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Sung jinwoo tier upgrade
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Its a realm that only contains the shadow monarchs power he awakens to his power
It effected antares with only a aspect so if we even just give a 3d rating theirs still a infinite amount of 3d power which this wiki allows pocket dimensions for a high uni rating unless the tier itself has changed and hasnt been updated anyways
I'll just say i agree
It effected antares with only a aspect so if we even just give a 3d rating theirs still a infinite amount of 3d power which this wiki allows pocket dimensions for a high uni rating unless the tier itself has changed and hasnt been updated anyways
I'll just say i agree
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In ragnorack he beat 3 itarim gaps the universe itself a realm that has no concepts as shown when it still remained after ragnorack and itarim collided the same power thay erases all concepts
Power and true self true death is so vast it quite litterly cant fit into reality
Is the source for litterly everything where everything eventually returns back to as absolute nothingness among many more things that being said this thread is for original novel info certain people wanted ragnorack to have a thread to prove its canonicity
Solo leveling (ragnorock) canonicity
It has come to my attention that a thread canonicity needs to be made.which should be easy but who knows.(broken link 💔) All we have are a few author notes talking about him being entrusted with writing the sequel. Which to me just seems like the same case with dragon ball. You can find the...
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Literally his son clashing with an Itarim destroyed an entire universe that he created including the space time, void until reaching the main universe.
So no lol
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Imma get this closed until the other thread is finished then make a final conclusion based on the results of the thread.
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Now that my other thread is accepted I will be making a final conclusion.
So should scale to large size type 9 and get equivalent AP based on the standards.
Jinwoo Also outscales all of this.
I wonder if this can be used,or if it will be called a metaphor.
Onto speed. (Kinda lazy)
If the distance between dimensions is too large,you have to fly through the dimensional gap tearing down the dimensional walls. Because portals are not able to connect. (Might argue infinite speed in another thread fr)
jinwoo saw the memories of Ashborn. Of Ashborn and the monarchs fleeing from the rulers and they flew through numerous universes,Jinwoo saw numerous universes flashing past. (Meaning that Ashborn showed Jinwoo a memory of him traveling across universes and should scale to Ashborns speed)
Beru has also done the same where he has flown through dimensions.
Should be mftl+.
Additionally
The dimensional rift is infinite in size,so traveling between two dimensions via the void could grant infinite speed due to traveling an infinite distance.
- a universe contains numerous dimensions,also described as universes.with Kandiru fleeing to an entirely different universe in order to escape jinwoo who rules over all dimensions (meaning dimensions are inside one universe)
- the absolute being infused his power into the monarchs and rulers, bounding them to pre-determined destiny and the law of creation to fight an endless war for the protection or destruction of the world.with the monarchs being granted the power to oppose gods,and rulers having the god killing power.which lead to them growing strong enough to kill god.(he was just dumb and granted them enough power to kill him not expecting them to use it on him) even another itarim was mad at him saying the same.
So should scale to large size type 9 and get equivalent AP based on the standards.
Jinwoo Also outscales all of this.
I wonder if this can be used,or if it will be called a metaphor.
Onto speed. (Kinda lazy)
If the distance between dimensions is too large,you have to fly through the dimensional gap tearing down the dimensional walls. Because portals are not able to connect. (Might argue infinite speed in another thread fr)
jinwoo saw the memories of Ashborn. Of Ashborn and the monarchs fleeing from the rulers and they flew through numerous universes,Jinwoo saw numerous universes flashing past. (Meaning that Ashborn showed Jinwoo a memory of him traveling across universes and should scale to Ashborns speed)
Beru has also done the same where he has flown through dimensions.
Should be mftl+.
Additionally
The dimensional rift is infinite in size,so traveling between two dimensions via the void could grant infinite speed due to traveling an infinite distance.
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Ok I now agree to Universal Sung Jinwoo due to ragnorock
I don't know about his speed though
I don't know about his speed though
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I forgot to add speed 
. I mind as well make another thread for infinite speed fr 
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The argument for speed was that monarchs traveled through countless universes and reached earth. There needs to be a calculation for that though and idk how to do that.should just scale it to however fast traveling across one universe is.
. I mind as well make another thread for infinite speed fr .The argument for speed was that monarchs traveled through countless universes and reached earth. There needs to be a calculation for that though and idk how to do that.should just scale it to however fast traveling across one universe is.
