Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

[Phsccarvalho]

Adam Bray, Kerrie Dougherty, Cole Horton, Michael Kogge - Star Wars_ Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded (2017, DK Publishing) - libgen.li

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DK - The Star Wars Book_ Expand your knowledge of a galaxy far, far away (2020, DK) - libgen.li

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Over 100mb? I'll only be able to download this tomorrow at someone's house.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Over 100mb? I'll only be able to download this tomorrow at someone's house.

What do you want me to scan from the visual dictionary?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

What do you want me to scan from the visual dictionary?

For now, there is no need.

Thanks for your help.

Speaking of which, did you find the CDZ and PDF for those two books?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Speaking of which, did you find the CDZ and PDF for those two books?

You mean where I found them?

On Libgen

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

although maybe you can just tell me what Legends stuff does this video use

@Phsccarvalho

 

[Phsccarvalho]

@Phsccarvalho

The video is too big, there's no way I can do that.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Over 100mb? I'll only be able to download this tomorrow at someone's house.

Might you be able to do the same with the imgur stuff?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Phsccarvalho Know anybody who can read French?

While Episodes 4, 5, and 6 have novelizations in English, 1, 2, and 3 are in French

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Know anybody who can read French?

no

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Adam Bray, Kerrie Dougherty, Cole Horton, Michael Kogge - Star Wars_ Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded (2017, DK Publishing) - libgen.li

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DK - The Star Wars Book_ Expand your knowledge of a galaxy far, far away (2020, DK) - libgen.li

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I downloaded it and took a look around.

Man, it's so nice to have scans of these two things. I don't have to keep cutting out screenshots and throwing them into a folder.

Unfortunately, I think this is from the first version of Absolutely_Everything_You_Need_to_Know, since I couldn't find it.

When my phone charges, I'll transfer it to my PC.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Dude, that's not possible.

The Inquisitor's pages are different in the two versions of Absolutely_Everything_You_Need_to_Know.

They completely removed the part explaining lightsaber forms and the Inquisitor having mastered them all.

It's no loss in terms of explaining lightsaber forms, but it is a considerable loss in terms of skill level.

In the next CRT I make, I'll fix this mistake I made.
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Good thing I didn't try to use this guide on the other pages/blogs, and that Mandalorian sandbox page is the same.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Imgur is on the fritz, so I split it into multiple posts:

I also managed to find the Secrets of the Sith book and get scans from it:

Not sure if you needed this or not

@Phsccarvalho Let’s also not forget about these, okay

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

In my headcanon I think the Sith use both artificial and bled crystals depending on the situation. Like if the Sith apprentice was a former Jedi then to prove themselves as Sith they would kill the Jedi they were closest to and gain their crystal to bled. But if the Sith apprentice was Sith from the start (like Maul for example), then they would use/make an artificial crystal instead.

@Phsccarvalho what are you're thoughts on this?

Also, is there anything you want from these two books?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Phsccarvalho Here are also the Disney novelizations of the classic trilogy incase they can be or any help:

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[Phsccarvalho]

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All-purpose request thread (New forum)

Still need? It can be closed now. thanks.

vsbattles.com

 

[Doggo]

Cool. It looks great honestly

https://vsbattles.com/threads/all-purpose-request-thread-new-forum.107534/post-7209777[/U

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[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Doggo Thoughts on the Low 7-C feat?

 

[Doggo]

@Doggo Thoughts on the Low 7-C feat?

which one?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

which one?

Plo Koon's Telekinetic power

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Who scales for Darth Vader post-Rebels? And what are the reasons (obviously, other than Luke and Palpatine)?

If I ever try to apply his Low 7-C feat (which I think is post-Rebels?)

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I'm still very confused about the ByAsura lightsaber CRT saying they don't get stronger in the hands of a Jedi. I mean, yes? But that applies to almost all melee weapons in fiction that are normal but cut through crazy things because of the user.

