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Brawl Stars (Tier and Speed Upgrade) CRT

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Hi again. In this CRT i will be stating my take for Brawl Stars, potentially upgrading its characters. Every brawler scale to everyone, so the scale should be the same for everyone. Sorry if its rough.

Upgraded to City level (Able to harm those who can endure Ruffs' Suply Drop)

Upgraded to Speed of Light (Can dodge and react to lightspeed attacks consistently, such as R-T radio waves and Buzz Lightyear's lasers)


So, what you guys think about this?

Agree = @Oiguana2701 @Youngwolf-0.1 @Ultimate-Rex1 @Lilybitdun @YmTheSuper @MaybeWantsToEdit @FinePoint (Mod)
@DarkDragonMedeus (Mod)
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The tier change seems pretty okay without any problems I could see.
Could you please show a video of the R-T radio waves and Buzz Lightyear's lasers?
 
Youngwolf-0.1 said:
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Oiguana2701 said:
Could you please show a video of the R-T radio waves and Buzz Lightyear's lasers?
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BS Buzz LY's lasers are actual lasers because it's literally referred to as a laser, the lasers travel in straight lines and burn enemies, and the projectile is fired from his actual laser, which is a red beam that emits light akin to a flashlight, similar to the films. This is clearly a laser made of light.

R-T main attacks are actual radio waves as his attacks does the same things as regular radio waves: Its clearly stated as radio waves; His secondary attack (in split mode) eject a signal in a 360-degree radius around him, just like radio waves to send signals to other devices; and, the attack also pass and phase through enemy Brawlers and even walls, something which radio waves do. Radio waves are a type of electromagnetic wave, which has the same speed as light

Im going to update this in the og post
 
Agree with the City level upgrade
Disagree with the Buzz Lightyear section since he's removed from the game and only existed as a limited event
The R-T section seems fine at glance, this calc that's currently used for the verse's speed also has a section using R-T's radio waves; tho the verse seems to use the shotgun section
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:G-Toasty/Brawl_Stars_base_travel_speed
I'm not super familiar with this verse so idk if there's already been a thread discussing the validity of using R-T's radio waves
 
Lilybitdun said:
Disagree with the Buzz Lightyear section since he's removed from the game and only existed as a limited event
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Not because he got removed from the game he's inexistent to the lore. He still exist in the verse cannonically. There are things that got removed from the game but still exist in the lore, like Siege and Super Rampage City gamemode.
Lilybitdun said:
The R-T section seems fine at glance, this calc that's currently used for the verse's speed also has a section using R-T's radio waves; tho the verse seems to use the shotgun section
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:G-Toasty/Brawl_Stars_base_travel_speed
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I'm not really sure if the speed recalc is accepted. Even though there are people from calc group evaluating the calc, much probably there were talking about the first calc and not the recalc...
 
David_Is_Goat said:
I don't think so. Like, if i can react and dodge lightspeed attacks, logically i have at least SOL reaction speed 🤷
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I mean, it’s still preferred to do a calc in order to get an exact value for this thing, even if it would make sense for it to be around SoL. It shouldn’t be too hard to find anyway, just get the speed points of Buzz’s laser and apply the same method as this calc to find everyone else’s speed
 
None of you have realized the lifting strength potential of Edgar tearing apart a robot here

Buzz Lightyear being removed from the game doesn't really invalidate him being used for stuff here. The Thanos event from Fortnite was a limited time thing, but his stuff was still applied to Fortnite's verse

That being said, since the lightspeed projectiles are dodgeable in the game (I've seen it myself, having played the game), I actually recommend making a calc. You'll get a more accurate rating that way. It might be slightly lower than SoL or even higher than SoL depending on the dodging
 
