Breaking Bond (Mario and Luigi Brothership 2-B (at least 2-C) CRT)

[Armorchompy]

"Definitely"? Listen, I get Armorchompy liked your comment and all that but...

I don't really know what you think you're doing (I don't care to have an opinion on this topic, if I did I would've said so myself), but I think you should stop.

This time, can you guys just. Listen? I'm not sure if either of you really understand how this Japanese interpretation stuff even really works.

I don't really care if you're crashing out over people not agreeing with the latest thing you've come up with, but don't make it other people's problem and stop being condescending.

"Oh Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony (W show), you and your friends have the magic of friendship in the form of the Elements of Harmony, ranging from Tier 2-A to Low 1-C, but WATCH OUT, you're dealing with the average school bully! He's a mass of pure mean energy and the embodiment of meanness, and as someone with 5 P.H.D.s and a doctorate, I mean that metaphorically, so be on guard!"

What are you even talking about?

 

[Galactidot]

I don't really know what you think you're doing (I don't care to have an opinion on this topic, if I did I would've said so myself), but I think you should stop.

You liked the comment.

I don't really care if you're crashing out over people not agreeing with the latest thing you've come up with, but don't make it other people's problem and stop being condescending.

Okay but it's called "refuting an argument", not crashing out. This is an inherently evidence-based thread, isn't it? If someone makes a statement, I have the right to counter it. Don't come over here acting like I did something. But I will apologize for claiming neither of you know how Japanese interpretations work. I could've certainly worded that nicer. @Hypertornado099 @Armorchompy

What are you even talking about?

Its a hypothetical example as to how the counterargument in question falls apart. Of how it implies that there's no sense in ignoring a statement from a character who is currently lore-dumping...

And how it makes no sense for Shun to use Reclusa merely being a loner as the primary reason for caution to the Bros.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Unless you want the previous sentence for context?

Yeah,

You liked the comment.

please with every fiber in my body pay attention to your crt rather than scalerbuddy123 liking a comment Im not sure why youre so fixated on that.

 

[Galactidot]

Yeah,

please with every fiber in my body pay attention to your crt rather than scalerbuddy123 liking a comment Im not sure why youre so fixated on that.

Yeah sorry, I took it as Armor agreeing with the statement... That's usually what a like means, guess it's not the same here... sorry

 

[Hypertornado099]

He's very possibly abstract. Being "a loner" doesn't grant you the power to control loneliness on a multiversal scale.

Scan for him controlling Glohm on a multiversal scale?

"Embodiment of loneliness" is just a literal scientist saying what he is. It's like looking at Stanford Pines call Bill a "Dream Demon" and just saying "oh so it's like a speed demon so he has cool dreams"

Being a scientist doesn't mean your statements cannot be metaphoric btw

 

[Galactidot]

Scan for him controlling Glohm on a multiversal scale?

This. Keep in mind we also have dream worlds he can affect too within each world. He has done this hundreds of times. He spawns in as an egg, and is summoned once enough loneliness fills the world. He can control people and make deals inside the egg (Bill Cipher energy)

Being a scientist doesn't mean your statements cannot be metaphoric btw

Very much so. However, given the context, he'd have no reason to be metaphoric, as he's telling the Bros. WHY Reclusa is a threat here. Him being a loner isn't a reason. Him being the embodiment of loneliness and controlling it on a whim is.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Galactidot]

Okay but seriously can we please address this

Dreamy Bowser's scaling is based off of him scaling to the Dream Stone after combining with it, and the idea that he'd have control over and scale to all of these universes, which is never explicitly stated.

For Reclusa, all of the holes in Dreamy Bowser's argument are rectified. He controls all of this in a nigh-omnipresent manner, can actually manipulate them, and scales to them. I'm starting to notice a sudden change in track from this to whether or not the Dream worlds are destroyed, which not only shouldn't be required based off of the Dream Stone's scaling (If it was, we'd just write off 2-B due to all of the dreams powering it activating at different times, as the Dream Beats made everyone fall asleep even more spread out than Reclusa's flowers), but is implied anyways.

The whole aspect of the Dream Stone's charging also happens with Reclusa! He manifests himself as an egg, and absorbs the power of the Glohm in the universe in order to manifest his physical form. Isn't this just the game telling us that all of that Glohm that creates all of these worlds scales to him? His dream world creation is a direct feat.

