Yuta Okkotsu vs Fern (Jujutsu Kaisen vs Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End)

[Jaynic1]

all im hearing is this

Generally speaking however, if a character in a match has to perform or use techniques in ways they have never shown to do in order to possibly win, the chances of that match being a stomp are quite high.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

all im hearing is this

Quite high but not certain. Yuta's DE isn't some far off ability that he never uses. It is an ability he uses with regularity, but he doesn't usually open with it. which is what he needs to do.

 

[Catbowtie]

We're both wrong because neither of us can hear words on a screen

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Quite high but not certain. Yuta's DE isn't some far off ability that he never uses. It is an ability he uses with regularity, but he doesn't usually open with it. which is what he needs to do.

Assuming he opens with DE, Fern is still x3 faster and as chariot said her MO is to gtfo away and spam, so the most likely scenario if we assume DE as the first move is that she outruns it. From there she just breaks the domain and picks on a weaker Yuta.

 

[Mommyleona]

I was replying to the fact he lead with DE against Sukuna

No you replied to

When exactly has yuta opened his domain with his opponent out of reach to move the domain to their location and entrap them?

period

Didn't think I had to elaborate literally every single time why I argued it after having already done so in detail, but I guess that's on me for expecting people to follow the entire conversation.

so you responded to a guy, talking about the whole domain wincon thingy, even though that said person was asking a completely different question? and you say im not capable of following a conversation?

This is a direct insult btw, really not what you wanna do here.

not a direct insult, not to mention you yourself have been disrespectul towards me the entire time, completely uncalled for

 

[Chariot190]

You're wrong either way. Yuta had a whole inner monolouge assessing sukuna's state and blaming himself for higgy getting downed all the while staring at sukuna. After that he then proceeded to engage him in cqc, so no he never once did domain as his first move.

Literally close enough, making sure he's up close so it works without fail is smart if anything

Buuuut, I don't care?
I'm not arguing he leads with it, in fact I'm arguing he doesn't lead with it 99% of the time.
What I AM saying tho, is that he can, and might be liable to, and that small chance is a wincondition.
There's also the off chance Fern herself doesn't do her usual thing, giving him a chance to make use of one of his options that would normally be useless but in the situation she doesn't spam Zoltraak, would become actual serious threats like CS.
Buuuuuuut, that's unlikely.

But being unlikely, and being a 0% chance, impossible, literally won't happen, are not the same thing.
You're confusing a decisive win with a stomp.

 

[Chariot190]

No you replied to

period

Well unfortunate, I'm telling you what I said.

so you responded to a guy, talking about the whole domain wincon thingy, even though that said person was asking a completely different question?

I was replying to the first half of what he said, figured it was obvious, my bad if it wasn't.

and you say im not capable of following a conversation?

Yes. That would appear to be the case given my claims had already been established in detail, I was already in a conversation with him, so why wouldn't I be replying to the facet of what he said that was topical to the existing conversation between me and him? That'd be common sense no?

not a direct insult, not to mention you yourself have been disrespectul towards me the entire time, completely uncalled for

Calling your arguments insufficient, wrong, or a waste of my time, and so forth is not the same as actually insulting, it's standard fair. if you can't handle that, you really shouldn't be here.
And trust me when I say, something as mundane as that can and will be considered an insult and against the rules, I speak from experience.

 

[Kachon123]

Thread full of yapping. Has Fern won yet?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Thread full of yapping. Has Fern won yet?

Yes, and it has been added to profile.

 

[Jaynic1]

Literally close enough, making sure he's up close so it works without fail is smart if anything

Buuuut, I don't care?
I'm not arguing he leads with it, in fact I'm arguing he doesn't lead with it 99% of the time.
What I AM saying tho, is that he can, and might be liable to, and that small chance is a wincondition.
There's also the off chance Fern herself doesn't do her usual thing, giving him a chance to make use of one of his options that would normally be useless but in the situation she doesn't spam Zoltraak, would become actual serious threats like CS.
Buuuuuuut, that's unlikely.

But being unlikely, and being a 0% chance, impossible, literally won't happen, are not the same thing.
You're confusing a decisive win with a stomp.

Agree to disagree. I'll post my opinion in the vs removal thread

 

[Mommyleona]

Well unfortunate, I'm telling you what I said.

You telling what you supposedly said, doesnt change what you actually said and what you actually was answering

I was replying to the first half of what he said, figured it was obvious, my bad if it wasn't.

first part of what? its 1 sentence

Yes. That would appear to be the case given my claims had already been established in detail

you saying something before =/= you right now answering something unrelated, but then acting as if its actually related

That'd be common sense no?

