We dont need zombies on our lawn part 1

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Zomboss Additions:

• Size manipulation:
  • Has a shrink ray and can change his zombies size
• Lifting strength:
  • Can throw his own zombies (could just be added as extra justification that he scales to regular zombies, but could probably use a calc)

Snapdragon limited transmutation:

• Snapdragon can just turn himself into stone and back at whim (BFN key)

plant physiology additions:

• Adaptation: in the comics its shown they can adept to zomboss weather mani with peashooters being able to adept to being set on fire really fast to the point the heat doesn`t bother them and can rather use it to power themselves up with the variants being implied to just be plants which adapted to the environment.

Zombie physiology additions:

• Immortality type 1 and 6:
  • Can live for hundreds of years to as old as time itself
  • Multiple examples from PVZ heroes of zombies persisting as ghost/spirits when their bodies are destroyed.
• Accelerated Development:
  • Zomboss gets stronger every day and year, as well as in the comics gargantuar`s and other zombies can tank instant kill plants like cherry bomb and potato mine (which kill them in one or 2 hits in the tower defense games) with penny stating they always so get stronger by the time fissure to the point Penny warns the player and Dave of their new strength even after the story mode completed, warning them to strengthen their own forces as well as go to different timelines or time periods to find plants that are strong enough to deal with them.
• Greater resistance to temperature manipulation:
  • Can survive going through the core of the earth
  • Can survive sunlight stated to need SPF 9000 sunscreen
  • Can tank natural lightning
  • Completly fine in sub zero temperatures and they can touch ice pea who freezes anything that is near him or on contact.
• Resistance to transmutation and life absorption:
  • Unaffected by Midas Tough, who can turn anything he touches into goldfish.
  • zombies ain't affected by plants sucking them dry of their life force.
• Resistance to radiation specifically for toxic variant and disease acid poison manipulation for all types of zombies:
  • Zombies are unable to get ill with them being ok after eating rotten brains.
  • zombies bath in radiation and acid with toxic waste not affecting them.
  • Posionous air Smelling tasty to them.
• resistance to fear and pain manipulation:
  • zombies lack fear and are rather fearless.
  • in popcap golden rules its said both plants and zombies cant feel pain.
• higher resistance for disease manipulation for playable/heroes zombie:
  • zombies can resist viruses which unfect them.

Lasers actually being SOL:

• Hover-Goat 3000’s Lasers are described as beams of light energy(applicable to all future zomboss tech)
• Sun-Pharaoh’s and Citron’s lasers are also stated to be beams of light

votes​

agree: @FinePoint (with everything besides sol lasers) @Tllmbrg (with everything besides type 6 immorality life steal and adaption for the plants besides peashooter)​

neutral: @FinePoint (most zombie resistence's besides transmutation and temperature manipulation)​

disagree:​

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

thanks towards @OrangeFR for helping me fix my thread(original one)

We dont need zombies on our lawn part 1

I will be going into many of haxs and feats or statements that I think should be added to the plants and zombies profiles or should be used in a crazy Dave profile starting with crazy Dave and zomboss resistences machines and mechs as well as intellgent as it is shown in gw2 and pvz better...

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[MatterNerd]

The additions look pretty good to me

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Yea this looks good

 

[OrangeFR]

Looks good, you should probably link this thread in the previous one.

 

[MatterNerd]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

Zombie physiology additions:

• Immortality type 1 and 6:
  • Can live for hundreds of years to as old as time itself
  • Multiple examples from PVZ heroes of zombies persisting as ghost/spirits when their bodies are destroyed.

I don't think Type 6 is proper here, since only a specific type of zombie does this and they do die proper the second time.

Lasers actually being SOL:

• Hover-Goat 3000’s Lasers are described as beams of light energy(applicable to all future zomboss tech)
• Sun-Pharaoh’s and Citron’s lasers are also stated to be beams of light

We typically ignore these kinds of statements if the depictions of the light otherwise doesn't follow our standards, which I believe is the case with a lot of other light-based attacks in PVZ.

Everything else seems fine.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I don't think Type 6 is proper here, since only a specific type of zombie does this and they do die proper the second time.

