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so, why does everyone dislike roman.
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As a Fighter/Killer, Roman is a badass. He is strong, fast, smart and skilled. As a character, he is awfull, he didn't even had ONE scene with Sidney pre-reveal, and that whole 'I am your half brother, Sidney' plot was quite taken out of the writer's ass, just like the whole 'I am the reason Billy became a killer' thing, it is forced and lacks foreshadowing, and just makes it look like that they were forcing a brand new character to be the big bad ultimate mega super and a few more titles villain of a whole franchise without properly doing or planning it.
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I like Roman, I just wish he got to have more of an arc with Sidney
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Considering there are many Ghostface scenes where we don't know which of the 2-3 killers is behind the mask (which within the Scream fandom leads to a lot of "who killed who?" debates) and thus it's very likely that anyone reading the profiles will disagree on what is currently accepted (e.g. I don't think Billy killed Tatum), should we have a page explaining which character was wearing the Ghostface costume in each scene (with arguments, obviously)? similar to this.
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to start of with the easiest one (at least imo) i think nancy only wore the costume for gale and deweys attack as well as randys kill. as it wouldnt fit her character for her to be going after someone like cici (i know this is prob the some debated kill in scream 2).
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As one of the persons who believe it was Nancy, I would like to ask, why do you think it's unlike Nancy to kill her? We have overall no proof that Nancy wouldn't, nor that she is unable to kill Cici, and by unable I mean that she wouldn't be able to be there to do so, like in Charlie killing Olivia, where we know it's Jill because Jill couldn't be killing her when she is literally present as a observer of the scene.
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I think we just need to treat any scenes where the killer isn't clear as "could be either". It gets into headcanon otherwise
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Except that, in almost 100% of cases, there is evidence to prove who Ghostface is, whether it's arguments based on basic logic (like one of the killers couldn't have been Ghostface because he was somewhere else) or WoG statements. It's not just a headcanon; we wouldn't be saying that a specific killer is Ghostface in a scene just as a personal opinion; we'd be basing that opinion on evidence, just like we do with everything we analyze on the wiki.
Just to give an example, in Tatum's case, it requires fewer assumptions to assume the killer is Stu than to assume it's Billy (which is why Occam's razor argues for Stu), and there's plenty of evidence to back it up. Billy arrives at the house more than an hour after Tatum's death (Tatum dies when the party guests are choosing which movie to watch; Billy arrives near the end of the movie they're watching). Plus, Stu was already in the house, knew Tatum would be there (he sent her to get some beers), the killer had keys to the garage door, and re-entered the house after the murder (Billy shows up at the front door more than an hour later).
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wouldnt really fit her character for her to just randomly kill one person that didnt have anything to "do with the death of her son". if it was consistent sure but for her to then only target people like gale,dewey and sidney? she also quotes "you killed my son,now i kill you" implying the type of people shes going after in her twisted sense of logic.
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A similar thing could apply for the Bailey's family, where Sam killed Richie, so they went after her, and she was the main target, but Dr. Stone, for example, still died despite only being Sam's therapist and not even knowing Richie personally....
For Cici, her death would serve as a distraction for Nancy to enter Greekhouse and attack Sidney herself when she was alone!
Sidney, Gale, Randy and Dewey were the main targets, not the only ones
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I have to agree that Nancy didn't kill Cici.
When Ghostface stabs through the door, traces of Cici's blood can be seen on the knife, and Scream 6 shows that each killer had their own costume and knife. That means the Ghostface who killed Cici and the one who attacked Sidney are the same.
I'm sure the goal of doing that was to steal Samantha's file from the therapist's house. Besides, even if you want to claim that killing him was unnecessary, that would just mean that Richie's family just enjoys killing, something they've demonstrated several times. The script even reveals that they murdered Richie's mother for refusing to participate.
Mickey did both, killing Cici and attacking Sidney. Leaving aside the fact that the killer who wants to copy the Woodsboro murders is Mickey, for the whole blaming-the-movies thing (Cici's death is part of that), WoG said Nancy only killed Randy.
When Ghostface stabs through the door, traces of Cici's blood can be seen on the knife, and Scream 6 shows that each killer had their own costume and knife. That means the Ghostface who killed Cici and the one who attacked Sidney are the same.