David_Is_Goat said:
Not because he got removed from the game he's inexistent to the lore. He still exist in the verse cannonically. There are things that got removed from the game but still exist in the lore, like Siege and Super Rampage City gamemode.
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Well if there's a precedent then it should be fine
David_Is_Goat said:
I'm not really sure if the speed recalc is accepted. Even though there are people from calc group evaluating the calc, much probably there were talking about the first calc and not the recalc...
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Yeah only the first calc has been evaluated
the scaling via speed points method was itself already accepted by them from the og calc
 
David_Is_Goat said:
BS Buzz LY's lasers are actual lasers because it's literally referred to as a laser, the lasers travel in straight lines and burn enemies, and the projectile is fired from his actual laser, which is a red beam that emits light akin to a flashlight, similar to the films. This is clearly a laser made of light.
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Just because It's called a laser doesn't make it automatically lightspeed. We have criteria for fictional lasers to be considered actual lightspeed lasers and they must at minimum meet few of them as stated in the page.

I guess the only criteria you could argue has been fulfilled is that it has to originate from an actual source of light since he does produce a red flashlight from his hands but we don't really have enough proof that it's the exact same source of the laser attacks he uses in-game which are very different with them being blue projectiles contrasting the red flashlight he uses in the animation.

Either way even if we assume the criteria is fulfilled that wouldn't be enough for it to be lightspeed since it needs to fulfill multiple criteria.
David_Is_Goat said:
R-T main attacks are actual radio waves as his attacks does the same things as regular radio waves: Its clearly stated as radio waves; His secondary attack (in split mode) eject a signal in a 360-degree radius around him, just like radio waves do to send signals to other devices; and, the attack also pass and phase through enemy Brawlers and even walls, something which radio waves do. Radio waves are a type of electromagnetic wave, which has the same speed as light
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R-T's attacks are never mentioned to be radio waves, the closest thing we have to that is the fact that his super while in split mode is called Radar Waves which isn't his projectile but rather the super when he teleports from his upper body to his lower body when they are split, so the best you can argue here is the fact that his teleportation happens at the speed of light.

If you notice his main attack is only mentioned to be a "projectile" without mentioning its nature. If it was an actual radio wave it would have been mentioned as such in the attack's description since the description mentions the nature of the attack for practically every brawler in the game.

The best shot at getting a lightspeed or higher rating is using Buster's attack since It's directly mentioned to be a cone of light coming from his projector (The attack in reference). But either way you would still need to calculate the speed of of the dodging of the attack and discuss it's validity with staff mainly calc group members.

David_Is_Goat said:
Upgraded to City level (Able to harm those who can endure Ruffs' Suply Drop)
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This is fine mathematically but I have to say it's very weird that this feat is much higher than El Primo's meteor (The AP of Ruffs' supply drop in the calc is 128547.4x that of El Primo's meteor) when they both drop the exact same way visually in-game (They basically have the same dropping animation) and when the meteor has 11x more mass than the supply drop. I would say using one of the values for meteors' kinetic energy makes more sense, especially since we have a minimum speed for objects to enter the earth's atmosphere listed (And considering that 17000 m/s is considered a high end speed for meteors and objects coming from outer space when the calc here has the supply drop moving at 3600000 m/s a 211x speed difference compared to the meteor high end that becomes a 44844x difference when the kinetic energy formula is applied).
But since the calc is accepted it should be fine to apply.
 
YmTheSuper said:
Just because It's called a laser doesn't make it automatically lightspeed. We have criteria for fictional lasers to be considered actual lightspeed lasers and they must at minimum meet few of them as stated in the page.

I guess the only criteria you could argue has been fulfilled is that it has to originate from an actual source of light since he does produce a red flashlight from his hands but we don't really have enough proof that it's the exact same source of the laser attacks he uses in-game which are very different with them being blue projectiles contrasting the red flashlight he uses in the animation.

Either way even if we assume the criteria is fulfilled that wouldn't be enough for it to be lightspeed since it needs to fulfill multiple criteria.