Reclusa's Dream worlds spread across the infinite universe, which is far more of a spread than just an island. Dreamy Bowser, I'll also acknowledge, has no feats. Reclusa has consistent statements of destroying previous universes he was summoned into, being adjacent to (and stronger) than all of that Glohm produced through power plants, loneliness, and other means, which he gathers from across the universe.

How come this:

1. Egg of solitude manifests in universe of his choosing
2. Absorb loneliness from across the universe to manifest a physical form
3. Take over everything in seconds and create the Soli-tree, a construct connected to him that he scales to (and even surpasses) he created using his power and his alone
4. Use this construct to send everyone into custom dream worlds that either are created from scratch or completely recreate the existing construct
5. The game tells us multiple times he has done this before and succeeded
6. Everyone, which exceeds 98 million, dies, he pulls the plug on the universe, and continues the infinite cycle.
7. Only loses due to underestimating the Bros. and toying with them, and underestimating the Bros. amp from the strongest bonds across the universe.

Gets treated as 6-A


While this:

1. Eat Dream Stone containing 100,000 universes he didn't create or show strength comparing to even once
2. Perform no feats whatsoever
3. Unclear he scales to it
4. Gets beaten up by Mario and Luigi in base form
5. Throws up the Dream Stone and loses

Gets treated as 2-B?


He used loneliness from across the universe (mere playsets to him), created dreams with them, yet he doesn't scale to them?

There is, to be frank, no reason Reclusa doesn't get 2-B that I have seen so far that doesn't get immediately contradicted by the verdict on Dreamy Bowser.

He has done what was theorized for Dreamy Bowser, succeeded where Dreamy Bowser failed, and has feats to back it all up --- make it make sense.

 

[OrangeFR]

Okay but seriously can we please address this

Dreamy Bowser's scaling is based off of him scaling to the Dream Stone after combining with it, and the idea that he'd have control over and scale to all of these universes, which is never explicitly stated.

For Reclusa, all of the holes in Dreamy Bowser's argument are rectified. He controls all of this in a nigh-omnipresent manner, can actually manipulate them, and scales to them. I'm starting to notice a sudden change in track from this to whether or not the Dream worlds are destroyed, which not only shouldn't be required based off of the Dream Stone's scaling (If it was, we'd just write off 2-B due to all of the dreams powering it activating at different times, as the Dream Beats made everyone fall asleep even more spread out than Reclusa's flowers), but is implied anyways.

The whole aspect of the Dream Stone's charging also happens with Reclusa! He manifests himself as an egg, and absorbs the power of the Glohm in the universe in order to manifest his physical form. Isn't this just the game telling us that all of that Glohm that creates all of these worlds scales to him? His dream world creation is a direct feat.

Reclusa's Dream worlds spread across the infinite universe, which is far more of a spread than just an island. Dreamy Bowser, I'll also acknowledge, has no feats. Reclusa has consistent statements of destroying previous universes he was summoned into, being adjacent to (and stronger) than all of that Glohm produced through power plants, loneliness, and other means, which he gathers from across the universe.

How come this:

1. Egg of solitude manifests in universe of his choosing
2. Absorb loneliness from across the universe to manifest a physical form
3. Take over everything in seconds and create the Soli-tree, a construct connected to him that he scales to (and even surpasses) he created using his power and his alone
4. Use this construct to send everyone into custom dream worlds that either are created from scratch or completely recreate the existing construct
5. The game tells us multiple times he has done this before and succeeded
6. Everyone, which exceeds 98 million, dies, he pulls the plug on the universe, and continues the infinite cycle.
7. Only loses due to underestimating the Bros. and toying with them, and underestimating the Bros. amp from the strongest bonds across the universe.

Gets treated as 6-A


While this:

1. Eat Dream Stone containing 100,000 universes he didn't create or show strength comparing to even once
2. Perform no feats whatsoever
3. Unclear he scales to it
4. Gets beaten up by Mario and Luigi in base form
5. Throws up the Dream Stone and loses

Gets treated as 2-B?


He used loneliness from across the universe (mere playsets to him), created dreams with them, yet he doesn't scale to them?

There is, to be frank, no reason Reclusa doesn't get 2-B that I have seen so far that doesn't get immediately contradicted by the verdict on Dreamy Bowser.

