for us, due to how bad the Servant page is, he can negate regeneration. (And yes, this includes IM 2 and CM 1)
 
Lukily for us, due to how bad the Servant page is, he can negate regeneration. (And yes, this includes IM 2 and CM 1)
Also as far as I'm concerned, their regen negation works by overwriting causality, which Shion is definitely more proficient in, so I don't think this will work
 
So basically, I have created a matchup where the first person that lands a hit wins.... How fun....

he has no way to permanently kill her
I have already explained how this is wrong, but only due to how bad the profile is...
So yeah, they both have a wincon.
 
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