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That's the difference between the Regions and Cities which was talked about the thread before this. The map is accurate but those applies to regions rather than the size of the cities themselves.
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One-Punch Man: New City Sizes
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BumpThis thread has been accepted, making the maps depicted in the One-Punch Man anime accurate and canon to the original manga. As a result, a few things have changed, namely the sizes of A-City and Z-City, as well as the yield of their destruction. Additionally, the size of the main supercontinent where the story takes place has also been determined. The following calc has been accepted:
One-Punch Man: Cities and Supercontinent Sizes
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This also changes the yield of this calc
What this changes:
- Old Hero Association: 7-B+ -> 6-C
- Elder Centipede and those relative go from 7-A to 6-C (Majority of the Cadre, majority of the S-Class Heroes)
- Gouketsu and those relative go from 6-B to 6-B+
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To bring this back up, if the claim that the meteor would destroy the region and the surrounding regions was true, then wouldn't an objective calculation of the meteor's destruction using its measurements concretely prove or disprove the region vs city argument? As opposed to the old calculations that assume a given landmass would be destroyed.
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Are there comparable scans for the continent sizes in the manga? The scans shown are from the anime.
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The meteor has a canon size and acceptable calc assumptions for the speed only make it in the high Tier 7 range to my memory. Which is why people keep trying to increase the size of City Z, since the bigger it is the more powerful you can make the meteor.
If you try to just use the meteors given size and a 72 km/s value, you're not going to get a country destroying explosion (though the ash cloud would still devastate the region).
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Well idk where the calc is because to my knowledge, nobody uses it for scaling, but if it's accepted then the widespread destruction from the meteor would basically be the equivalent of destroying "x" city in which case we can put the OPM geography behind us unless they come out with new visuals.
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The meteor is made of an unknown material and the databook states it to yield so much mass.
Not just that but the anime also recorded it as "torino scale 9 meteor" which by definition:
Which shows it's mass is so much compared to other meteors comparable to it's size as torino scale 9 meteors are usually expected to be a few kilometers in width etc.
Also as far as i remember, we use a different size for the meteor in the wiki.
And this doesn't require for the "city" to be bigger, as the destruction would reach other cities regardless. Supporting that it would affect the region rather than the city itself.
Statements of reliable characters in the series would be more reliable than the calculations of the attack itself with the assumption of it's mass and speed, no?
It is the case even right now in the profile of the meteor, where it scales to the destruction of the city rather than it's kinetic energy based on the assumptions of it's mass and speed. (Might have misunderstood what you meant, sry then :d)
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Just want to note that just because something is currently on our profiles doesn't necessarily mean it is correct. We have outdated or wrong info on our profiles sometimes.
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The statements from said characters came from in-verse calculations, so it would effectively be the same when it comes to reliability.
And that's exactly my point, scaling to the destruction of the city automatically assumes that a given landmass will be destroyed, and we have no clue what size of land is being referenced, which is why calculating the meteor itself will yield the likely interpretation for the size of land they're referencing when they say "city".
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I mean, tbe big issue there that a Class 9 tops out at 10 Gigatons in the worst case scenario. So the meteor in the anime can't be country busting.
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Okay sorry for the wait, I was a bit busy rewatching The Flash Season 1. @Qawsedf234 told me to edit the OP to add a section to argue that the destruction caused by Lord Boros' Ship and the Giant Meteor to A-City and Z-City covered the entire named regions, rather than just the main urban living area.
Starting with the Giant Meteor and Z-City, we first need to establish something. This is the map of Z-City. The big red X in the middle is exact point where the Giant Meteor struck. Keep that location in mind.
The large, abandoned neighborhood of Z-City where Saitama lives (and where the Monster Association arc took place) is categorized by its high monster activity. Because of this, all civilians moved to the center of the Z-City residential area, making the uninhabited area its own town. In the original Japanese, it is referred to as a "町", literally meaning “town”. This area is located on the coast.
When the meteor was landing, Genos stated that it would wipe out not only the Z-City residential area but also the nearby surrounding towns. "町" was also used here. From that, we know that bare minimum the residential area and the uninhabited town would have been destroyed. The explosion was omnidirectional, meaning it spread out equally in all directions from the point of impact (which we established earlier was in the center of Z-City’s residential area) to all of the towns directly around it. This is what we know would have been destroyed so far.
Lastly, Bang believed that his dojo, which is not located in any of the surrounding towns, would also have been destroyed by the meteor. The only place that these mountains could be would be in this extended landmass on the side. So in the end, we can see that the entire Z-City region would have been destroyed by the meteor.