He quite frankly an regular zombie with nothing implying this is an special ability he has

We typically ignore these kinds of statements if the depictions of the light otherwise doesn't follow our standards, which I believe is the case with a lot of other light-based attacks in PVZ.

In gameplay they are shown to just be an beam of light (as they onlymove in an Straight line,they have zero force, don't explode or anything)

Everything else seems fine.

 alright

 

[FinePoint]

He quite frankly an regular zombie with nothing implying this is an special ability he has

It's implied by the fact that no other zombies have it.

In gameplay they are shown to just be an beam of light (as they onlymove in an Straight line,they have zero force, don't explode or anything)

We'd need to collect and analyze all the light stuff at once I think, which should probably be its own thread.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

It's implied by the fact that no other zombies have it.

its more less game mechanics that would be op and the zombies can well respawn(its implied in both the comics and even games regular zombies can do this)

We'd need to collect and analyze all the light stuff at once I think, which should probably be its own thread.

I can make an blog on it(once I make one for PVZ cosmology)

 

[MatterNerd]

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[MatterNerd]

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[FinePoint]

I can make an blog on it(once I make one for PVZ cosmology)

That would be great.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Bump

 

[MatterNerd]

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[MatterNerd]

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[MatterNerd]

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[MatterNerd]

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[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

It's implied by the fact that no other zombies have it.

after doing some research it is kinda consistent as in PVZ Chinese zombies can come back as ghost and in PVZ 3 older version zombies could still become ghost in the same way (though PVZ 3 is still unfinished) plus he is like an regular zombie with nothing impling this is an ability only he has

 

[FinePoint]

after doing some research it is kinda consistent as in PVZ Chinese zombies can come back as ghost and in PVZ 3 older version zombies could still become ghost in the same way (though PVZ 3 is still unfinished) plus he is like an regular zombie with nothing impling this is an ability only he has

If it's shown multiple other places too it's probably fine. I forgot about possession even.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

If it's shown multiple other places too it's probably fine. I forgot about possession even.

Context on the pvz 3 ghost zombie it works the same way it does in heroes

 

[FinePoint]

Context on the pvz 3 ghost zombie it works the same way it does in heroes

Well, it's still a specific type of zombie here, which does make it kind of suspect for all of them.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

That would be great.

Here's the blog going over most light based feats in pvz

 

[StarShooter80]

Zomboss Additions:

• Size manipulation:
  • Has a shrink ray and can change his zombies size
• Lifting strength:
  • Can throw his own zombies (could just be added as extra justification that he scales to regular zombies, but could probably use a calc)

I don't think you'll get good results for Zomboss throwing his zombies, but the fact he can easily over power Class M goons should give him an "At least" rating.

plant physiology additions:

• Adaptation: in the comics its shown they can adept to zomboss weather mani with peashooters being able to adept to being set on fire really fast to the point the heat doesn`t bother them and can rather use it to power themselves up with the variants being implied to just be plants which adapted to the environment.

The first scan should be enhanced adaptation for Ice and Fire plants (Being able to adapt in cold environments quickly compared to regular plants). The second reasoning with the Fire Pea for regular plants is good.

Zombie physiology additions:

• Immortality type 1 and 6:
  • Can live for hundreds of years to as old as time itself
  • Multiple examples from PVZ heroes of zombies persisting as ghost/spirits when their bodies are destroyed.

Pretty good stuff

• Accelerated Development:
  • Zomboss gets stronger every day and year, as well as in the comics gargantuar`s and other zombies can tank instant kill plants like cherry bomb and potato mine (which kill them in one or 2 hits in the tower defense games) with penny stating they always so get stronger by the time fissure to the point Penny warns the player and Dave of their new strength even after the story mode completed, warning them to strengthen their own forces as well as go to different timelines or time periods to find plants that are strong enough to deal with them.

I don't think the gargantuar examples are really good, but the regular zombies ones are. The time fissure example is also good. It should be classified as Passive and Others.

• Greater resistance to temperature manipulation:
  • Can survive going through the core of the earth
  • Can survive sunlight stated to need SPF 9000 sunscreen
  • Can tank natural lightning
  • Completly fine in sub zero temperatures and they can touch ice pea who freezes anything that is near him or on contact.