Considering you answered something different, no its not

Calling your arguments insufficient, wrong, or a waste of my time, and so forth is not the same as actually insulting

calling me obnoxious, ignorant, waste of time, constantly being condescending, constantly accusing me having some ulterior motives and so on, that is indeed disrespectful

if you can't handle that, you really shouldn't be here.
And trust me when I say, something as mundane as that can and will be considered an insult and against the rules, I speak from experience.

so you are free to being disrespectful to me (and others at that), but me, not even saying a direct insult or anything (direct insult would've been "you're dumb") is not okay? great

 

[Mommyleona]

can someone just close this already

 

[Wankbreaker]

Fern zoltraaks Yuta to death

 

[Chariot190]

You telling what you supposedly said, doesnt change what you actually said and what you actually was answering

What I actually said? I never at any point actually said a single thing about using to to reach or encroach on a target.
What I was answering, was the whole when did he use DE part, that'd be "against sukuna" part.

first part of what? its 1 sentence

The first part of the sentence, surely I don't need to explain even that?

you saying something before =/= you right now answering something unrelated, but then acting as if its actually related

It is though is it not? We're discussing DE, whether or not he uses it, and so forth. It's directly related. Just because I didn't comment on the facet of how he'd use it, doesn't mean I can't comment on the fact he does in general.

Considering you answered something different, no its not

That says more about you than it does me tbh.

calling me obnoxious, ignorant, waste of time, constantly being condescending, constantly accusing me having some ulterior motives and so on, that is indeed disrespectful

Saying someone is obnoxious, is, surprisingly, considered not a transgression, I've had mods say that shit even, I would think it is but I was told directly it wasn't so blame staff on that front.
Ignorant yes, if you say something and you're speaking from a place of lack of knowledge, that is, in fact, ignorance or being ignorant, that isn't disrespectful, that's legit just what's happening, idk what you want me to say to that, like do you want me pretend the majority of your claims wheren't evidently false and even the slightest bit of reading would grant you the information to know otherwise?
This entire conversation is a waste of time, the match ended already.
stating your arguments are ignorant when they are, insufficient, wrong, and so forth, is not being condescending.

I don't think I actually accused anyone of having an ulterior motive, others have, but pretty damn sure I never once did that, starting to think it tho ngl, lil odd this only happened once it's time to add the match.

so you are free to being disrespectful to me (and others at that), but me, not even saying a direct insult or anything (direct insult would've been "you're dumb") is not okay? great

Being blunt is not an insult regardless of what I may or may not wish to have said at points.
Saying that is.

 

[Chariot190]

also 70 posts arguing that it's a stomp after grace ended after 190 posts arguing why it actually isn't def isn't a lil bit sus.

 

[Hellformer]

is that supposed to be insulting?

Yeah it is, I'll see if it is report worthy and necessary actions will be taken soon

 

[FinePoint]

Friends, let's please all cut out the ad hominem attacks and accusatory/passive aggressive tones.

We should strive to be civil and collaborate respectfully.

@Chariot190 Even if not direct, I can fully understand how your tone be perceived as rude. A little politeness can go a long ways in keeping things peaceful.

@Mommyleona Saying someone looks dumb is definitely a direct insult, and generally not something we support. Your initial comment definitely feels in poor taste as well.

@Arceus0x Given the clear intention (and later admission you meant it was cringe), I would urge you against insulting people's positions like that. It's much preferred if you simply respond directly to any perceived weaknesses in the argument rather than discredit the entire thing with a negative comparison.

 

[Arceus0x]

@Arceus0x Given the clear intention (and later admission you meant it was cringe), I would urge you against insulting people's positions like that. It's much preferred if you simply respond directly to any perceived weaknesses in the argument rather than discredit the entire thing with a negative comparison

Wasn't talking about his position but I simply thought the way he replied was a bit cringe. It was mostly a joke especially considering it was made following me posting an low quality jpeg of a literal high horse in response to the same phrase.

 

[FinePoint]

Wasn't talking about his position but I simply thought the way he replied was a bit cringe. It was mostly a joke especially considering it was made following me posting an low quality jpeg of a literal high horse in response to the same phrase.

Alright, but regardless it's probably a bad idea to refer to people's posts as cringe unless you know them enough to know they'll understand it's a joke.

It's important to remember that tone is very hard to discern over text, and what is intended as a harmless joke can come across as a genuine insult.