Now for Lord Boros’ Ship and A-City. This one is a lot more simple. After Dr. Bofoi cleared away all the rubble from the ship’s bombardment, it was stated that the Hero Association Headquarters had direct roads for efficient hero deployment outside the region. What this means is that the entire region of A-City was rendered uninhabitable and completely barren except for the headquarters and the connecting roads. We know the destruction extended at least the same distance in every direction, as confirmed by multiple panels in the manga. This is important because we see Tatsumaki drag Saitama from the center of A-City all the way to N-City and back, but the path they take was still within the destroyed area created by Boros’ Ship. This means the same level of destruction applied in all directions from the impact zone
(I added this to the OP)
Starting with the Giant Meteor and Z-City, we first need to establish something. This is the map of Z-City. The big red X in the middle is exact point where the Giant Meteor struck. Keep that location in mind.
The large, abandoned neighborhood of Z-City where Saitama lives (and where the Monster Association arc took place) is categorized by its high monster activity. Because of this, all civilians moved to the center of the Z-City residential area, making the uninhabited area its own town. In the original Japanese, it is referred to as a "町", literally meaning “town”. This area is located on the coast.
When the meteor was landing, Genos stated that it would wipe out not only the Z-City residential area but also the nearby surrounding towns. "町" was also used here. From that, we know that bare minimum the residential area and the uninhabited town would have been destroyed. The explosion was omnidirectional, meaning it spread out equally in all directions from the point of impact (which we established earlier was in the center of Z-City’s residential area) to all of the towns directly around it. This is what we know would have been destroyed so far.
Lastly, Bang believed that his dojo, which is not located in any of the surrounding towns, would also have been destroyed by the meteor. The only place that these mountains could be would be in this extended landmass on the side. So in the end, we can see that the entire Z-City region would have been destroyed by the meteor.
Now for Lord Boros’ Ship and A-City. This one is a lot more simple. After Dr. Bofoi cleared away all the rubble from the ship’s bombardment, it was stated that the Hero Association Headquarters had direct roads for efficient hero deployment outside the region. What this means is that the entire region of A-City was rendered uninhabitable and completely barren except for the headquarters and the connecting roads. We know the destruction extended at least the same distance in every direction, as confirmed by multiple panels in the manga. This is important because we see Tatsumaki drag Saitama from the center of A-City all the way to N-City and back, but the path they take was still within the destroyed area created by Boros’ Ship. This means the same level of destruction applied in all directions from the impact zone
(I added this to the OP)
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If the distance they travelled is really thousands of kilometres then 99% of the area covered by them is off-screen in that sequence so we can't say it's all a barren destroyed wasteland.
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So, what addresses the fact that City A as portrayed in the manga, is nowhere close to the geographical representation in the anime? We see City A is a landlocked landmass in the anime, but it is more of a coastal country in the manga.
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Sending it again + little changed :d
"That page is wrong.
I always hated that the page below where we see Boros's attack is extremely wrong. There are literally two or more very huge continent there, not a single supercontinent lol. Murata himself revealed how the planet is with statements in twitter + pages in the manga many times. That doesn't even suit Saitama prefecture map which the OPM world takes after.
City-A has ways to travel every city, there are multiple ways to every direction, which can't be if it was in the edge or close to there. (Unless they are travelling across the global with cars without any road :d)
Not only that but it has no visible seaside which we have nearly seen every direction it goes from high heights. Also the way Saitama and Tatsumaki went to N-City shows it to be wrong regardless."
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Hmm, before I really wasn't that convinced, but after seeing the new arguments I see the logic, yes I agree with the OP, although my vote is worthless
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practically from every panel we see from the fight with Tatsumaki up to when he pushes him into the neighboring cities we see that the whole area of city A has been taken by the explosion and there are craters practically everywhere even practically before Saitama was launched into city N we see glimpses of craters present etc etc but practically in every panel of city A we practically always see it as a completely desolate land with only craters given by Boros' ship... there is no evidence that could make us think that something in city A was left standing from that explosion I'll let Kachon etc show all the scans involved
I'll stop here for now, I stopped by to answer this, now I'm going back to work, see you next time
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So, in my mind, A-City's map version goes to much against what the manga shows. You can't dismiss the primary canon scene because the secondary/tertiary canon map contradicts that. The main work will always take priority if they contradict per our rules.
City Z's section, despite me not initially liking it, does make a lot more sense as an upgrade. The mountains being destroyed, the towns surrounding City Z being destroyed and the implied level of destruction itself is fine. I will say, however, that while that does line up, the anime also puts a hard 10 Gigaton cap onto the meteor, which would still be enough to kill everything just due to the raw amount of environmental destruction.
So in my view, no on City A, but I think the City Z end is usable.
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Could you elaborate on this part? Which showing in the manga are you referring to?
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I'm mostly asking this because the depiction of the map in the anime and manga are exactly the same
And they both show A-City to be landlocked and located where more toward the center of the supercontinent. This is also supported by the fact that its stated that the Hero Association Headquarters has direct roads leading to very city, with there being roads from every direction. If A-City was also along the coast, then that wouldn't make sense.
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no? The manga shows the same thing as the anime for the city. Both canons practically always show the same map and Murata himself, who I think was re-shared by One, shows the conformation of the supercontinent and fits perfectly with what this thread concerns... if you're referring to just one scan, it's been shown to be wrong with the rest of the evidence that validates the OP
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They're not. If you zoom into the map in the manga the regions are differently sized and there's additional regions on the island subcontinent.