I wouldn't say the zombie tanked lightning as they seemed severely damaged, but the rest are good.

• Resistance to transmutation and life absorption:
  • Unaffected by Midas Tough, who can turn anything he touches into goldfish.
  • zombies ain't affected by plants sucking them dry of their life force.

The Midas Tough one is good for plants but are there examples of zombies interacting with Midas? And the zombies are affected by the plants taking their life force? Just because it's not instantaneous that doesn't mean it's a form of resistance.

• Resistance to disease acid radiation poison manipulation:
  • Zombies are unable to get ill with them being ok after eating rotten brains.
  • zombies bath in radiation and acid with toxic waste not affecting them.
  • Posionous air Smelling tasty to them.

The radiation example doesn't seem like something that should be applied to all zombies. Rest are good.

• resistance to fear and pain manipulation:
  • zombies lack fear and are rather fearless.
  • in popcap golden rules its said both plants and zombies cant feel pain.
• higher resistance for disease manipulation for playable/heroes zombie:
  • zombies can resist viruses which unfect them.

Lasers actually being SOL:

• Hover-Goat 3000’s Lasers are described as beams of light energy(applicable to all future zomboss tech)
• Sun-Pharaoh’s and Citron’s lasers are also stated to be beams of light

The fearless example seems like a name fallacy, taking the name of an upgrade and making it literal, but the Torchlight zombie example is enough for Immunity to fear. The rest are good too, Hover-Goat and Pharaoh's lasers also act proper in gameplay too.

Overall most of this stuff is really good, I'll try to get higher quality versions of scans and upload them as images/videos to the wiki itself (since imgur is becoming less reliable)

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I don't think you'll get good results for Zomboss throwing his zombies, but the fact he can easily over power Class M goons should give him an "At least" rating.

I wanted to show this as an example that he should be scaled to them(i should edit that part)

The first scan should be enhanced adaptation for Ice and Fire plants (Being able to adapt in cold environments quickly compared to regular plants). The second reasoning with the Fire Pea for regular plants is good.

It's both implied and shown they were regular plants who adapted to their environment or getting lightbon fire becoming immune to it and then having the power to control it
(it kinda explains why in the gw games there is so many variants of the plants as they simplify adapted to saud elements they were exposed to kinda)

I don't think the gargantuar examples are really good, but the regular zombies ones are. The time fissure example is also good. It should be classified as Passive andOther.

Ok

I wouldn't say the zombie tanked lightning as they seemed severely damaged, but the rest are good.

He wasn't really affected by it besides being burned an little.

The Midas Tough one is good for plants but are there examples of zombies interacting with Midas?

zombies aint really affected by being touched by him(kinda like the plants) but it can be put as debatable.

And the zombies are affected by the plants taking their life force? Just because it's not instantaneous that doesn't mean it's a form of resistance.

It can't kill zombies in pvz 2 and it barely affects them in the gw games.

The radiation example doesn't seem like something that should be applied to all zombies. Rest are good.

So do we just level it as something hero zombies get?

The fearless example seems like a name fallacy, taking the name of an upgrade and making it literal, but the Torchlight zombie example is enough for Immunity to fear. The rest are good too, Hover-Goat and Pharaoh's lasers also act proper in gameplay too.

I know but I just couldn't pass over making that reference to bfn.

Overall most of this stuff is really good, I'll try to get higher quality versions of scans and upload them as images/videos to the wiki itself (since imgur is becoming less reliable)

 

[StarShooter80]

It's both implied and shown they were regular plants who adapted to their environment or getting lightbon fire becoming immune to it and then having the power to control it
(it kinda explains why in the gw games there is so many variants of the plants as they simplify adapted to saud elements they were exposed to kinda)

Yeah basically I alr agreed

He wasn't really affected by it besides being burned a little.

Still though it’s pretty weak compared to the other examples

zombies aint really affected by being touched by him(kinda like the plants) but it can be put as debatable.

I forgot zombies don’t just phase through each other in gameplay lol nvm

It can't kill zombies in pvz 2 and it barely affects them in the gw games.

