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Fraud vs Manchild -Alastor vs Homelander- 16-11-0 GRACE

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-RULES-
•5 meter distance between opponents
•Speed equalized
•Takes place at Metropolis for some god forsaken reason
•Alastor's Soul Rapture is restricted


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Scales to 289.30 Tons of TNT
Scales to 101.971621 tons

Sukuna 3 fingers up his victims:
 
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How is Homie getting past Alastor’s immortality?
Type 8 and Type 3/Regen: we don't really know how long it takes for him to Regen from Low-High injures
Type 7: uh actually I don't think this own matters much same as Type 1
Type 2 is like the only useful one rn

anyways Homelander necessarily have to kill him, he could just Incap him
 
Let's gooo.
k so, my goat al has the LS advantage is literally always uses his tentacles to fight so he'll be tossing John like a ragdoll. He'll also be using his shadowy stuff to attack him or just cause explosions to knock him far away. Not to mention Al has far higher skill than Homelander. Main problem would be johns laser which has far higher attack speed than his reaction speed but I believe Al takes it more times than not
Alastor FRA
 
lol

Homelander's entire fight skill repertoire is bullying people who can't harm/fight back and relying on nothing but stats to beat his opponent. Any opponent worth their profile can usually out-skill and/or ability-diff Homie with low to middling difficulty. Alastor is no different.

Alastor's Tentacles completely shut down anything Homelander tries to do. Homelander is a punch-kick-eye laser merchant. The LS difference means one grab will leave Homelander immobile with no chance of escaping and no way of fighting back save literally ripping off his own limbs to get away. The speed at which the tentacles can be summoned is fast, and it's doubtful Homelander could even process the events fast enough to realize he needs to get out of the way. Alastor doesn't need to use portals to use tentacles. Any shadow works. His, Homelander's, the urban buildings'. It's incredibly likely Homelander gets grabbed quickly considering tentacles is the first move Alastor goes for.

Forcefield and Shadow Manipulation offsets Homelander's Heat Vision and AP gap. The shield's higher than Alastor's own Durability and should hold for a fat minute. Even when Alastor's forcefield was hit with a 7-A attack, it didn't get obliter****ed instantly. Alastor can summon tentacles from this forcefield too, so even more opportunities for Homelander to lose immediately. If Alastor doesn't go for Forcefield, he turns into a shadow and now Homelander can't damage him.

All of this is not mentioning Homelander's in-character which can genuinely make this match hilariously one-sided. Homie's walking into this fight expecting Alastor to be completely incapable of damaging him at all. It's likely Homelander tries to casually walk up to Alastor, only to be restrained and dismembered by black tentacles.

tl;dr Alastor's tentacles negs the ever loving **** out of Homelander and Alastor forces Homelander's corpse to dance with Broadway Force
 
lol

Homelander's entire fight skill repertoire is bullying people who can't harm/fight back and relying on nothing but stats to beat his opponent. Any opponent worth their profile can usually out-skill and/or ability-diff Homie with low to middling difficulty. Alastor is no different.

Alastor's Tentacles completely shut down anything Homelander tries to do. Homelander is a punch-kick-eye laser merchant. The LS difference means one grab will leave Homelander immobile with no chance of escaping and no way of fighting back save literally ripping off his own limbs to get away. The speed at which the tentacles can be summoned is fast, and it's doubtful Homelander could even process the events fast enough to realize he needs to get out of the way. Alastor doesn't need to use portals to use tentacles. Any shadow works. His, Homelander's, the urban buildings'. It's incredibly likely Homelander gets grabbed quickly considering tentacles is the first move Alastor goes for.

Forcefield and Shadow Manipulation offsets Homelander's Heat Vision and AP gap. The shield's higher than Alastor's own Durability and should hold for a fat minute. Even when Alastor's forcefield was hit with a 7-A attack, it didn't get obliter****ed instantly. Alastor can summon tentacles from this forcefield too, so even more opportunities for Homelander to lose immediately. If Alastor doesn't go for Forcefield, he turns into a shadow and now Homelander can't damage him.