He has done what was theorized for Dreamy Bowser, succeeded where Dreamy Bowser failed, and has feats to back it all up --- make it make sense.

Mfs are allergic to base Mario being anywhere near the goat extrahyperoutermeganalversal sonic

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

I believe I already agreed before, but Galactidot's explanation has convinced me even more that 2-B is appropriate.

 

[Armorchompy]

Okay but seriously can we please address this

Dreamy Bowser's scaling is based off of him scaling to the Dream Stone after combining with it, and the idea that he'd have control over and scale to all of these universes, which is never explicitly stated.

For Reclusa, all of the holes in Dreamy Bowser's argument are rectified. He controls all of this in a nigh-omnipresent manner, can actually manipulate them, and scales to them. I'm starting to notice a sudden change in track from this to whether or not the Dream worlds are destroyed, which not only shouldn't be required based off of the Dream Stone's scaling (If it was, we'd just write off 2-B due to all of the dreams powering it activating at different times, as the Dream Beats made everyone fall asleep even more spread out than Reclusa's flowers), but is implied anyways.

The whole aspect of the Dream Stone's charging also happens with Reclusa! He manifests himself as an egg, and absorbs the power of the Glohm in the universe in order to manifest his physical form. Isn't this just the game telling us that all of that Glohm that creates all of these worlds scales to him? His dream world creation is a direct feat.

Reclusa's Dream worlds spread across the infinite universe, which is far more of a spread than just an island. Dreamy Bowser, I'll also acknowledge, has no feats. Reclusa has consistent statements of destroying previous universes he was summoned into, being adjacent to (and stronger) than all of that Glohm produced through power plants, loneliness, and other means, which he gathers from across the universe.

How come this:

1. Egg of solitude manifests in universe of his choosing
2. Absorb loneliness from across the universe to manifest a physical form
3. Take over everything in seconds and create the Soli-tree, a construct connected to him that he scales to (and even surpasses) he created using his power and his alone
4. Use this construct to send everyone into custom dream worlds that either are created from scratch or completely recreate the existing construct
5. The game tells us multiple times he has done this before and succeeded
6. Everyone, which exceeds 98 million, dies, he pulls the plug on the universe, and continues the infinite cycle.
7. Only loses due to underestimating the Bros. and toying with them, and underestimating the Bros. amp from the strongest bonds across the universe.

Gets treated as 6-A


While this:

1. Eat Dream Stone containing 100,000 universes he didn't create or show strength comparing to even once
2. Perform no feats whatsoever
3. Unclear he scales to it
4. Gets beaten up by Mario and Luigi in base form
5. Throws up the Dream Stone and loses

Gets treated as 2-B?


He used loneliness from across the universe (mere playsets to him), created dreams with them, yet he doesn't scale to them?

There is, to be frank, no reason Reclusa doesn't get 2-B that I have seen so far that doesn't get immediately contradicted by the verdict on Dreamy Bowser.

He has done what was theorized for Dreamy Bowser, succeeded where Dreamy Bowser failed, and has feats to back it all up --- make it make sense.

The issues remain the same as usual. Reclusa isn't doing the multiversal stuff directly, but through the dreams of the people he captures. Re-summarizing the arguments doesn't change that fact, which you don't even really address at all here (Though it may seem like it does, given how generalized the summary is, to those who haven't kept up with it).

I'm not even going to bother restating my reasons for disagreeing, the discussion has been had repeatedly and we're basically both just stonewalling each other at this point. Frankly you make a good case as to why Dreamy Bowser should be downgraded, although I don't really think that's a topic for this thread (Or one I have personal interest in pursuing, though you're welcome to).

I honestly think this thread should be closed. No real agreement has been made, staff are barely commenting (and it is very unlikely that any who do have actually read the whole discussion), and the needle hasn't shifted for months. It's just a pointless back and forth.

I believe I already agreed before, but Galactidot's explanation has convinced me even more that 2-B is appropriate.

Could you please explain why this explanation doesn't just run into the previous concerns I brought up, or why you disagree with them?

 

[Galactidot]

The issues remain the same as usual. Reclusa isn't doing the multiversal stuff directly, but through the dreams of the people he captures. Re-summarizing the arguments doesn't change that fact, which you don't even really address at all here (Though it may seem like it does, given how generalized the summary is, to those who haven't kept up with it).