I don't see it being wrong. It's a zoom out shot on the eastern coast of the super continent and matches Twitter art that Murata did at the time. It's just another additional subcontinent like with the southern island.
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That one image from Boros's beam shouldn't be above literally every image of the city from high heights in the manga.
No visible seaside even though we have seen it from heights enough to see hundreds of kilometers away.
A-city made shortways to reach every city, which goes to every direction and same amount of road to every location, basically impossible if it's not located in the middle or near it.
Also, it would break the alphabetic order of the cities. Like A is connected to B, B is connected to C, C connected to D and so on.
And the other things like Tatsumaki and Saitama going to N-City from A-City.
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The manga image isn't near the coast. It's like a couple hundred kilometers away and is so high up shot wise you can't see traces of urban development anywhere. The anime map has It's location on the wrong end of the continent and the image we do see matches what Murata drew himself.
In my view the City A calc isn't valid for those reasons, because a lesser canon source isn't allowed to overwrite a higher canon source.
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more "small" evidence makes it a crucial one more than a single evidence yes big but less big than the set of evidence which leads to a new one bigger than the previous one and then the zoom out that you say does not match 100% with the map given by murata but it gets a little close since the part of the serious punch goes towards what appears to be a continental mass larger than what we see in the map which is smaller and extends less than what we see in the scan and is also practically divided in half by the sea with another island so it is more likely in my opinion that the attack goes in a northerly direction than in a western direction and there is a place that is very similar in my opinion to what we see in the manga and would coincide with the centrality in the map of city A even if the size of the island would still be gargantuan like that of the west coast but it would be more in my opinion than what you say
I'll try to send the image to highlight the point I'm referring to even if I still think we're probably discussing an issue that has probably been retconned and changed and that we should just remodel everything but I don't know... but for now I think I can provide a more probable direction to the area of city A through the serious blow
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It depends, as I said, in my opinion, more canonical sources regarding the map, even minor ones, can override a canonical one given by the manga if the author changes the cards on the table few times with more declarations and more visual and narrative evidence in the manga, then there are cases in which an author like Oda goes to change the heights of characters like Zunesha several times and so on, everything that concerns them, etc.
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In the manga, it is explicitly J-City that's on the coast. Tatsumaki and Saitama flew in the direction that, according to the clearly inaccurate Serious Punch panel, should have led them into the ocean, yet they ended up in N-City instead like the map in the anime showed.
As @MrTayman616 said, the New Hero Associations Headquarters ha direct roads to every city exiting from every direction, numbered perfectly. This wouldn't make sense if A-City was location where your stance demands it is.
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but then if we put it as Qawsedf234 says everything that comes after that concerns city A and everything that is said and the events and the fact that it is purposely placed in the center of the supercontinent to create highways that connect to all the cities as planned by the association during the construction of the new heroes association etc would never make any sense...
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Could you explain why not for Boros' ship? It's already been addressed that if A-City was a near the coast as Qawsedf believed, Tatsumaki and Saitama would have ended up in J-City, not N-City like they did.
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Not just that but it would break the alphabetical order of the cities. (A is connected to B, B to C, C to D and so on). The location of J city has been shown many times both in manga and ova episodes. We're shown that they travel from A city to N and then H-city. N city in question has a small sea (sea isn't the right term i know) that somewhat divides the city which the location N-City is accurate based on Muratas map as well.
City-H is connected to City-J, which everything here is accurate based on the map, but the accuracy fully disappears if City-A is in the mentioned location.
That panel literally makes J-city connected to A-City, which is literally impossible as long as you don't erase City-N and City-H.
Even ignoring this, it can't be possible due to there being roads to every direction as shortways. Not just that but there is no visible sea or ocean regardless of the height, which is weird since this is where that one image says City-A and HQ is located at. Where are the %40 of the roads that are supposedly "shortways to every city" are going? to depths of the ocean?
This panel is inconsistent with literally everything in both anime and manga.
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Oh btw, you mistook Boros's bullets there. You did based on City-Z's value rather than City-A.
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Watching. So far I hold FinePoint's view, but i'm too ignorant on OPM to give an objective vote for Boros's ship
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@Qawsedf234 Do you have any opinions on this? It's pretty important considering this is the lasts thing that needs to be discussed here.
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The aerial shot has them a couple hundred miles from the coast. So I don't think it's a contradictory point. Additionally as you pointed out the manga map shows completely different regional layouts compared to the anime map, so City-A being where it's at isn't that bad in my view.
However, I recently looked at a fan color of the serious punch and noticed that the island shown looks to be the southern tip of City-M. When I get home I'll try to compare the two better. If it is supposed to be City-M, then the shot is actually going North to South and not West to East, which would probably make the region usable if City-A was near the south eastern border of Region-A.
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If the shot is going North to South then you're right, it could work.
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