All of this is not mentioning Homelander's in-character which can genuinely make this match hilariously one-sided. Homie's walking into this fight expecting Alastor to be completely incapable of damaging him at all. It's likely Homelander tries to casually walk up to Alastor, only to be restrained and dismembered by black tentacles.

tl;dr Alastor's tentacles negs the ever loving **** out of Homelander and Alastor forces Homelander's corpse to dance with Broadway Force
why you wait till grace to reply
 
lol

Homelander's entire fight skill repertoire is bullying people who can't harm/fight back and relying on nothing but stats to beat his opponent. Any opponent worth their profile can usually out-skill and/or ability-diff Homie with low to middling difficulty. Alastor is no different.
Hold on there. While most of what you're saying is true, you're also downplaying Homie's performance against more skilled opponents. He was holding his own relatively well against Butcher and Soldier Boy who are weaker but still comparable to him (they were actually hurting him with their attacks as opposed to the explosion he scales to which he took zero damage from). The two of them couldn't beat him despite being more skilled and had to pin him down with Hughie so SB could try to charge up his power null blast.
Alastor's Tentacles completely shut down anything Homelander tries to do. Homelander is a punch-kick-eye laser merchant. The LS difference means one grab will leave Homelander immobile with no chance of escaping and no way of fighting back save literally ripping off his own limbs to get away.
Uh... Just laser the tentacles? They don't got the heat resistance nor AP (it upscales) to withstand it and neither does the forcefield (will address that one below).
The speed at which the tentacles can be summoned is fast, and it's doubtful Homelander could even process the events fast enough to realize he needs to get out of the way.
Speed is equalized. The tentacles don't look like they're faster to the point of blitzing him either. Maybe he'll get caught off guard and fail to avoid them the first time just because of how they're summoned, but he'll definitely become more cautious after that due to their superior LS. Even if he gets grabbed, he can just break out with heat vision as I already mentioned.
Alastor doesn't need to use portals to use tentacles. Any shadow works. His, Homelander's, the urban buildings'. It's incredibly likely Homelander gets grabbed quickly considering tentacles is the first move Alastor goes for.
His flight will make it harder for them to catch him and by the third time or so, he'll be aware of how the tentacles are summoned and just has to look around to get rid of them.
Forcefield and Shadow Manipulation offsets Homelander's Heat Vision and AP gap. The shield's higher than Alastor's own Durability and should hold for a fat minute.
No, it wouldn't. Homie's heat vision is higher than his own AP (which already upscales his feat) and is hotter than 3500°C. In fact, ain't that the same temperature Adam's holy light scales to? (Kinda funny since he's literally Homelander if he was an angel). If Alastor says or does anything that pisses Homie off including making him struggle as you already said, he gets a rage amp that increases his AP even further.
Even when Alastor's forcefield was hit with a 7-A attack, it didn't get obliter****ed instantly.
Yeah, because it took 3 seconds after that one attack (it shattered on impact and only took that long to fully disperse).
Alastor can summon tentacles from this forcefield too, so even more opportunities for Homelander to lose immediately.
The simple ability called heat vision:
If Alastor doesn't go for Forcefield, he turns into a shadow and now Homelander can't damage him.
Is that in character? Even if it is, his shadows aren't intangible all the time (if they were then they wouldn't be able to touch and grab stuff). Even if he is intangible as a shadow (which would be elemental intangibility), Homie should still be able to hit him with heat vision just because it's beams of light. It's like using water against someone who can turn into fire.
All of this is not mentioning Homelander's in-character which can genuinely make this match hilariously one-sided. Homie's walking into this fight expecting Alastor to be completely incapable of damaging him at all. It's likely Homelander tries to casually walk up to Alastor, only to be restrained and dismembered by black tentacles.
I wouldn't think so. Homie is arrogant but he isn't stupid (unlike his comic version). First impression, Alastor is a literal deer demon who's covered in 90% red, has a 24/7 radio host voice, and the most shit eating grin on his face. This isn't even mentioning John's enhanced senses, which will let him notice the massive difference in physiology compared to humans even more and potentially discern Alastor's emotions, and SBA which has him assume that the enemy wants to harm him and at least tries to fight back. Even if that doesn't raise a red flag to him somehow, he'll become alert once he gets grabbed by the big shadow tentacles and struggles to break out physically. He also won't be dismembered easily due to sheer durability. Let's not forget that from Alastor's perspective, Homelander is a normal human who's dressed like a Superman knockoff so he wouldn't take him seriously either until he starts using his powers.
tl;dr Alastor's tentacles negs the ever loving **** out of Homelander and Alastor forces Homelander's corpse to dance with Broadway Force
The Peak alone solos the entire Hellaverse.
 