I actually don't really understand the purpose of his CRT? Like, we have Luke Low 7-C, and he's just that, not "Low 7-C, 8-A with the lightsaber."

Or was the purpose of that CRT so that Jedi don't increase the cutting power of their lightsaber (increasing heat/energy, etc.), although for some, like Vader, that's not true? But could a Jedi's Force power still cause greater damage using the lightsaber as a club (since the lightsaber behaves like a solid thing)?

Because, like, the lightsaber cut Vader's arm, so would all lightsabers have to be Low 7-C? Or should we consider that for some reason, at that moment, Vader wasn't amplified by the Force. Or that the damage was done through the raw power of the Force using the lightsaber rather than the cutting power of the lightsaber's heat?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Who scales for Darth Vader post-Rebels? And what are the reasons (obviously, other than Luke and Palpatine)?

If I ever try to apply his Low 7-C feat (which I think is post-Rebels?)

Yoda, Epsiode IV Obi-Wan, Amped Mace, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, can't remember many more.

Blasters would still be 8-A, since Vader eats blaster bolts without issue.

I'm still very confused about the ByAsura lightsaber CRT saying they don't get stronger in the hands of a Jedi. I mean, yes? But that applies to almost all melee weapons in fiction that are normal but cut through crazy things because of the user.

I actually don't really understand the purpose of his CRT? Like, we have Luke Low 7-C, and he's just that, not "Low 7-C, 8-A with the lightsaber."

Or was the purpose of that CRT so that Jedi don't increase the cutting power of their lightsaber (increasing heat/energy, etc.), although for some, like Vader, that's not true? But could a Jedi's Force power still cause greater damage using the lightsaber as a club (since the lightsaber behaves like a solid thing)?

Because, like, the lightsaber cut Vader's arm, so would all lightsabers have to be Low 7-C? Or should we consider that for some reason, at that moment, Vader wasn't amplified by the Force. Or that the damage was done through the raw power of the Force using the lightsaber rather than the cutting power of the lightsaber's heat?

it's probably an AP thing, since Vader has a tendency to eat Lightsaber hits occaisonally.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Who scales for Darth Vader post-Rebels?

Old Obi-Wan for one thing, but Vader does have High 5-A to High 4-C scaling though if you've watched the videos

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@Phsccarvalho Do you think all Force wielders should be Varies from Tier A to Tier B normally, Tier C at peak?

This is simply because Star Wars isn't like Dragon Ball at all, Freddie Prinze Jr. did once say in an interview that there are no power levels in Star Wars, but there's more nuance behind that statement in that you just can't give an attack potency to the Force. Trying to do so, to place every character into one neat level of power only lands you in the trappings of the Sith, it reveals just how much you don't understand the story of Star Wars, and it takes out the nuances of the Force itself; really when you think about it, no matter how strong or powerful the Sith may be, the Force will always be able to raise the Jedi up to be able to defeat them, that's just how it works, and even according to George Lucas himself the most powerful beings in the Star Wars Universe are neither the Jedi or Sith but the Whills, which are microscopic lifeforms that maintained a symbiotic relationship with the Midi-Chlorians.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yoda, Epsiode IV Obi-Wan, Amped Mace, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, can't remember many more.

Blasters would still be 8-A, since Vader eats blaster bolts without issue

hum...

Why Jango Fett? I think that would end up making a scale that would turn everyone into Low 7-C.

Yoda, Epsiode IV Obi-Wan, Amped Mace, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, can't remember many more.

Blasters would still be 8-A, since Vader eats blaster bolts without issue.

it's probably an AP thing, since Vader has a tendency to eat Lightsaber hits occaisonally.

What about the byasura crt?

Old Obi-Wan for one thing, but Vader does have High 5-A to High 4-C scaling though if you've watched the videos

@Phsccarvalho Do you think all Force wielders should be Varies from Tier A to Tier B normally, Tier C at peak?

I can't watch those videos now (mainly because they're all in English, and I don't speak English well).