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Just remake the thread at this point.
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We already went over this part, that the correct translation would be "galaxies", not universes...
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It is translated as universes by a vsbw translator,which we use over fan TL. Honestly no idea why you seen one translation that says something else and then try to say it “really “ says this with no evidence on it being the correct one. I also provided 3 other scans showing that it is referring to dimensions,because dimensions are literally what is in the dimensional rift.
We both know how for example tensura has alot of translation differences and so you get them translated with vsbw translators. Yet you are insisting on using fan TL even after I told you that it was translated on here. If Ritsu comes and says it is wrong,then alright. It doesn’t change anything besides me having to use a different scan.
진우의 눈앞에 수많은 우주와 행성의 모 습들이 스쳐 지나갔다.
그리고 마침내 영상이 하나의 행성에 멈 춰 섰을 때.
진우는 자신도 모르게 신음을 흘렸다.
"아……………."
검은 우주에서 홀로 아름답게 빛나는 푸 른 별.
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Google Translate also says that they are universes
Google Translate: "Countless images of universes and planets flashed before Jinwoo's eyes. And when the image finally stopped on a single planet, Jinwoo groaned involuntarily. "Ah……..." A blue star, shining beautifully alone in the blackness of space."
But again this isn't speed, its explicitly stated to just be visual
"And when the image finally stopped on a single planet" from google translate
and from the image you linked in the OP: "And eventually the footage came to a stop"
So no, this wouldnt scale to speed
The statement of them traveling to find other planets doesn't have a timeframe and it doesn't say they did it physically either
Google Translate: "Countless images of universes and planets flashed before Jinwoo's eyes. And when the image finally stopped on a single planet, Jinwoo groaned involuntarily. "Ah……..." A blue star, shining beautifully alone in the blackness of space."
But again this isn't speed, its explicitly stated to just be visual
"And when the image finally stopped on a single planet" from google translate
and from the image you linked in the OP: "And eventually the footage came to a stop"
So no, this wouldnt scale to speed
The statement of them traveling to find other planets doesn't have a timeframe and it doesn't say they did it physically either
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Also characters can already create portals between dimensions so there's no reason to believe they would even want to physically travel between each universe
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You didn’t read my comment
to quote myself again Because when the gap between universes is too large, you have to fly through the rift physically. They were literally TRAPPED in the dimensional gap. Meaning they were physically there. And not some portal.
Antares literally even says a portal shouldn’t be possible to make. So obviously this cannot be teleportation. It needed both jinwoos and Antares power to make one.
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Add that to the OP bro, those are actually usable speed featsYou didn’t read my comment
Because when the gap between universes is too large, you have to fly through the rift physically. They were literally TRAPPED in the dimensional gap. Meaning they were physically there. And not some portal.
Antares literally even says a portal shouldn’t be possible to make. So obviously this cannot be teleportation. It needed both jinwoos and Antares power to make one.
the only speed feat you put on the OP is ass and was debunked in like 2 seconds
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They are talking about the same thingAdd that to the OP bro, those are actually usable speed feats
the only speed feat you put on the OP is ass and was debunked in like 2 seconds
ragnorock just gave more context
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Not even close bro, the first one explicitly says he's not not traveling anywhere but looking at images or footage (depending on the translation)They are talking about the same thing
The other feats explicitly states/shows characters traveling between dimensions
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Also put Agree: Disagree: and Neutral: in the OP so you can have votes
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This was a memory of Ashborn. So ashborn was showing jinwoo the memory of (Ashborn) traveling across those universes. I should have clarified that the feat wasn’t meant to be portrayed as jinwoo doing it. It was meant because jinwoo scales to the people doing it. In order for it to be a memory of Ashborn,it obviously had to have happened
Yeah it is just a different POV. Same feat though. Let me reword it
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I agree with this
Sung Jin woo Uni...
Sung Jin woo Uni...
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Also, Exactly what tier are you trying to get him at, Universal, High Universal or Universal+ because I know that for Uni+ you need Space-Time statements and there aren't any here:
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My argument would basically then just change to Ragnarok needing to be a separate key.
Since now, rather than arguing that OG solo leveling Jinwoo is universal based on the original novel (which his profile is using), you are bringing in the new continuity for a bunch of back scaling which is completely different from how the original novel scales.
