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Back home and have a bit of time to properly reply, so I'll try to be thorough.
As stated prior, "It" is not a name reserved for the true, transcendental entity. It is also used to describe the physical manifestation that is Godzilla. This is inarguably a thing that occurs, such as in the passage I posted prior where "It" is very clearly Godzilla Amphibia.
The first:
The second:
Also, not really sure how much we can use the idea of it "breaching" the normal universe with its "branches" as an anti-feat when the comparison to a tree is specifically an analogy. I don't even know how much it would matter anyway, since the epilogue makes it pretty clear the protagonists don't even feel as though Godzilla was defeated, but instead simply disappeared.
However, while I'm more inclined towards 1-A than 1-B personally, I do want to reiterate that I don't actually have any opposition to "possibly 1-A", as it still acknowledges the arguments for the entity's transcendence.
My issue here is that, as I suggested before, these are really only anything resembling anti-feats if you ignore the surrounding context.If it has direct anti-feats or if the explanations waving them away are poor, then it's just not considered 1-A even for singular or minor showings as determined by the original Tier 1/0 staff revision threads. There are a lot of verses that don't get a ≥1-A rating for just one anti-feat that can't be handwaved as an example, which is why the majority of Author self-insert characters are stuck on lower levels. Ultimately, despite the points that Azathoth puts forth, I don't think they sufficiently explain away the interpretations Arceus gives, such as IT's state of reality with the Kumongas and the line between creatures and IT, which puts it more of a quantitative difference rather than a qualitative one.
As stated prior, "It" is not a name reserved for the true, transcendental entity. It is also used to describe the physical manifestation that is Godzilla. This is inarguably a thing that occurs, such as in the passage I posted prior where "It" is very clearly Godzilla Amphibia.
- "There is only the figure of It that continues to swim, and its companions anxiously move away from it. Unable to comprehend what was happening to him, this brave but foolish individual continued his futile assault but suddenly realized that the "it" swimming in front of him could not possibly be the "it" that he had jumped on in the first place. The length of the creature had now surpassed that of this one, its skin had changed, and its back was now lined with intricate, plate-like fins. The brave individual finally attempted to break free from it, but there was no time left for him to understand when the huge mouth with its many vertical rows of teeth had opened in front of him." (blog translation)
The first:
- "As they began to take for granted not only the archetypes that sprang endlessly from "it" or the singularity, but also the materials of this world, they were surrounded by materials to regenerate and build their bodies." (blog translation)
The second:
- "At the center of this disturbance is a silvery drive called the Jet Jaguar. In their eyes, the Jet Jaguar, like "It," appears to be a node, an accumulation point for lines of force. There exists a different information network, they realized, which is also covering the earth." (blog translation)
- "Godzilla is an entity capable of carving out his own future. Born as a bubble-like void on the ocean floor, he formed a small body, rewriting the surrounding environment, utilizing knowledge of the existing metabolic system, remaking it into something more efficient, and weaving together molecular arrangements that the beings of this universe could never have imagined. He changed form after form, determined the future he was heading for, and walked boldly through the center of that determined future. He was led to Tokyo by disturbance.
- It seemed like a mere stumbling block of thought, a clouding of the senses, a slowing of reactions, but it was clear to him that such things did not exist. This disturbance made Godzilla's future unclear, and he was still trying to piece together the thin thread that would lead to his demise.
- The source of that disturbance was now right before his eyes. Of course, the person in question could not have been aware of this, as it was the kind of logic that could only be sensed by looking at it from a bird's-eye view of the whole, a single point where a network of tiny casual connections converged. Although it was a fragile structure, it was a web that could not be severed by simply eliminating one possibility. When a certain possibility was eliminated, causality, which had previously turned a blind eye, began to join in the work of supporting that path. Those who manipulated countless pieces of information supported the web.