You're not in trouble, but I would just urge you to be cautious is all.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Honestly though, how did no one argue Yuta using his domain and changing its coordinates as a way to get within range of Fern? That's one good way for he and Rika to close the distance and it's something he actually did canonically

That isn’t exactly a good wincon considering it would 1. Drain Yuta’s CE which would require him to pop Rika’s 5 minutes immediately after to recover enough to be worth anything really. 2. Fern can just move out of the way. 3. Fern can destroy the barrier from the outside assuming he hasn’t reversed the conditions of the domain.

Also the plan with moving the domain was to set up Maki into position to sneak attack Sukuna should Yuta fail to beat him inside his domain. That wouldn’t be viable here since there isn’t anyone to sneak attack Fern and Fern wouldn’t even be inside the domain so him moving his domain in the past isn’t exactly good reasoning for him doing it here.

 

[Jaynic1]

Pretty funny how this ended at page 3 and the rest of the pages is on if its a stomp.

Alright, but regardless it's probably a bad idea to refer to people's posts as cringe unless you know them enough to know they'll understand it's a joke.

It's important to remember that tone is very hard to discern over text, and what is intended as a harmless joke can come across as a genuine insult.

You're not in trouble, but I would just urge you to be cautious is all.

Can you close this thread? I dont see any purpose in continuing, i've already made a request in vs thread removal.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I was gonna vote Fern but heard the match got added already. Don't think this match is a stomp tbh.

Also want to say for people saying Fern will escape the Domain, peeps in JJK pop domains faster than the reaction speed of people equal to them. Being 3x faster wouldn't allow her to escape a Domain Expansion from up close if a Domain can capture someone like tens of meters away instantaneously from their perspective (No one in JJK has escaped a Domain Expansion, and have only barely been fast enough to pull off simple moves like simple Domain [and even then Todo still wasn't fast enough to do it to be unaffected by it]). The Domain can expand in 0.2 seconds from their perspective. But I don't think that really matters much here tbh.

 

[Chariot190]

@Chariot190 Even if not direct, I can fully understand how your tone be perceived as rude. A little politeness can go a long ways in keeping things peaceful.

My brother in christ, I've been actively writing 90% of what I've said with almost a deadpan level of tone. No nuance, no nothing, everything at face value.
People couldn't handle it when I wrote things with a more laidback tone, this is what they wanted.

Edit: For reference before someone bits my head off over nothing, this is just me saying that isn't me attempting to be rude, but legit just saying things as matter as factly as possible.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Banger matchup

 

[Chariot190]

Banger matchup

Imagine lying on the internet

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Imagine lying on the internet

Ngl the moment i reopened this thread, a Fern joined my game

 

[Chariot190]

Ngl the moment i reopened this thread, a Fern joined my game

is that ******* Chrollo Lucifer

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Ngl the moment i reopened this thread, a Fern joined my game

is that ASTD X?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

is that ******* Chrollo Lucifer

also yes that would be chrollo lol

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Imagine lying on the internet

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

is that ASTD X?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

seems like it but deadass Idk if I got the energy to get Sukuna in this game because getting heian Sukuna in the previous one was a hassle

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

also nice lol

 

[FinePoint]

My brother in christ, I've been actively writing 90% of what I've said with almost a deadpan level of tone. No nuance, no nothing, everything at face value.
People couldn't handle it when I wrote things with a more laidback tone, this is what they wanted.

There's definitely a level of emotion in what you've been writing in this thread, and on average they don't feel positive. I could, theoretically, give you a number of specific examples with analysis of how they read, but if you're interested in that we should probably discuss it privately at this point as to not derail.

For now what I will say is this: most cultures expect a certain degree of 'politeness' in any exchange, and so to be 'deadpan' can come off as inherently rude to a lot of people, since the baseline expectation is often set at some level of niceness.

Now, I am a firm believer that it's okay to be atypical, and I'm especially sympathetic with the fact that many people either can't or fail to understand all these nuances and then feel ostracized for seemingly no reason. So I believe you that you did not intend any rudeness, and you are not in any trouble, I'm just doing my best to spread reasonable caution and mediation in respect to the fact that someone felt concerned enough about the vibe of the thread to make a report about it.

For now, I'll consider that report resolved, as I think anything potentially important to be said has been said, and I will simply monitor it silently henceforth (since I am not personally interested in the topic itself.)

 

[Mommyleona]

Saying someone looks dumb is definitely a direct insult, and generally not something we support

Alright, i understand and apologise

 

[AthelChan]

Ngl the moment i reopened this thread, a Fern joined my game

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