I overall greatly dislike this kind of thing anyway, since I specifically made the profile with just the OG and now you are attempting to upgrade it with the Ragnarok continuity even though nothing from Ragnarok even exist on the page yet lol.
Since now, rather than arguing that OG solo leveling Jinwoo is universal based on the original novel (which his profile is using), you are bringing in the new continuity for a bunch of back scaling which is completely different from how the original novel scales.
I overall greatly dislike this kind of thing anyway, since I specifically made the profile with just the OG and now you are attempting to upgrade it with the Ragnarok continuity even though nothing from Ragnarok even exist on the page yet lol.
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I think a Ragnarok key would be the most reasonable way to approach this regardless, yes.
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Don’t see it as being relevant when it is context based.
As yet again in the original series it tells you that they are born to destroy all of existence ,everything the absolute being created. It yet again tells you that they are nerfed and you keep insisting that because they NERFED themselves and their avatars don’t have universal feats
That their true forms which destroy universes with their presence,and are born to destroy all of existence don’t scale,even though it is acknowledged in the original that they are nerfed
Was planning on it. This thread was for the fact that the strength of people doesn’t change much in ragnorock,just gain additional context and feats, so original series should still scale to it.
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nah, cause doesn't it take place a while after the main story? he more than likely got way stronger
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This seems highly likely to me as well.
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5 years. Yeah he got stronger, just isn’t tierable since the og series already scales to the cosmology as he is literally born to destroy it
Example
Cosmology multiversal
Og series (can destroy it) = multiversal
Ragnorock gets stronger: still multiversal because that is where the cosmology scales. And how much he grew can’t really be scaled
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Well, there's a lot less supporting evidence in the original series, and if we know he grows in strength then it's reasonable to assume he wasn't at full power yet.
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How many staff votes does this kind of CRT need? I forget
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Two, including at least one admin since it involves Tier 2.
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Most of the statements are from the original, they were just nerfed so their feats didn’t correspond to the statements.
The whole original novel takes place with them being in avatars.actually the whole first argument I crossed out was purely of series scans
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You still gotta add agrees and disagrees btw, you might already have enough votes but I cant tell
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Regardless, I still think it would be most appropriate to only apply the multiversal rating to the Ragnarok key, my apologies.
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yeah. at least try having a ragnorok key first THEN try backscaling
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Though, you are still going for 2-B (Countless universes) so I have to ask:
What evidence do you have that the universes mentioned to exist within the "universe" are spatiotemporally separated and also have significant size? Many of them are dungeons with small finite sizes. And like I mentioned before, they were all affected by the same Chalice of Rebirth reversing time.
What evidence do you have that the universes mentioned to exist within the "universe" are spatiotemporally separated and also have significant size? Many of them are dungeons with small finite sizes. And like I mentioned before, they were all affected by the same Chalice of Rebirth reversing time.
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I just genuinely don’t understand your argument.
In the original series we have
We have a god who created numerous universes,who granted his apostles enough power to destroy everything he created,stated to destroy all of existence, they turned on him and killed him.
Those people then went and possessed humans, losing the power they had when they killed god. Grew weaker. Stated to be nerfed multiple times.
And since they are nerfed, they scale way lower than their true selves.
We have ONE chapter where they aren’t nerfed.
And when they aren’t nerfed they have a feat of shaking the dimension with a roar.
Then we have the continuation. That expands on it, confirming that what the original said about them being nerfed is true. And shows that if they aren’t nerfed they can do what they are born to do (destroy the universe)
So whole ragnorock is literally just feats that the ORIGINAL series says they can do already.
I don’t get how creating numerous universes and then being stated to be able to destroy it FIVE times in the original series is unscaleable just because they are in avatars and therefore nerfed and weaker.
I am not scaling nerfed characters. I am scaling their true power.which they are stated to possess.
A key should at least be made for non nerfed version.
As in that key they literally killed god. Traveled across universes etc.
Genuinely makes no sense trying to use nerfed versions to debunk MORE powerful versions.
It makes even less sense IGNORING the multiple statements of being able to destroy everything god created . And then going on to ignore the statements that literally tell you they are weakend and that’s why their feats are less than the statements. It isn’t an outlier,it is context
Would the absolute being not scale to the numerous universes he created in the OG series?
If he does, then would no one scale even though they are stated to be able to destroy it all?
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