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Like OP said above i agree. The Kirsch Family were out there killing people that "were in the way". Whilst Nancy wouldn't based on her monologue. But i respect your take, anything isn't outright confirmed unless it explicitly stated to us or the killer couldn't be there since they were right there (olivia,dewey).
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I actually was trying to give an example of my point:
If you're somehow getting in the way, you're open to be killed, or if it's convenient.
I wasn't quite clear thought, that was on my part, but here's what I think it had happened:
Nancy was there to record every single death, so she likely knew Mickey's list, or Mickey warned her when he was going to kill someone.
I am betting on the latter's option, so....
Nancy was needing a distraction, and Mickey told her about Cici.
Mickey did the call and went to the house to record the kill (explaining why he got late to the party later) as Nancy chased down and killed Cici.
Later, with everyone's attention on Cici's corpse, she had no problems in sneaking inside the Greekhouse and attacking Sidney.
Well, first we would need to confirm it was actually Mickey who attacked Sidney.
As I already explained the Cici's death being part of Mickey's plan above, I will just ignore it.
When did WoG state that Nancy had ONLY killed Randy?
I believe it's Nancy due to the killer matching Dewey's and Gale's attacker, clumsy and agressive, while Mickey killing the cops showed to be pretty NOT-Clumsy, except when crashing the car, but not knowing how to drive and tripping everywhere you step on is different subjects.
He also was slower with Phil's and Maureen's death, where while in the Greekhouse attack, Randy's and Cici's death, Ghosface only hide before going to the jump and attempted to go straight for the kill.
Meanwhile, Maureen and Phil's death had the killer playing psychological games against it victims before going for the kill.
Also, the fact GF stabbed Cici and Randy was basically the same way.
Once again, we would need to prove it ws actually Mickey who attacked Sidney!
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I would agree with this! Thanks for being respectful too
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Most of the points require too many assumptions about something that can be more easily explained. While I respect everyone's opinion, if the goal of the wiki is to be accurate, then we need to try to uncover the real killer.
Mickey is the most likely killer because killing Cici is part of Mickey's goal, and because of the way he hurts Derek and then uses that to make Sidney distrust Derek. Believing Nancy was the killer knowing all this requires more assumptions and is therefore invalid according to Occam's Razor.
This is a good point, and it was my main argument when I believed Nancy was the killer. However, there are more points in favor of Mickey being the killer, and the clumsiness can be logically explained without the killer being Nancy.
I don't think stabbing someone like that is a super-specific move that only Nancy knows how to do.
Here, starting at 1:08:25. Part of Richard's job was literally to know this kind of stuff.
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Aside from Scream 4 and 6, I think it's relatively easy to tell which killer is which (at least when it comes to the kills)
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Mickey's goal was putting the blames in the movies and getting fame over it.
It didn't really was stated that it would need to be him killing every single person of the list, and Nancy recording the kills were proof that she had at least awareness of when someone would die.
Is the Occam's Razor an actual rule of the site, though?
Indeed, but the way it was done for Randy and Cici was basically the same way!
Yeah, I guess this is the only proof I can't debunk though :V
But we also have the Scream 5 statement that Richie didn't killed anyone too, which we didn't followed and most agreed that Richie and Amber had three kills each.
I'm gonna let it up for the others to decide though.
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im a bit late but i think most of the fandom just perceive it as sam trying to in a sense "ragebait" the kirsch family (which did end up happening). and if im being honest only the wes kill would affects his physical stats.
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Actually, I was speaking about both the directors saying so.
They quoted that Richie doesn't like getting his hand dirty, and that he is just an idiot, when it's clear that Richie was very willing to kill during the end of the movie!
Whoever, in-universe, Sam was indeed just ragebaiting the Kirsch family.
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so far the feats i’ve noticed: ghostface tanks a fall from the second story, ghostface with preparation burns down stus house, ghostface can stab through the wall with ease, likely has a bulletproof vest and tanked 3 gunshots with it, tanked being slammed into a large glass window, and blitzed a cop.
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I think so, although first we'd have to clarify who killed whom. Fortunately, in this film, that's not very difficult.
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We will need to clarify who was at the theater and who was at the opening, though; in my opinion, Karl was at the opening while Marco was in the theater. There's also Mark's kidnapping/almost being killed, which I believe was Jessica. Though, to be fair, any killer could have been at the theater and opening.