- Godzilla has come to the heart of Tokyo in search of that knot in the web of causality. Godzilla finally understood that Yun Arikawa, who was there now, was one of the nodes that would cause the entire web to unravel if removed. The other node, Kamino, was located underground in Ubara, next to Shiva, which was part of Godzilla's organs, and so the fact that Godzilla and Yun were glaring at each other corresponded to Kamino and Yun being two nodes next to each other. This place, at this moment, must have been the 'place where the nodes gather together' that would cut the web." (personal book translation)
This is an odd conclusion to me, because personally I think the focus put on higher-dimensional existence and actual mathematics should make the entity's transcendent state more likely, not less. Singular Point spends so much time going into these bizarre higher dimensional mathematics, the ability of the Orthogonal Diagonalizer to manipulate these dimensions, and the impossible computational power of SHIVA, only for the results reached through actual logic and mathematics to be this:The dreams statement is the strongest evidence for 1-A (or High 1-A if you assume an infinite amount of recursive dreams that IT stands beyond), but if that can be sufficiently explained as being viewpoints of lesser imitations, then I don't see the reason for it to be rated that higher. Additionally, just the focus the work puts on higher-dimensional existence makes it seem weird to me that we're going for a metaphorical interpretation of the cosmology rather than a literal one based on what we're told.
- "'The parameters,' says the Pero II inside me, 'are the parameters of the orthogonal diagonalizer to annihilate the hyper-time calculator, the singularity, and Godzilla.'
- I finally understand what that exact statement means, what it means when no conclusion is presented.
- 'It didn't exist,' the Pero II inside me said apologetically. 'You can't find something that doesn't exist.'" (personal book translation)
- "Of course, this is just my own dream, not even a theory. The reality that emerged in Tokyo was probably even more extraordinary. It's possible that Godzilla was defeated in a way that didn't exist. I truly believe so."
This misses a bit of context. We are told how the Orthogonal Diagonalizer would potentially banish the singularity, and despite its ability to manipulate higher-dimensional particles, it's not through directly interacting with it.The tree being able to breach into the normal universe while being connected to the main branches also leads me to view it as an anti-feat along with how the orthogonal diagonalizer managed to drive it away.
- Here's BB's take on the latter: The singularity forms a shell around itself, made of archetypes, like an oyster shell. This shell is a necessary mirror that keeps the singularity connected to the world, and if it can be broken down,
- 'The singularity will go home on its own.'
- That seems to be the case." (personal book translation)
Also, not really sure how much we can use the idea of it "breaching" the normal universe with its "branches" as an anti-feat when the comparison to a tree is specifically an analogy. I don't even know how much it would matter anyway, since the epilogue makes it pretty clear the protagonists don't even feel as though Godzilla was defeated, but instead simply disappeared.
- "The four new stones lined up, from the right, are Rodan, Anguirus, and Kumonga. Rodan was the one that fought first, and it is unclear how many of Kumonga he defeated, so they are all lumped together and considered one pillar.
- 'They're probably a collective consciousness or something.'
- There is a compromise in that area.
- I wondered whether to place a gravestone for Godzilla, but I decided that it was not something I should be offering a memorial for. With other monsters, I have a sense of having defeated them, but with Godzilla, it feels more real to say that he simply disappeared." (personal book translation)
Fully disagree with "possibly 1-A" being some sort of concession for the reasons I've already given, primarily because the true Godzilla's current scale comes solely from things that are demonstrably below it. While it can absolutely be argued whether the difference between it and these things is qualitative or quantitative, I think it's less accurate for us to act as though that debate doesn't exist at all.I understand the want for a "possibly 1-A" rating, but in my view, that's more of a concession rather than being entirely honest. My choice would be to keep the profiles as they currently are. So you can list me as disagreeing currently. Or if barring that, as in the upgrade is accepted on some level, then my preferred option would be "possibly 1-A" rather than a straight tier change.
However, while I'm more inclined towards 1-A than 1-B personally, I do want to reiterate that I don't actually have any opposition to "possibly 1-A", as it still acknowledges the arguments for the entity's transcendence.
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