R-T's attacks are never mentioned to be radio waves, the closest thing we have to that is the fact that his super while in split mode is called Radar Waves which isn't his projectile but rather the super when he teleports from his upper body to his lower body when they are split, so the best you can argue here is the fact that his teleportation happens at the speed of light.

If you notice his main attack is only mentioned to be a "projectile" without mentioning its nature. If it was an actual radio wave it would have been mentioned as such in the attack's description since the description mentions the nature of the attack for practically every brawler in the game.
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Nothing to say. Im fine with that.
YmTheSuper said:
The best shot at getting a lightspeed or higher rating is using Buster's attack since It's directly mentioned to be a cone of light coming from his projector (The attack in reference). But either way you would still need to calculate the speed of of the dodging of the attack and discuss it's validity with staff mainly calc group members.
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That's not appliable too. The light that comes from Buster's projector is meant to be unnatural light, since it pass and phase through Brawlers' body, a properity that natural light don't posssesses.
 
I agree with speed, and AP buff is quite consistent since in-canon Brawlers withstand drinking energy drinks that blast 12 lightning-bolts-worth of energy all at once with zero issue. There's also other attacks that are blatantly lightspeed, such as Buster's who's attacks literally shoot a "cone of light" from his film projector (I've since backtracked on the attack passing through enemies as a disqualifier, because it's literally referred to as light in the description), with R-T's Gadget speed being used here instead because it nets a higher result for Brawler speeds. I've submitted the calc on calc evaluations before for the lightspeed scaling to get accepted but it has not been accepted for a long while.

I also don't see why you're only upgrading the verse to City level. Brawlers withstand explosions that destroy the Moon from Earth which has an accepted calc for to get them to Large Planet level. In addition, you have a Star level feat in a short. Note that gags from shorts such as Melodie's neck have been implied to canonically have happened (Colette has a drawing of this), and Fernanda Oliveira, the art director and world-builder for the Brawl Stars IP, as well as the person who creates Brawler concepts as well as creates the concepts for the universe of the series, also oversees all visual things such as advertisements, animations, and even merchandise to make sure they represent the world well. This means that this short aligns with what is perceived as possible for Brawlers to do, and since it isn't an alternate universe thing (like a good amount of promos featuring skins), it should be applicable, or at least be supportive of Large Planet.

YmTheSuper said:
I guess the only criteria you could argue has been fulfilled is that it has to originate from an actual source of light since he does produce a red flashlight from his hands but we don't really have enough proof that it's the exact same source of the laser attacks he uses in-game which are very different with them being blue projectiles contrasting the red flashlight he uses in the animation.
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The only reason why it's blue is because Buzz is on the blue team. When he's on red team, the projectiles are red. It's a gameplay mechanic so players know who's team's projectiles those are.
YmTheSuper said:
R-T's attacks are never mentioned to be radio waves, the closest thing we have to that is the fact that his super while in split mode is called Radar Waves which isn't his projectile but rather the super when he teleports from his upper body to his lower body when they are split, so the best you can argue here is the fact that his teleportation happens at the speed of light.
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The calc uses R-T's In-Line Gadget, which is referred to as a signal, which in-game passes through objects and connects to both of his parts wirelessly. Meaning it is innately electromagnetic, and thus lightspeed. The signal also doesn't display force, and it also passes through walls. Given R-T already uses Radar Waves, we can infer that the signal is a lightspeed radar wave. The only issue here is that the Gadget has been removed from the game, but this is only because the developers wanted to rework the Gadget to something new because it was notoriously useless to use in-game, not because R-T just can't use the ability in canon anymore. If the team didn't think Brawlers could dodge and R-T couldn't eject a signal from his body, then they wouldn't have added in the Gadget in the first place.
 
