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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

don't want to try it using fragmentation calculations? i tried calculating it with hard fragmentation getting h6b, since it's implied that the explosion completely destroyed the island
Which fragmentation? I don't think fragmentation would warrant that high if it's not subatomic destruction. Anything subatomic destruction related is mostly annihilation and that's exclusively for Fontaine (Pneuma + Ousia Arkhe system), either way if it's like vaporization through ionizing plasma back then pretty sure it was rejected yeah. That one had many flaws cause the one incinerated into/by the plasma were Orobashi's blood, not its body or the matter surrounding the island
 
Which fragmentation? I don't think fragmentation would warrant that high if it's not subatomic destruction. Anything subatomic destruction related is mostly annihilation and that's exclusively for Fontaine (Pneuma + Ousia Arkhe system), either way if it's like vaporization through ionizing plasma back then pretty sure it was rejected yeah. That one had many flaws cause the one incinerated into/by the plasma were Orobashi's blood, not its body or the matter surrounding the island
I'm a little curious why you always arguing over something that doesn't even have a connection?

Destroying an island can be calculated as fragmentation if the island is shattered into pieces.
Depending on the size of the fragments, whether they are large or small, or even reduced to dust, each has its own formula.
 
Which fragmentation? I don't think fragmentation would warrant that high if it's not subatomic destruction. Anything subatomic destruction related is mostly annihilation and that's exclusively for Fontaine (Pneuma + Ousia Arkhe system), either way if it's like vaporization through ionizing plasma back then pretty sure it was rejected yeah. That one had many flaws cause the one incinerated into/by the plasma were Orobashi's blood, not its body or the matter surrounding the island
Well, that 27 gigaton calc uses wrong scale of genshin, it says "guili assembly is 100 km" but doesn't have evidence it is 100km from where or to where
 
I'm a little curious why you always arguing over something that doesn't even have a connection?

Destroying an island can be calculated as fragmentation if the island is shattered into pieces.
Depending on the size of the fragments, whether they are large or small, or even reduced to dust, each has its own formula.
Problem is that, the plasma calc back then assumed the body and the matter surrounding the island were also ionized when it was explicitly stated for it to be the blood only (ichor), that's the sole problem if anything
Well, that 27 gigaton calc uses wrong scale of genshin, it says "guili assembly is 100 km" but doesn't have evidence it is 100km from where or to where
It's from Avengershows's calculation, and the original chinese text that it's like 200/300 li then that's converted into km in english. Iirc it was from Ligue Harbor to Dihua Marsh for the 100km one
 
It's from Avengershows's calculation, and the original chinese text that it's like 200/300 li then that's converted into km in english. Iirc it was from Ligue Harbor to Dihua Marsh for the 100km one
I know it is 100km, and they use it from liyue harbor, but liyue harbor was never mentioned in statement, so that statement and calculations depending on that statement are total bs
 
Problem is that, the plasma calc back then assumed the body and the matter surrounding the island were also ionized when it was explicitly stated for it to be the blood only (ichor), that's the sole problem if anything
It is easier to ionize rock than blood, so there is no need for statement of rock also getting converted into plasma

It is like saying a bullet pierces body of person without piercing anything which came between them
 
don't want to try it using fragmentation calculations? i tried calculating it with hard fragmentation getting h6b, since it's implied that the explosion completely destroyed the island
Its more rather implied that the island its gonna explode
 
but liyue harbor was never mentioned in statement
The text mentions that the Guili Assembly is x km from the Guili Assembly, looking at the map carefully we can find out what it means that the main city of Liyue has the assembly to the northwest.
 
The text mentions that the Guili Assembly is x km from the Guili Assembly, looking at the map carefully we can find out what it means that the main city of Liyue has the assembly to the northwest.
But Liyue Harbor was established after Guili Assembly was destroyed

And in that book guili assembly is not destroyed, meaning that is obviously not from liyue harbor

so it is a useless statement because we actually don't know where is it 100km from
 
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But Liyue Harbor was established after Guili Assembly was destroyed

And in that book guili assembly is not destroyed, meaning that is obviously not from liyue harbor
Actually, if know something about Guoba's lore is that he was there when Guili Assembly was flooded, so yeah perhaps the book is talking about a near past
 
It is easier to ionize rock than blood, so there is no need for statement of rock also getting converted into plasma

It is like saying a bullet pierces body of person without piercing anything which came between them
Not true, it's easier to ionize the components of rock than blood.
But that's if you ******* ignore that this isn't just basic components but an entire molecular lattice of them, rock being what it is harder to ionize than blood as a compound which exists as a liquid basically already halfway there to ionization and partially ionized in its normal state while rock is solid and that has to be overcome to even begin to realise ionization .
 
