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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

how dare a game go it's own direction with the combat system instead of copy/pasting other games
KOTOR's combat system involves a lot of RPG mechanics along with moving around the map to sometimes heal, not sure how unique I would call it; since in the game you use blasters, melee weapons, and Force abilities, shouldn't more of the keyboard be used for controls for such attacks (I'm not sure if that came out right)
 
Man, I found some really good stuff about Force amplification in old threads, a lot of stuff about using the Force to amplify strength, durability, speed, etc. I think that's great because I don't like relying on RPG book material as my main focus.

@Phsccarvalho Might you use this video for reference? It mainly looks at Episodes 1-6:


This uses legends stuff, so I don't think so.
 
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I will be including those in my mandalorian study for profiles, ty a lot
Do you intend to remove this note from the Mandalorians' profiles?
Note:

  • Boba Fett does not scale to the likes of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader as Force users usually hold back against weaker opponents, and it is highly likely to be Plot Induced Stupidity that Boba Fett is able to harm characters on such level.
Because, like, I personally think it's nonsense.

Because like, guys like Boba Fett even though they're "normal humans" still have superhuman feats (he's currently a 9-A), plus kind of all the modern Mandalorian arsenal/equipment is made to be anti-Jedi described as being made to counter Jedi abilities.

Besides, in an interview, this is said:
 
Might as well scale Non-Force Users directly to Force Users lol

But no one is ready for that discussion

Even 5-B Legends Boba lmao. Honestly, given we already scale people like Durge and Grievious like that, I doubt doing the same with people like Boba will be any different
 
Might as well scale Non-Force Users directly to Force Users lol

But no one is ready for that discussion

Even 5-B Legends Boba lmao. Honestly, given we already scale people like Durge and Grievious like that, I doubt doing the same with people like Boba will be any different
"I thought Jedi were fast." ~ Champion of the Great Hunt, seconds after casually overpowering a Jedi Knight who had him at lightsaber point.
 
Might as well scale Non-Force Users directly to Force Users lol

But no one is ready for that discussion

Even 5-B Legends Boba lmao. Honestly, given we already scale people like Durge and Grievious like that, I doubt doing the same with people like Boba will be any different
I mean, don't force random users, I don't know, at most, just your weapons (but that depends on how the wiki takes durability vs. heat into account, because Jedi don't have heat resistance by default, which is the main form of damage for blasters).

I don't know about that Legends guy you mentioned, but both the Mandalorians and Grievos have statements comparing themselves to the Jedi.

Grievos even has statements like
"The warrior who would become Grievous receives cyborg implants, which grant him fighting prowess equal to that of a Jedi."

As you said, Mandalorians aren't much different from guys like Grievos, using technology to fight Jedi on equal terms.
 
I mean, don't force random users, I don't know, at most, just your weapons (but that depends on how the wiki takes durability vs. heat into account, because Jedi don't have heat resistance by default, which is the main form of damage for blasters).

I don't know about that Legends guy you mentioned, but both the Mandalorians and Grievos have statements comparing themselves to the Jedi.

Grievos even has statements like


As you said, Mandalorians aren't much different from guys like Grievos, using technology to fight Jedi on equal terms.
By the way, who's Grievos?
 
Anything good from the High Republic Era?
Inverse, there are some statements which hold the Jedi order as being the pinnacle of their power.

For feats, most centralize around Jedi stopping emergences from the Great Hyperspace Disaster, which travel at SOL-Relativistic speeds and are capable of surface wiping iirc.
 
Anything good from the High Republic Era?
Only this:

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I'm still digging through things (even with the bad internet) about some things, and sometimes I find things about scale.

Like, I find it funny how Canon increasingly wants to demonstrate Vader's power (in scale) through statements, but like, the feats don't stay the same?

In Skywalker: A Family At War, we have some statements by Anakin about having superior Force strength in the Jedi Order, about having become stronger in the Force than the Jedi who restrained him (probably referring to the Council?). We also have in Secrets of the Sith, with Sidius saying that Anakin was almost as strong as him.