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MaybeWantsToEdit said:
I agree with speed, and AP buff is quite consistent since in-canon Brawlers withstand drinking energy drinks that blast 12 lightning-bolts-worth of energy all at once with zero issue. There's also other attacks that are blatantly lightspeed, such as Buster's who's attacks literally shoot a "cone of light" from his film projector (I've since backtracked on the attack passing through enemies as a disqualifier, because it's literally referred to as light in the description), with R-T's Gadget speed being used here instead because it nets a higher result for Brawler speeds. I've submitted the calc on calc evaluations before for the lightspeed scaling to get accepted but it has not been accepted for a long while.

I also don't see why you're only upgrading the verse to City level. Brawlers withstand explosions that destroy the Moon from Earth which has an accepted calc for to get them to Large Planet level. In addition, you have a Star level feat in a short. Note that gags from shorts such as Melodie's neck have been implied to canonically have happened (Colette has a drawing of this), and Fernanda Oliveira, the art director and world-builder for the Brawl Stars IP, as well as the person who creates Brawler concepts as well as creates the concepts for the universe of the series, also oversees all visual things such as advertisements, animations, and even merchandise to make sure they represent the world well. This means that this short aligns with what is perceived as possible for Brawlers to do, and since it isn't an alternate universe thing (like a good amount of promos featuring skins), it should be applicable, or at least be supportive of Large Planet.
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So, should i update the og post to a star level upgrade crt...?
 
Lonkitt said:
Buzz Lightyear being removed from the game doesn't really invalidate him being used for stuff here. The Thanos event from Fortnite was a limited time thing, but his stuff was still applied to Fortnite's verse
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I would strongly disagree with this, regardless of precedent.

The AP changes seem fine.
 
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
I agree with speed, and AP buff is quite consistent since in-canon Brawlers withstand drinking energy drinks that blast 12 lightning-bolts-worth of energy all at once with zero issue.
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I don’t understand how that counts as a speed feat, as it’s just referring to how much energy the Brawlers get hit by rather than how fast they can go, but whatever.
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
I also don't see why you're only upgrading the verse to City level. Brawlers withstand explosions that destroy the Moon from Earth which has an accepted calc for to get them to Large Planet level.
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This feat is just too iffy to use imo. If the explosion really did destroy the moon here as you said, you’d expect the earth to also be affected here, especially considering the explosion originated FROM THE EARTH, but instead the most it did was char the tree and ground a bit.
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
In addition, you have a Star level feat in a short. Note that gags from shorts such as Melodie's neck have been implied to canonically have happened (Colette has a drawing of this), and Fernanda Oliveira, the art director and world-builder for the Brawl Stars IP, as well as the person who creates Brawler concepts as well as creates the concepts for the universe of the series, also oversees all visual things such as advertisements, animations, and even merchandise to make sure they represent the world well. This means that this short aligns with what is perceived as possible for Brawlers to do, and since it isn't an alternate universe thing (like a good amount of promos featuring skins), it should be applicable, or at least be supportive of Large Planet.
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The whole Melodie neck thing just reads to me as a cheeky reference rather than some kind of confirmation that all the shorts happened canonically. Like, I really don’t think we should assume the people running Supercell’s social media doing a bit has any bearing on canon.
 
IDK3465 said:
I don’t understand how that counts as a speed feat, as it’s just referring to how much energy the Brawlers get hit by rather than how fast they can go, but whatever.
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"and AP buff is quite consistent since..." is what I said.
IDK3465 said:
This feat is just too iffy to use imo. If the explosion really did destroy the moon here as you said, you’d expect the earth to also be affected here, especially considering the explosion originated FROM THE EARTH, but instead the most it did was char the tree and ground a bit.
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It blew up and it reached the Moon to where it destroyed its GBE and it fell "to the ground". I think the fact that the Earth itself is rather unaffected is fine to gloss over since it's innately a cartoony thing in nature. That or you can argue the Earth is large planet or something lol. That and the explosion is meant to be shown to be a very large and powerful explosion, so it destroying the Moon seems to just be a way they were able to convey that.
IDK3465 said:
The whole Melodie neck thing just reads to me as a cheeky reference rather than some kind of confirmation that all the shorts happened canonically. Like, I really don’t think we should assume the people running Supercell’s social media doing a bit has any bearing on canon.
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I think not buying the shorts are fine because I viewed them as a higher end anyway, so that's fine 👍. Though I feel like explaining further anyway if that changes your mind.