I'm not even going to bother restating my reasons for disagreeing, the discussion has been had repeatedly and we're basically both just stonewalling each other at this point. Frankly you make a good case as to why Dreamy Bowser should be downgraded, although I don't really think that's a topic for this thread (Or one I have personal interest in pursuing, though you're welcome to).

We have 3 votes.

I'm starting to realize the argument isn't stonewalling. You're at this point attempting to proclaim you're the only staff member here who knows the discussion in an attempt to invalidate all other opinions. 3 votes are needed to close a thread with a yes.

I honestly think this thread should be closed. No real agreement has been made, staff are barely commenting (and it is very unlikely that any who do have actually read the whole discussion), and the needle hasn't shifted for months. It's just a pointless back and forth.

The whole idea of stating that everyone but you hasn't read the whole conversation and doesn't know what they're talking about is pretty wild. All of you put in the same effort in reading these CRTs.

But you're right. I can't stop you from disagreeing. This thread should be closed.
You know why?
We already got the three votes we need.

It should be closed. How do I go about this?

 

[JPTheGamer]

Come on, let's not rush things; maybe we can let FinePoint address his arguments first.

 

[Galactidot]

Come on, let's not rush things; maybe we can let FinePoint address his arguments first.

Yeah, let's not end this quite yet

 

[JJSliderman]

I think either Reclusa should be 2-B or Dreamy Bowser becomes just massively upscaling base Bowser, moreso leaning the former because it’s established you can take real elements out of dreams in both cases to establish them being legitimate worlds.

 

[FinePoint]

Could you please explain why this explanation doesn't just run into the previous concerns I brought up, or why you disagree with them?

Could you be more specific?

 

[Armorchompy]

We have 3 votes.

I'm starting to realize the argument isn't stonewalling. You're at this point attempting to proclaim you're the only staff member here who knows the discussion in an attempt to invalidate all other opinions. 3 votes are needed to close a thread with a yes.

I can't help but notice that you cropped DDM's argument, because you didn't want people reading this to realize that he isn't in favor of the 2-B scaling to Reclusa's physicals, and believes it's a chain reaction. ActuallySpaceMan similarly rescinded his agreement to only apply in a limited, conditional way. I have already called you out for incorrectly listing votes as agreements so I can only assume that pretending these are both unconditional agreements is purposeful obfuscation.

Could you be more specific?

I have previously argued that Reclusa's dream universes are created not through direct reality warping, but by affecting the minds of those he captures with his Dream Flowers. Galactidot's newest summary, which you have agreed to, didn't really address this issue, which has been debated at length for the last few pages.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Can my vote be changed to neutral please?

 

[Galactidot]

I can't help but notice that you cropped DDM's argument, because you didn't want people reading this to realize that he isn't in favor of the 2-B scaling to Reclusa's physicals, and believes it's a chain reaction. ActuallySpaceMan similarly rescinded his agreement to only apply in a limited, conditional way. I have already called you out for incorrectly listing votes as agreements so I can only assume that pretending these are both unconditional agreements is purposeful obfuscation.

Oh actually that's the wrong message you think I cropped. Here's this message in its entirety.

I wasn't obscuring anything. Tell me where you see the word "physical" in here. Don't you try and accuse me of anything like that.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

can't help but notice that you cropped DDM's argument, because you didn't want people reading this to realize that he isn't in favor of the 2-B scaling to Reclusa's physicals, and believes it's a chain reaction. ActuallySpaceMan similarly rescinded his agreement to only apply in a limited, conditional way. I have already called you out for incorrectly listing votes as agreements so I can only assume that pretending these are both unconditional agreements is purposeful obfuscation.

That's what I said a long time ago, and more so based on if we solely used the sources the OP gathered. I agree the organization of the OP wasn't the most strongly presented. The OP probably should have saved the nature of how Glohm works for later and first focus on whether power of Bonds meets UES criteria before tackling Glohm.

However, there was some news offsite. There are apparently other grounds or reasons and some consideration of Dream Team cast getting upgrades. As well as other lore details about Zeekeeper; and it's implied Reclusa is someone even Zeekeeper wouldn't be powerful enough to defeat. But the thread got quite messy as it did. I personally think the best approach would be to close this thread and start a new one with the better arguments and finer details.