There has to be a canonical reason/explanation for why they vary AP tiers. Inconsistency doesn't count.

The most we can do is have characters be tier X when they're not Force-amplified and tier Y when they are.

But that's basically impossible to measure because we don't know when they do it. The only good thing about this would be to use it as an excuse if something inferior hurt/killed a Jedi. Then we can use the excuse "for some reason he wasn't Force-amplified."

 

[DaReaperMan]

hum...

Why Jango Fett? I think that would end up making a scale that would turn everyone into Low 7-C.

Guy came very close to killing Mace, and the clones scaling to him doesn't make sense cause they themselves don't have a set power(One clone broke his hand trying to punch a battledroid, while others like Rex can physically beat them down).

What about the byasura crt?

Some people can just hit less hard than others. That was like 50% of Vader's combat style early on was just overpowering people because he's a force amplified Cyborg.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Guy came very close to killing Mace, and the clones scaling to him doesn't make sense cause they themselves don't have a set power(One clone broke his hand trying to punch a battledroid, while others like Rex can physically beat them down).

Some people can just hit less hard than others. That was like 50% of Vader's combat style early on was just overpowering people because he's a force amplified Cyborg.

Could you do this CRT? I don't really care who scales to Low 7-C.

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It would even be nice to do a scale chain, but I think that would be too much to ask of you, especially since you're not canon.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Could you do this CRT? I don't really care who scales to Low 7-C.

That requires me looking into things more, I'm going off of memory here.

It would even be nice to do a scale chain, but I think that would be too much to ask of you, especially since you're not canon.

I don't even have a proper legends scaling chain lol

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I can't watch those videos now (mainly because they're all in English, and I don't speak English well).

The shorthand of it is that Vader is stronger than Episode VII Kylo Ren, according to here in a match-up between him and Episode V Luke

"Although Luke defends himself with intense determination, Kylo's anger overpowers the young Jedi. Despite injuries, Kylo is willing to press his advantage and defeat his enemy"

Basically Kylo only beats Luke with high difficulty meanwhile we see Vader fighting Luke very casually in Episode V.

And Kylo Ren has as statements that put him above weapons of the First Order including Starkiller Base, putting him at High 4-C

"Freed from the pressure to live up to the Skywalker name, Ben takes on a new moniker Kylo Ren and is given the new, unrestained purpose as the ultimate weapon of Snoke and the First Order."

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I don't even have a proper legends scaling chain lol

Don't worry, Crisis did it for you:

 

[DaReaperMan]

The shorthand of it is that Vader is stronger than Episode VII Kylo Ren, according to here in a match-up between him and Episode V Luke

"Although Luke defends himself with intense determination, Kylo's anger overpowers the young Jedi. Despite injuries, Kylo is willing to press his advantage and defeat his enemy"

Basically Kylo only beats Luke with high difficulty meanwhile we see Vader fighting Luke very casually in Episode V.

Isn't that a ******* children's guidebook?

And Kylo Ren has as statements that put him above weapons of the First Order including Starkiller Base, putting him at High 4-C

"Freed from the pressure to live up to the Skywalker name, Ben takes on a new moniker Kylo Ren and is given the new, unrestained purpose as the ultimate weapon of Snoke and the First Order."

Do you really want me to get into how titanic of an outlier that is?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Don't worry, Crisis did it for you:

And I bet they're dogshit, like every scaling video since the dawn of YouTube. They're for fun, I wouldn't use them for ACTUAL FEATS.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I'm not sure how much Yoda scales:

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Do you really want me to get into how titanic of an outlier that is?

Vader says verbatum, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." when describing the Death Star, making him above High 5-A

Isn't that a ******* children's guidebook?

It's still a valid official source from one of the main people who write Star Wars Pablo Hidalgo. Are we going to discredit the Visual Dictionaries as valid sources for being children's guidebooks too?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Isn't that a ******* children's guidebook?