The person running the channel and the people who made the videos are different teams. Like why would the person posting community posts and running it also be the one to animate a 3d video unless they're just also an animator on the side? (To be fair, possible) Fernanda also looks over all merch and promotional animations and videos and such who's basically the director for canon so I think it's fair to assume she did the same with these. Brawlers all consistently break the fourth wall such as referring to Trophies by name, Brawlers interacting with community managers (Brawl Talks are canon to an extent since they're framed to exist in the same world as the Starr Park Investor Video which is part of the lore), Edgar telling the viewer to play the game, three characters having a virtual band who's songs refer to tons of gameplay mechanics, and social media themselves have blamed characters over bugs in-game. So Colette acknowledging the animation where Melodie stretched her neck very far isn't out of the ordinary for how they're usually portrayed.
David_Is_Goat said:
So, should i update the og post to a star level upgrade crt...?
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You can probably have it be like, City level, likely/possibly, or outright just Large Planet level. I don't think Star level will really be accepted on the wiki.
 
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"and AP buff is quite consistent since..." is what I said.
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Ohhhh… I see, well even then, it’d just be like High 8-C at best, so I don’t see why that supports 7-B but whatever.
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
It blew up and it reached the Moon to where it destroyed its GBE and it fell "to the ground". I think the fact that the Earth itself is rather unaffected is fine to gloss over since it's innately a cartoony thing in nature. That or you can argue the Earth is large planet or something lol. That and the explosion is meant to be shown to be a very large and powerful explosion, so it destroying the Moon seems to just be a way they were able to convey that.
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Still, I think the feat is simply too contradictory and gag-like for me to fully buy into. I can maybe see a “possibly” tier, but I’d honestly prefer the feat shouldn’t be used rather than having the Earth and everything on it be far more durable in BS than it is irl.
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
I think not buying the shorts are fine because I viewed them as a higher end anyway, so that's fine 👍. Though I feel like explaining further anyway if that changes your mind.

The person running the channel and the people who made the videos are different teams. Like why would the person posting community posts and running it also be the one to animate a 3d video unless they're just also an animator on the side? (To be fair, possible) Fernanda also looks over all merch and promotional animations and videos and such who's basically the director for canon so I think it's fair to assume she did the same with these. Brawlers all consistently break the fourth wall such as referring to Trophies by name, Brawlers interacting with community managers (Brawl Talks are canon to an extent since they're framed to exist in the same world as the Starr Park Investor Video which is part of the lore), Edgar telling the viewer to play the game, three characters having a virtual band who's songs refer to tons of gameplay mechanics, and social media themselves have blamed characters over bugs in-game. So Colette acknowledging the animation where Melodie stretched her neck very far isn't out of the ordinary for how they're usually portrayed.
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I still feel like you need more evidence than just making 4th wall breaks and references in order for something to be canon. I should note that I’m fine with the cinematics and brawl talks being canon, as they are clearly meant to be taken seriously lore-wise, I just don’t know how to feel about a gif of a move slapped on top of another gif of the sun exploding having any bearing on what everyone scales to.
 
The time for Ruffs supply drop is wrong, the time should be from when his device gets to the ground to when the projectile comes. You can see he throws a device which calls the supply drop to that spot. I guess this got rejected tho so.
Also you could compare the brawlers speed to the drop speed to get their speed.
 
 
 
ElJoaki5 said:
The time for Ruffs supply drop is wrong, the time should be from when his device gets to the ground to when the projectile comes. You can see he throws a device which calls the supply drop to that spot. I guess this got rejected tho so.
Also you could compare the brawlers speed to the drop speed to get their speed.
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hm...
 
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