Not true, it's easier to ionize the components of rock than blood.
But that's if you ******* ignore that this isn't just basic components but an entire molecular lattice of them, rock being what it is harder to ionize than blood as a compound which exists as a liquid basically already halfway there to ionization and partially ionized in its normal state while rock is solid and that has to be overcome to even begin to realise ionization .
Well energy of ionization dwarfs energy required to get molecule of rock from solid to vapors, so it is true still
 
Not true, it's easier to ionize the components of rock than blood.
But that's if you ******* ignore that this isn't just basic components but an entire molecular lattice of them, rock being what it is harder to ionize than blood as a compound which exists as a liquid basically already halfway there to ionization and partially ionized in its normal state while rock is solid and that has to be overcome to even begin to realise ionization .
I asked deepseek to do the calculation of energy to convert 1 kilo rock into plasma and 1 kilo blood into plasma since I wasn't going to do it just to prove to you, I won't copy paste whole calculation here since it would be messy

Here it is-

### Final Results (Including Bond Breaking + Single-Ionization):

| Material | State Before | Bond Breaking Energy | Ionization Energy (IE₁) | Total Energy |

|----------|--------------|----------------------|--------------------------|------------------|

| Blood | Liquid | 51.4 MJ | 223.8 MJ | 275.2 MJ |

| Rock (Granite) | Solid | 11.3 MJ | 54.65 MJ | 65.95 MJ |



### Key Takeaways:

1. Blood requires ~4× more energy than rock due to:

- High O-H bond energy (breaking H₂O).

- High ionization energy of H and O (13.6 eV each).

2. Rock’s energy is dominated by oxygen ionization, but its solid bonds are weaker than liquid water’s.

3. Exact values depend on composition, but these are realistic estimates.

Blood requires much much more energy lol
 
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WHAT A MISS I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET HIM
 
Kind of yes since Naberius can control her actions or read her mind, so rhine lost freedom, but got huge firepower boost
Control her action? I don´t recall that part. What i remember is she could only disprove of her action since she is stripped away of agency.

If Rhinedottir lost her abyssal power she became significantly weaker. Nibelung with a portion of the abyss could already damage P.O, Pre shade Gold embodifying the abyss and even create an entity that could corrupt Istaroth.

Edit: voice her disproval.
 
Even you, great Ruler of Death, lack the capacity to bear the consequences of that outcome. Your curse is now the tool with which I will overturn the oppression of the gods. This is my challenge to you...
 
If Rhinedottir lost her abyssal power she became significantly weaker. Nibelung with a portion of the abyss could already damage P.O.
Well, obviously sinners are much weaker than Nibelung who absorbed enough abyssal energy to become descender, comparing sinners to descender is just like comparing a single atom to whole planet
Pre shade Gold embodifying the abyss and even create an entity that could corrupt Istaroth.

Edit: voice her disproval.
Well, corrupting Istaroth part, where is it from, as far as I remember corruption was only limited to time, and not istaroth directly
Control her action? I don´t recall that part. What i remember is she could only disprove of her action since she is stripped away of agency.
Well obviously shades won't do anything which breaks rules, it means rhinedottir doesn't have freedom and Naberius have some sort of control
 
Well, obviously sinners are much weaker than Nibelung who absorbed enough abyssal energy to become descender, comparing sinners to descender is just like comparing a single atom to whole planet
Yet Surtalogi is stronger than Nibelung, consider he is 1000 times stronger than teyvat and each sinner wield the power of the shade. Nibelung with a mere portion of the abyss is already a threat to the H.P. Every sinner absorbed the entire abyss and share it among 6 individiual. The H.P is completely powerless against the abyss whom each sinners fully embodified now, who are also confirmed to transcend fate and the laws of teyvat. Rhinedottir herself created endless monsters that could corrupt Archons and erode the boundaries of the world and devour elements. No archon, god,dragon or even nibelung himself could handle a fraction of the abyss yet Rhinedottir alone could fully hand the all-encompassing abyss. It is even hinted that asmoday may be corrupted by the abyss as Rhinedottir stated ´´Unsurpisedly, all life here has been rendered unstable tainted by the ruler of space´´ and the fact she switched side and we know the opposite side of the h.p is the abyss.
Well, corrupting Istaroth part, where is it from, as far as I remember corruption was only limited to time, and not istaroth directly
Bakunawa was corrupted every time and every moment, Istaroth as embodiment of time and moments should clearly be affected by this. after all in Before sun and moon Istaroth is described as moment and every moments.
Well obviously shades won't do anything which breaks rules, it means rhinedottir doesn't have freedom and Naberius have some sort of control
But Shades can break rules, hencewhy Asmoday can switch sides. Beside Naberius herself states she can only voice disapproval and doesn´t have any agency.
 