Tbh I think that only really shows how weak those plant’s life-force draining is

So do we just level it as something hero zombies get?

Nah I think it only works for Toxic Brains, and other zombies covered in radiation.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Tbh I think that only really shows how weak those plant’s life-force draining is

Fair

Nah I think it only works for Toxic Brains, and other zombies covered in radiation.

It isn't implied their different zombies or anything but just to be on the safe side I will add that this should apply to variants only.

 

[MatterNerd]

Bump

 

[Tllmbrg]

Stuff I don't comment on are either something I don't have an opinion on or generally seems fine.

plant physiology additions:

• Adaptation: in the comics its shown they can adept to zomboss weather mani with peashooters being able to adept to being set on fire really fast to the point the heat doesn`t bother them and can rather use it to power themselves up with the variants being implied to just be plants which adapted to the environment.

Your first scan shows it's not a universal trait, since plants like Cactus, Sunflower, and Chomper can't handle the cold. I'm more inclined to just add adaption on a case by case basis (So Peashooter for example gets it due to their multiple showings).

Zombie physiology additions:

• Immortality type 1 and 6:
  • Can live for hundreds of years to as old as time itself
  • Multiple examples from PVZ heroes of zombies persisting as ghost/spirits when their bodies are destroyed.

No real issue with the type 1, idk about 6 applying to zombies as a whole. That ghost zombie is a specific one, his abilities clearly are not universal, and I don't think the power-up proves it either.

• zombies ain't affected by plants sucking them dry of their life force.

How is this being unaffected, those abilities still damage and eventually kill them (Even if Vamp is a notoriously bad plant offensively)

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Stuff I don't comment on are either something I don't have an opinion on or generally seems fine

alright

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Your first scan shows it's not a universal trait, since plants like Cactus, Sunflower, and Chomper can't handle the cold. I'm more inclined to just add adaption on a case by case basis (So Peashooter for example gets it due to their multiple showings)

it is shown in GW2 they can sense both cactus and chomper have ice variants with sunflowers also adapting to things like fire so its more likely they adapt at an way slower pace then peashooters who adaption are more instant.

No real issue with the type 1, idk about 6 applying to zombies as a whole. That ghost zombie is a specific one, his abilities clearly are not universal, and I don't think the power-up proves it either.

it is rather shown in other games zombies can become ghost (like in PVZ 3 and china addition) but I don't think I could be used sense the game still isn't done yet and things like dry bone zombies ain't in the newer versions.

How is this being unaffected, those abilities still damage and eventually kill them (Even if Vamp is a notoriously bad plant offensively)

Vamporcini cant really kill zombies and the zombies can tank vamp draining their life force for an while but I can see why it cant be used(like explained above)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I agree with everything exept exemples that use pvz china as arguments sinse we consider It another continuity and separated from the original

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I agree with everything exept exemples that use pvz china as arguments sinse we consider It another continuity and separated from the original

alright(though I will probably have to make an thread showing why most of the Chinese games are canon)

 

[MatterNerd]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Mostly agree with the things Tllmbrg pointed out about some of these things not being universally applicable, the rest seems good though.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Mostly agree with the things Tllmbrg pointed out about some of these things not being universally applicable, the rest seems good though.

Thank you very much and as an question would the pvz shooter variants be enough evidence to show that other plants can adapt but at an way slower pace compared to peashooters and such.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Thank you very much and as an question would the pvz shooter variants be enough evidence to show that other plants can adapt but at an way slower pace compared to peashooters and such.

You would need either evidence for each individual plant or blanket statements referring to all plants.

 

[2021_Animal]

Can Jester Zombies actually deflect projectiles? Or is that just gameplay mechanics?

 

[FinePoint]

Can Jester Zombies actually deflect projectiles? Or is that just gameplay mechanics?

Well, in PVZ Heroes they still take damage and just do a little back, so maybe.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Well, in PVZ Heroes they still take damage and just do a little back, so maybe.

He does so in pvz 2

 

[FinePoint]

He does so in pvz heroes

I know, but the damage he does back isn't equal to the damage taken in PVZ Heroes, it's just a retaliation, and what he's hit with doesn't get reflected he just throws balls.