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Hold on there. While most of what you're saying is true, you're also downplaying Homie's performance against more skilled opponents. He was holding his own relatively well against Butcher and Soldier Boy who are weaker but still comparable to him (they were actually hurting him with their attacks as opposed to the explosion he scales to which he took zero damage from). The two of them couldn't beat him despite being more skilled and had to pin him down with Hughie so SB could try to charge up his power null blast.
The only reason Homelander didn't get "beaten" by Hughie, Butcher, and Soldier Boy was because he gained a surge in strength to overpower them to stop Soldier Boy's Radiation Burst. Not because Homelander has any notion of "skill." Throughout the fight, both Butcher and Soldier Boy were individually beating up Homelander with the only problem being Homelander's pure power. The fact Homelander nearly dies to-by your admission-weaker opponents, shows that Homelander is incompetent in battle.
Uh... Just laser the tentacles? They don't got the heat resistance nor AP (it upscales) to withstand it and neither does the forcefield (will address that one below).
Homelander's laser relies completely on his vision. Homelander's incapable of using Heat Vision on tentacles that grab his neck from behind and pull him to the ground. Then 4 more get summoned to further restrain Homelander by his limbs. Yes, Homelander will perhaps laser one or two, but ultimately it's futile. The quantity of tentacles Alastor can summon is far beyond Homelander's ability to consistently use Heat Vision on, especially when his neck movements are restricted.
Speed is equalized. The tentacles don't look like they're faster to the point of blitzing him either. Maybe he'll get caught off guard and fail to avoid them the first time just because of how they're summoned, but he'll definitely become more cautious after that due to their superior LS. Even if he gets grabbed, he can just break out with heat vision as I already mentioned.
My entire argument stands on the condition that Alastor's tentacles can restrain Homelander and render immobile to further dismember and kill him. By your own concession, Homelander will get caught by Alastor's tentacles, so I don't see why you're arguing for Homelander when you've directly. I must reiterate that for someone like Homelander, something being instantly summoned under him would be jarring as that's nothing he's ever seen before. It's doubtful he would even know how to react to the attack since he doesn't have any idea what Alastor's tentacles are.
His flight will make it harder for them to catch him and by the third time or so, he'll be aware of how the tentacles are summoned and just has to look around to get rid of them.
Flight isn't an issue. Homelander is scarcely skilled enough to use it effectively and Alastor has dealt with flying opponents before. Anyone with a miniscule amount of proficiency in ranged weaponry can hit a flying target. Alastor is no different with his tentacles. This isn't an argument.
No, it wouldn't. Homie's heat vision is higher than his own AP (which already upscales his feat) and is hotter than 3500°C. In fact, ain't that the same temperature Adam's holy light scales to? (Kinda funny since he's literally Homelander if he was an angel). If Alastor says or does anything that pisses Homie off including making him struggle as you already said, he gets a rage amp that increases his AP even further.
Again, you've implicitly conceded Homelander would get caught by Alastor's tentacles. Alastor's win condition is exactly this:

Restrain Homelander with tentacles --> rip apart

One event would naturally lead to the next. There's no "breaking free" for Homelander once he gets caught.
Yeah, because it took 3 seconds after that one attack (it shattered on impact and only took that long to fully disperse).
Enough time for Alastor to do any of his abilities. Thought-based Teleportation, Thought-based Intangibility. Anything, really.
The simple ability called heat vision:
Homelander's Heat Vision isn't the end all be all. The laser will be localized in a small surface area on Alastor's body. It would burn clean through him, sure, but Alastor isn't going to instantly combust from getting hit with it. I don't think I need to explain why Alastor wouldn't die from getting lasered in the arm or legs. Homelander lasering in the head/heart doesn't work because Alastor is already an undead.
Is that in character? Even if it is, his shadows aren't intangible all the time (if they were then they wouldn't be able to touch and grab stuff). Even if he is intangible as a shadow (which would be elemental intangibility), Homie should still be able to hit him with heat vision just because it's beams of light. It's like using water against someone who can turn into fire.
Intangibility comes in plenty of forms and Alastor's intangibility is the "I can touch you but you can't touch me" kind. If you want to use the interaction between shadow and light, then your argument is dead wrong. Actually use real-life physics instead of coping-out midway to try to covertly give Homelander NPI. Shadows happen when an object blocks a light source. Homelander's Heat Vision would disperse Alastor's shadowy form, but Alastor would be completely unaffected by it.