In all seriousness though I don't exactly take the information from the Head-to-Head books as as gospel, for example the Rebels: Head-to-Head had the Inquisitor beat Kanan and Ezra but yet in the season finale we see Kanan beat the Inquisitor, but I also think they do give a fair assessment of what each of the combatants bring to the table and what advantage it would give them over their opponent at the time

 

[Legion350]

I'm curious what is the highest blaster feat we have a calc for right now? I've heard mentions of Tier 8 in this thread.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Vader says verbatum, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." when describing the Death Star, making him above High 5-A

With, count em, ZERO FEATS approaching that level, and anti-feats against that level out the ass: case and point every feat currently called from people anywhere near Vader. I guess Palpatine should have survived the second Death Star going with sheer durability instead of body hopping, huh?

You want Vader at tier 5, bring me a feat for him at that level, and answer the many anti-feats. Until then, a single being walking around is far more of a threa than a superweapon Tarkin killed the Empire with

In all seriousness though I don't exactly take the information from the Head-to-Head books as as gospel, for example the Rebels: Head-to-Head had the Inquisitor beat Kanan and Ezra but yet in the season finale we see Kanan beat the Inquisitor, but I also think they do give a fair assessment of what each of the combatants bring to the table and what advantage it would give them over their opponent at the time

So you are sane, nice

I'm curious what is the highest blaster feat we have a calc for right now? I've heard mentions of Tier 8 in this thread.

Blaster feats are around 9-A usually, tier 8 comes from repeatedly killing Force Users so often it's hilarious.

 

[Legion350]

Vader says verbatum, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." when describing the Death Star, making him above High 5-A

It's still a valid official source from one of the main people who write Star Wars Pablo Hidalgo. Are we going to discredit the Visual Dictionaries as valid sources for being children's guidebooks too?

I don't agree with taking those kinds of statements tbh to scale Vader. Firstly, he doesn't explicitly refer to his own power here just the "force" which is true enough considering entities like the Ones. Also, as is mentioned there aren't any feats anywhere near the scale of the Death Star for any force user. The only feat by regular force users close that I know of is the Comet Kinro thing, and that has a lot of caveats. Finally, the statement can also be seen metaphorically considering that an untrained force user destroyed the Death Star.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

You want Vader at tier 5, bring me a feat for him at that level, and answer the many anti-feats. Until then, a single being walking around is far more of a threa than a superweapon Tarkin killed the Empire with

Okay, Palpatine bled a massive khyber crystal which was used as the power source for all of the Final Order Star Destroyers that can blow planets up. And Vader was not all that affected when Palpatine baths him in the light/power of that khyber crystal! (Star Wars: Darth Vader (2020) #11)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay, Palpatine bled a massive khyber crystal which was used as the power source for all of the Final Order Star Destroyers that can blow planets up. And Vader was not all that affected when Palpatine baths him in the light/power of that khyber crystal! (Star Wars: Darth Vader (2020) #11)

Funny how that's one feat shot in the foot by inverse square law, AND there's other nearby who definitely aren't tier 5.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Funny how that's one feat shot in the foot by inverse square law, AND there's other nearby who definitely aren't tier 5.

Here's what I got using some back of the napkin math:

The radius of Exegol is 13,694 km, and Star Destroyers are roughly the shape of a triangle.

Using the regular Star Destroyer for reference the width and length are 985.17 meters and 1,600.52 meters respectively.

Here we can get the width of the Final Order Star Destroyers:

2406*985.17/1,600.52 = 1480.968 m

This gives us an area:
.5*1480.968*2406 = 1781605 m^2

Number of Star Destroyers = 4*pi*13694000^2/1781605 = 1322693404 Star Destroyers

I'll assume each Star Destroyer has the same AP as the Death Star

1322693404*6.9580845e+38 = 9.20341E+47 J

Assuming Palps was 10 m away from Vader

9.20341E+47*1.9/(4*pi*10^2) = 1.39153E+45 J (High 4-C+)
Again this is silly back of napkin here, so don't take all of this too seriously