 

[Galactidot]

That's what I said a long time ago, and more so based on if we solely used the sources the OP gathered. I agree the organization of the OP wasn't the most strongly presented. The OP probably should have saved the nature of how Glohm works for later and first focus on whether power of Bonds meets UES criteria before tackling Glohm.

However, there was some news offsite. There are apparently other grounds or reasons and some consideration of Dream Team cast getting upgrades. As well as other lore details about Zeekeeper; and it's implied Reclusa is someone even Zeekeeper wouldn't be powerful enough to defeat. But the thread got quite messy as it did. I personally think the best approach would be to close this thread and start a new one with the better arguments and finer details.

Yeah, I honestly agree atp, let's start anew

 

[JPTheGamer]

I have previously argued that Reclusa's dream universes are created not through direct reality warping, but by affecting the minds of those he captures with his Dream Flowers.

If that's the case, could we give Reclusa 2-B via Mind Manipulation/Dream Manipulation/Dream Flowers?

 

[Armorchompy]

However, there was some news offsite. There are apparently other grounds or reasons and some consideration of Dream Team cast getting upgrades. As well as other lore details about Zeekeeper; and it's implied Reclusa is someone even Zeekeeper wouldn't be powerful enough to defeat. But the thread got quite messy as it did. I personally think the best approach would be to close this thread and start a new one with the better arguments and finer details.

I would oppose the creation of a new thread if it's just essentially attempting to re-sell the arguments in this one (given they've been debated pretty thoroughly already), but obviously if there's other things people wanna argue (and this sounds like an entirely different topic) they're welcome to. I would appreciate being notified for it.

 

[Galactidot]

I would oppose the creation of a new thread if it's just essentially attempting to re-sell the arguments in this one (given they've been debated pretty thoroughly already), but obviously if there's other things people wanna argue (and this sounds like an entirely different topic) they're welcome to. I would appreciate being notified for it.

Well we are going to be going over trying to get this finished overall (I wouldn't consider one hard disagree to be "thoroughly debated") but yeah, we will notify you, but I'm not going to close this thread only to be told I can't revisit these points.

 

[Galactidot]

If that's the case, could we give Reclusa 2-B via Mind Manipulation/Dream Manipulation/Dream Flowers?

Things might get even more insane with the next CRT, but I'd argue this to be a worthwhile temporary solution, considering this is for now unquestionable and agreed upon.

 

[FinePoint]

I have previously argued that Reclusa's dream universes are created not through direct reality warping, but by affecting the minds of those he captures with his Dream Flowers. Galactidot's newest summary, which you have agreed to, didn't really address this issue, which has been debated at length for the last few pages.

From what I recall the 'how' wasn't clear either way, so on that basis I wouldn't mind if it was a 'possibly' instead.

 

[Armorchompy]

If that's the case, could we give Reclusa 2-B via Mind Manipulation/Dream Manipulation/Dream Flowers?

I would still disagree with this. The creation of universes via dreams isn't an exclusive thing Reclusa can do. Anyone would have a Low 2-C rating by dreaming following this logic, Reclusa is the only one who can affect other people's dreams.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

If that's the case, could we give Reclusa 2-B via Mind Manipulation/Dream Manipulation/Dream Flowers?

That would more so be Multiversal statistic in the range section rather than AP/Tier.

 

[JJSliderman]

I guess it’s possible to give him 2-B via creation? Cuz all the evidence seems to suggest he is creating tangible dream worlds, and these dreams don’t seem to be connected to Dream depot.

 

[Cropfist]

I disagree with the upgrades, it seems like a chain reaction mechanic

 

[JPTheGamer]

I guess it’s possible to give him 2-B via creation? Cuz all the evidence seems to suggest he is creating tangible dream worlds, and these dreams don’t seem to be connected to Dream depot.

I would still disagree with this. The creation of universes via dreams isn't an exclusive thing Reclusa can do. Anyone would have a Low 2-C rating by dreaming following this logic, Reclusa is the only one who can affect other people's dreams.

That would more so be Multiversal statistic in the range section rather than AP/Tier.

2-B via Creation, then?

 

[Armorchompy]

2-B via Creation, then?

we literally both said we disagree with it

 

[Da3ggman]

I'm personally siding with the OP right now, but I'd be down with a possibly as well.

 

[Galactidot]

I would still disagree with this. The creation of universes via dreams isn't an exclusive thing Reclusa can do. Anyone would have a Low 2-C rating by dreaming following this logic, Reclusa is the only one who can affect other people's dreams.