But then we have Anakin being equal to Obi-Wan in the Force even on Mustafar (a place that is a nexus of the dark side), remembering that in canon there doesn't seem to be any such thing as him becoming weaker on Mustafar. Like, based on the statements, his transformation into a Sith amplified by emotions plus being on Mustafar should make him far superior in the Force than Obi-Wan.

So like Vader, it's said in Lords of Sith it's said "His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight. (p11)", and then we have him getting stronger and stronger in the Force (with no statement of loss of potential, as far as I remember, except for that interview with Lucas in 2005 that I don't even know if we consider as something primary). Like, he should have far surpassed Sidious in time.

When Vader entered the Force's mental plane on Mustafar, we got a glimpse of what he would be like at his "peak," defeating all the strongest Jedi in existence and easily defeating Sidious with a red Force lightning (the same color as the Son).

But like, besides the Force lightning, what exactly is stopping Vader from being so strong in the Force? I haven't read all the comics and novels, so I'm just talking about what I've seen so far. I want to bring up something.
 
He got his arms and his legs chopped off, meaning that he has less midi-chlorians thus he has less control over the Force
As far as I know, this no longer exists after Disney, especially with things like Lords of the Sith talking about Vader's damaged body refining him spiritually, making him stronger in the Force. Of course, there may be some statement about this after Disney, but I haven't found it yet.
 
I'm still digging through things (even with the bad internet) about some things, and sometimes I find things about scale.

Like, I find it funny how Canon increasingly wants to demonstrate Vader's power (in scale) through statements, but like, the feats don't stay the same?

In Skywalker: A Family At War, we have some statements by Anakin about having superior Force strength in the Jedi Order, about having become stronger in the Force than the Jedi who restrained him (probably referring to the Council?). We also have in Secrets of the Sith, with Sidius saying that Anakin was almost as strong as him.

But then we have Anakin being equal to Obi-Wan in the Force even on Mustafar (a place that is a nexus of the dark side), remembering that in canon there doesn't seem to be any such thing as him becoming weaker on Mustafar. Like, based on the statements, his transformation into a Sith amplified by emotions plus being on Mustafar should make him far superior in the Force than Obi-Wan.

So like Vader, it's said in Lords of Sith it's said "His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight. (p11)", and then we have him getting stronger and stronger in the Force (with no statement of loss of potential, as far as I remember, except for that interview with Lucas in 2005 that I don't even know if we consider as something primary). Like, he should have far surpassed Sidious in time.

When Vader entered the Force's mental plane on Mustafar, we got a glimpse of what he would be like at his "peak," defeating all the strongest Jedi in existence and easily defeating Sidious with a red Force lightning (the same color as the Son).

But like, besides the Force lightning, what exactly is stopping Vader from being so strong in the Force? I haven't read all the comics and novels, so I'm just talking about what I've seen so far. I want to bring up something.
Depression
 
I'm still digging through things (even with the bad internet) about some things, and sometimes I find things about scale.

Like, I find it funny how Canon increasingly wants to demonstrate Vader's power (in scale) through statements, but like, the feats don't stay the same?

In Skywalker: A Family At War, we have some statements by Anakin about having superior Force strength in the Jedi Order, about having become stronger in the Force than the Jedi who restrained him (probably referring to the Council?). We also have in Secrets of the Sith, with Sidius saying that Anakin was almost as strong as him.

But then we have Anakin being equal to Obi-Wan in the Force even on Mustafar (a place that is a nexus of the dark side), remembering that in canon there doesn't seem to be any such thing as him becoming weaker on Mustafar. Like, based on the statements, his transformation into a Sith amplified by emotions plus being on Mustafar should make him far superior in the Force than Obi-Wan.

So like Vader, it's said in Lords of Sith it's said "His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight. (p11)", and then we have him getting stronger and stronger in the Force (with no statement of loss of potential, as far as I remember, except for that interview with Lucas in 2005 that I don't even know if we consider as something primary). Like, he should have far surpassed Sidious in time.