Regardless, Alastor's shadow control has been shown to be just fine when under direct light (see literally any scene when he's using tentacles). Your entire argument is moot.
I wouldn't think so. Homie is arrogant but he isn't stupid (unlike his comic version). First impression, Alastor is a literal deer demon who's covered in 90% red, has a 24/7 radio host voice, and the most shit eating grin on his face. This isn't even mentioning John's enhanced senses, which will let him notice the massive difference in physiology compared to humans even more and potentially discern Alastor's emotions, and SBA which has him assume that the enemy wants to harm him and at least tries to fight back. Even if that doesn't raise a red flag to him somehow, he'll become alert once he gets grabbed by the big shadow tentacles and struggles to break out physically. He also won't be dismembered easily due to sheer durability. Let's not forget that from Alastor's perspective, Homelander is a normal human who's dressed like a Superman knockoff so he wouldn't take him seriously either until he starts using his powers.
Alastor uses tentacles to kill objective fodder characters. He does it as a starting move no matter how someone looks save if his opponent is an in-verse top-tier. Meanwhile, Homelander is known to use appearances to inform his opinions about his opponent. It doesn't matter what intelligence Homelander has, if Homelander decides to be arrogant and walk into the fight expecting to be invincible, he loses. This arrogance is something Homelander has consistently demonstrated throughout the entirety of The Boys. Alastor's physiology and costume get-up might make Homelander take him even less seriously since Homelander would view Alastor as a freak. Not the best argument here.
 
Homelander's laser relies completely on his vision. Homelander's incapable of using Heat Vision on tentacles that grab his neck from behind and pull him to the ground. Then 4 more get summoned to further restrain Homelander by his limbs. Yes, Homelander will perhaps laser one or two, but ultimately it's futile. The quantity of tentacles Alastor can summon is far beyond Homelander's ability to consistently use Heat Vision on, especially when his neck movements are restricted.
people's eyes are in fact not attached to their neck. he can still look around if he's grabbed by the neck. he 100% could still laser the tentacles in that situation, he's just be ever so slightly limited to whatever direction his head is in, which is more than likely toward alastor.
Homelander's Heat Vision isn't the end all be all. The laser will be localized in a small surface area on Alastor's body. It would burn clean through him, sure, but Alastor isn't going to instantly combust from getting hit with it. I don't think I need to explain why Alastor wouldn't die from getting lasered in the arm or legs. Homelander lasering in the head/heart doesn't work because Alastor is already an undead.
Homelander usually goes with cutting people apart with it, so it would realistically incapitate alastor if homelander hit him.

also also, realistically an injury like a blast from his lasers to the head or heart would probably put alastor down, because the last time he got something even moderately close to that bad of an injury, alastor was on the floor heaving in pain. immortality but no stamina to make it useful. (you could argue the angelic weaponry he was hit by is the reason he was so taken out by the injury, but i don't think angelic weaponry really does that to demons anyways)

thats rlly all i got to add to this.
 
Would y'all like to re-vote now that new arguments came in?
I'm still voting for Homelander tbh, his beams are faster and are splitting Alastor in half before he even gets a chance to do anything, if not outright incapping him off the bat. IF Alastor does manage to survive and remain rational enough to not think about the insane searing charred flesh across his body, he's running away like a little ***** (dude ******* bolted after getting a big cut from Adam), thus losing the fight by default.
 
people's eyes are in fact not attached to their neck. he can still look around if he's grabbed by the neck. he 100% could still laser the tentacles in that situation, he's just be ever so slightly limited to whatever direction his head is in, which is more than likely toward alastor.
Comiphorous, right now, lay on your back, spread your limbs apart like you're making a snow angel, and try to look at your hands and feet. This is the exact situation Homelander will find himself in. Now if Alastor wants to do more, imagine something's pulling your head down and being restrained by more tentacles over your stomach and waist.

I admit that Homelander would be able to laser some of the tentacles, but not all, which keeps Homelander on a metaphorical leash.
 
I'm highly sure that as per SBA, he can't run away. He'd try to fight albeit futile.
This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
A character who is known for running away after receiving bad damage, getting cut in half by a person who also has Fear Instigating Social Influencing, is almost certainly apt for this rule.

Also this is again assuming that Homelander's laser beams don't hit his head or heart, which already isn't a very safe bet.
 
Comiphorous, right now, lay on your back, spread your limbs apart like you're making a snow angel, and try to look at your hands and feet. This is the exact situation Homelander will find himself in. Now if Alastor wants to do more, imagine something's pulling your head down and being restrained by more tentacles over your stomach and waist.

I admit that Homelander would be able to laser some of the tentacles, but not all, which keeps Homelander on a metaphorical leash.
why would he focus on the tentacles? just hit alastor and the tentacle problem is done...
 
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