This is true, but Reclusa is taking control of these individual people, making dreams for them that HE controls, and makes a hivemind he can freely travel between. These are HIS worlds.
I don't think I mentioned this earlier, but yes, they do contain stars.
Nobody but Mario and Luigi could stop him by using the power of bonds. Yes, Mario and Luigi need an amp to kill this guy.

Only Reclusa can do this, no? (This still applies!)

I do feel I should answer this

The issues remain the same as usual. Reclusa isn't doing the multiversal stuff directly, but through the dreams of the people he captures.

I believe I've answered this before, but listen to this:

Remember when you questioned the part where Reclusa says he "prepared" the dreams?
That very question you asked is your answer. Upon further inspection...
He made them alright, but they didn't exactly exist until the Soli-Tree was created. They don't belong to his victims. They are made for them, but belong to him.
Here we can see budding dream flowers inside the Soli-Tree, and roots throughout the area sending the flowers to their victims. These dreams are contained within the flowers.

Now as for you, can you prove this is simply mind manipulation? I have provided my evidence for the contrary.

 

[AlloyAmi]

This is true, but Reclusa is taking control of these individual people, making dreams for them that HE controls, and makes a hivemind he can freely travel between. These are HIS worlds.
I don't think I mentioned this earlier, but yes, they do contain stars.
Nobody but Mario and Luigi could stop him by using the power of bonds. Yes, Mario and Luigi need an amp to kill this guy.

Only Reclusa can do this, no? (This still applies!)

I do feel I should answer this

I believe I've answered this before, but listen to this:

Remember when you questioned the part where Reclusa says he "prepared" the dreams?
That very question you asked is your answer. Upon further inspection...
He made them alright, but they didn't exactly exist until the Soli-Tree was created. They don't belong to his victims. They are made for them, but belong to him.
Here we can see budding dream flowers inside the Soli-Tree, and roots throughout the area sending the flowers to their victims. These dreams are contained within the flowers.

Now as for you, can you prove this is simply mind manipulation? I have provided my evidence for the contrary.

also the fact that reclusa merged with the soli tree, which is the source of and sustains all the dream flowers that individually contain their own unique dream worlds prepared by reculsa themselves with them pertaining to each unique character designed to be immersive by Reculsa to make them never want to leave. In Mario we see that dreams don't "disappear" like an irl dream would and continue to exist as its own world even after the character wakes up as shown in mario party 5 and dream team. The flower's themselves are what contain these dream worlds and they disappear entirely along with the flower. These a very obviously unique created worlds sustained and created by reclusa having different properties then that of a "natural" dream/nightmare in the verse. The characters within the dreams even have the same glitching effecting along with the world itself, further supporting this. Lastly he can freely enter these worlds, manipulate them, and everything scales to reality as they can collect stuff from within the dream and bring it to the real world.

I see no issue with this scaling to statistics most notably with the sustenance of all these worlds at once, and having full control and manipulation over all of them along with their creation.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

there is no crime in this world worse than a staff member looking at a thread and being asked to evaluate it because they agreed to take the role where they evaluate threads. shit should be illegal.

Without getting into the nitty gritty, I agree with Armor (and thus mostly disagree with this thread).

 

[JPTheGamer]

there is no crime in this world worse than a staff member looking at a thread and being asked to evaluate it because they agreed to take the role where they evaluate threads. shit should be illegal.

Without getting into the nitty gritty, I agree with Armor (and thus mostly disagree with this thread).

Y'know... you could've just said you disagree and left with that.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I think the "embodiment of isolation" thing and erasure statement are figures of speech so I disagree with Abstract Existence and Existence Erasure (and literally nothing supports Conceptual Manipulation).

I agree with @Armorchompy on Reclusa's dream worlds being created and modified indirectly by putting people to sleep and that Reclusa's abilities wouldn't really scale to his AP.

 

[JPTheGamer]

I think the "embodiment of isolation" thing and erasure statement are figures of speech so I disagree with Abstract Existence and Existence Erasure (and literally nothing supports Conceptual Manipulation).

I agree with @Armorchompy on Reclusa's dream worlds being created and modified indirectly by putting people to sleep and that Reclusa's abilities wouldn't really scale to his AP.

Could you go into a little more detail with your disagreement, please?