When Vader entered the Force's mental plane on Mustafar, we got a glimpse of what he would be like at his "peak," defeating all the strongest Jedi in existence and easily defeating Sidious with a red Force lightning (the same color as the Son).

But like, besides the Force lightning, what exactly is stopping Vader from being so strong in the Force? I haven't read all the comics and novels, so I'm just talking about what I've seen so far. I want to bring up something.
Depression
Also, it doesn't help that the most notable point of comparison is Sidious, who has the perfect way of channeling strength from the Dark Side

Vader was always held back by his innermost desires deep down that he eventually had to bury because he was resigned to the fact that they could never be. But no matter how much he hated that and tried to cut it all off, they always lingered, and eventually could no longer be ignored by the time of the ESB and RotJ

Tbh, it might have been intentional on Sidious' part that he taught Vader the dark side in a way that he couldn't outgrow him. I think it's pretty telling that Vader was too strong for anyone else until Luke, who is stated to have the same potential as Anakin, completed his training. According to From a Certain Point of View, ANH Obi-Wan, who was at least as formidable as Rebels Maul and Ahsoka, thought he had no chance of defeating him

He was strong enough to be the ultimate weapon, but only enough to stay Sidious' weapon. Only in the end, when Vader is finally who he wants to be, is he capable of killing the guy (admittedly by surprise)
 
@Phsccarvalho Any thoughts or what other Legends stuff does the video use?
The old individual versions are not canonical, the new ones are.

These things, despite having similarities, undergo revisions and so on.

I even took a look at this book (I used it on the lightsaber blog) but I didn't do a general review because I couldn't find any pdfs or anything like that, just a guy reviewing it on YouTube, so it's difficult to read because of the quality.
 
These things, despite having similarities, undergo revisions and so on.

I even took a look at this book (I used it on the lightsaber blog) but I didn't do a general review because I couldn't find any pdfs or anything like that, just a guy reviewing it on YouTube, so it's difficult to read because of the quality.
Just requested it from my library system, along with the individual visual dictionaries of Episodes 3, 4, 5, and 6 just to compare them side by side
 
In Legends, is the red lightsaber made from artificial crystals?

Sorry, Legends, I prefer the bleeding.
they are either artificial or straight up just found lol, though the natural ones are very rare, Vader actually found one and used it.
 
In Legends, is the red lightsaber made from artificial crystals?

Sorry, Legends, I prefer the bleeding.
In my headcanon I think the Sith use both artificial and bled crystals depending on the situation. Like if the Sith apprentice was a former Jedi then to prove themselves as Sith they would kill the Jedi they were closest to and gain their crystal to bled. But if the Sith apprentice was Sith from the start (like Maul for example), then they would use/make an artificial crystal instead.
 
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The old individual versions are not canonical, the new ones are.

These things, despite having similarities, undergo revisions and so on.
Just got the books, and taking a cursory look at the contents, while some of the visuals are different, the text is pretty much the same, although maybe you can just tell me what Legends stuff does this video use

Here is the table of content for the main books in question if you want anything specific scanned:



 
Just got the books, and taking a cursory look at the contents, while some of the visuals are different, the text is pretty much the same, although maybe you can just tell me what Legends stuff does this video use

Here is the table of content for the main books in question if you want anything specific scanned:




Also since the Complete Visual Dictionary does not include Rise of Skywalker, here is the table of contents for it:

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I'd rather not take any chances. While much of it may be the same, there are some things that might not be.

For example, "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know" and "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded," the first of the two versions, has many identical aspects, but some revisions. The first version is said to contain Legends content.

So I'd rather not take any chances and get the post-Disney/2015 versions, since they're more reliable because they've been revised.
 
For example, "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know" and "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded," the first of the two versions, has many identical aspects, but some revisions. The first version is said to contain Legends content.
I managed to find a cbz of Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded and a pdf of The Star Wars Book: Expand your knowledge of a galaxy far, far away. Where could I share them with you?
 
Mediafire?

 
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