Yet Surtalogi is stronger than Nibelung, consider he is 1000 times stronger than teyvat and each sinner wield the power of the shade. Nibelung with a mere portion of the abyss is already a threat to the H.P. Every sinner absorbed the entire abyss and share it among 6 individiual. The H.P is completely powerless against the abyss whom each sinners fully embodified now, who are also confirmed to transcend fate and the laws of teyvat.
Bruhh, you genuinely believe sinners are on Descender level? Or you are trolling?

If surtalogi is as strong as teyvat and still not descender it just means actual descenders are even stronger, cause they are at the top of the food chain, and as said by dain sinners are mind controlled by Abyss, they don't have free will, just like Nibelung and sovereigns corrupted by abyss, heck even dehsret was more impressive in this regard
 
where does the 1000 times gap come from?
"Master, since you mentioned that your group once divided enough Abyssal power amongst yourselves to overturn an entire world — or at least a sixth of it..."

"How is it that you are now many times stronger than an entire world, even when alone?"

"Did I save an idiot back then?"

"Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in the rotten soil. Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer."

"Even if only one or two survivors escape a doomed world, their will alone can become strong enough to reforge the very world they lost."
He thinks this flowery language quote of Surta explaining to Skirk why he became stronger than when just got the abyss energy means fraudlogi is 1000 times stronger than Teyvat
 
Bruhh, you genuinely believe sinners are on Descender level? Or you are trolling?
They are and Genshin literally confirms that + Nibelung isn´t even confirmed to be descender. And if you gonna bring that will argument then I can bring up that each sinner is confirmed to have the will to transcend the entire world.
If surtalogi is as strong as teyvat
Wrong, he is stated to be stronger than teyvat, many times stronger than teyvat that is a description vastly above any descender description who are merely stated to rival the world. Not only that he is stated to remove the curse of immortality by his power, the same curse that was established in higher level of existences and he is even stated stated to be a higher being and power.
and still not descender it just means actual descenders are even stronger,
Proof? Because right now the Abyss is the strongest force in the game, Even the H.P and the shades are rendered powerless in the abyss.
cause they are at the top of the food chain
unsealed Traveler would lose to Surtalogi due to him being a lower existence than Surtalogi.
, and as said by dain sinners are mind controlled by Abyss, they don't have free will, just like Nibelung and sovereigns corrupted by abyss, heck even dehsret was more impressive in this regard
Where? Because Surtalogi is as free as a bee 😂 he is literally out of his free will traveling space
 
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They are and Genshin literally confirms that + Nibelung isn´t even confirmed to be descender. And if you gonna bring that will argument then I can bring up that each sinner is confirmed to have the will to transcend the entire world.

Wrong, he is stated to be stronger than teyvat, many times stronger than teyvat that is a description vastly above any descender description who are merely stated to rival the world. Not only that he is stated to remove the curse of immortality by his power, the same curse that was established in higher level of existences and he is even stated stated to be a higher being and power.

Proof? Because right now the Abyss is the strongest force in the game, Even the H.P and the shades are rendered powerless in the abyss.

unsealed Traveler would lose to Surtalogi due to him being a lower existence than Surtalogi.

Where? Because Surtalogi is as free as a bee 😂 he is literally out of his free will traveling space
He is still affected by fate
 
Hroptatyr who aligns with Reason (Phanes) and the implications about Sinners being relative to Shades and Heavenly Principles given they're gonna replace them soon like Rhinedottir does to Naberius:
Tbh in my opinion, Surtalogi doesn´t even need to replace the shade since he already upscales above them.
But I tend to theorize that out of every sinner, Hroptatyr might be even stronger than Surtalogi.
 
Hroptatyr paralled Phanes and the other sinners are the four shades.
hroptatyr once wields a Claymore/Greatsword that means it is possible that Phanes also wields a Claymore and do you know who else wield a claymore/greatsword? 👀

If i speak..
 
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Hroptatyr paralled Phanes and the other sinners are the four shades.
hroptatyr once wields a Claymore/Greatsword that means it is possibly that Phanes also wields a Claymore and do you know who else wield a claymore/greatsword? 👀

If i speak..
I believe Rerir doesn´t have a parallel yet? Mabye he is not up that level yet... but he is certainly moon goddess+ level.
 
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