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Holy Grail War! Stelle & Saber (Artoria) Vs Aventurine and Archer (EMIYA) (Honkai: Star Rail X Fate/Stay Night) [8-5-4]
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Btw the servant physiology page still applies to them (even though I have zero idea whats going on with that page)
Actually wait. Saw Lancer going spirit form. Yeah the physiology page still applies to them.
Actually wait. Saw Lancer going spirit form. Yeah the physiology page still applies to them.
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Hmm, ok then. So seeing as it's noted that the Servant Physiology page is in the process of getting fixed, I guess my next question is "Are any of these usable? ":
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- Spatial Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Regeneration and Immortality (Type 4) Negation Via Causality Negation: Conceptual weapons are able to attack concepts, natural providence, and space as well nullifying said concepts like Immortality by overwriting them
- Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation and Information Manipulation: Just like any other characters in the Nasuverse, a Servant's body and mind protect their souls from harm. Furthermore, they can take hits directed to their Spirit Origins, the CPU of the soul to an extent. Souls are also higher dimensional information forms.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Servant_Physiology#cite_note-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>
- Law Manipulation: Conceptual Magecraft is ineffective against Servants with Rank B Magic Resistance and they are capable of completely canceling it. Authorities are considered to act akin to a type of conceptual Magecraft.
- Chaos Manipulation
- Probability Manipulation: Via resisting misfortune spells, such as Cú's runes.
- Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation: Servants with Rank D Magic Resistance can cancel a bubble of frozen space. Violet's Crack Ice Id_es which stops both time and space is stated to be resisted through Rank C Magic Resistance. Servants can also survive hits from Altera's attack that sheared a whole dimension away from existence. Should be resistant to modern Magecraft, including the one used by the Emiya family to speed up or slow down time or place objects in stasis.
- BFR and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: Can resist Medea's teleportation.
- Corrosion Inducement: Servants can survive within the abyss, which was able to decay and rot objects.
- Matter Manipulation and Body Puppetry: Due to resisting Alchemy, which deals with the manipulation of matter and bodies.
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You mean like what can work on Stelle and Aventurine or what is not outdated for here?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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If you asking about outdated, I have zero idea. (Shouldnt be a problem anyways since theres 2 servants fighting each other here)
For the other one. Stelle and Aventurine resists Imaginary energy haxes and parts of the Path of Nihility
Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
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The Servant Physiology resistances are the most important part here, as if the one's I listed can be used then that would mean that Saber can shut down Adventurine's hax, while Archer can shutdown most of The Trailblazer's as well. With that said, this can either turn into a 2 vs 1(assuming that Saber can defeat Adventurine fast enough) or it might just come down to 1-on-1 fight between Saber and Archer.If you asking about outdated, I have zero idea. (Shouldnt be a problem anyways since theres 2 servants fighting each other here)
For the other one. Stelle and Aventurine resists Imaginary energy haxes and parts of the Path of Nihility
Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
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The issue is that Aventurine is still the strongest one out of all 4 of them and has the Temu Gate of Babylon
Stelle does have all the haxes under path of Destruction, Harmony, and Preservation
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I see, so how strong is he compared to the other 3?
Yes I'm aware, which is why I think Aventurine is the one who's most likely to be taken out first(as he has no heat resistance and thus can be taken out by Saber's Excalibur), while Stelle can probably hold of Archer long enough for Saber to join in and tag team him.
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Strong but the fight should still be possible
Stelle could probably use her taunt so Aventurine and Archer are stuck locked onto her. She can also damage reduce them and buff her own defense.
Unless aventurine just ignores the taunt and forces everyone to this
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not sure if he even resist the taunt, otherwise insee the fight as rathwr incon since other than the stuff between the
two mentioned, both Tb And aventurine have conceptual sealing from preservation so like there isnt a genuine way for one or another to win
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the taunt doesnt work if he forces everyone to play his dice game
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Just saying, Im one shotting Aventurine with Phainon's meteor before he has a chance to cast that game next MOC
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I am one shotting Aventurine with Hook
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What’s up with you and maining Hook
Also I don’t think the conceptual sealing from a pathstrider of preservation is gonna work on the guy who possesses 1/10th the power of an Emanator of preservation
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the haxxes are NOT layered and i dont think he has resistances to those powers, if he has then…
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I mean for me it just sounds really really wrong for a pathstrider to hax the 1/10th Emanator of the same path. It’s like on the level of Base Dan Heng somehow being stronger than Emanator Herta and Welt here before. That’s just me though.
What’s yall votes
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We would need more information about same path guys fighting to be honest
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Outside of Stelle Vs Aventurine and Sunday, we’re getting 2 self annihilators fighting each other
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Stelle fought aventurine using the lance but without using any hax right and she still needed help+ acheron to win
And Sunday was technically Order, not harmony (I don't remember penacony fight against him right now)
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Ik vro but we dont have layered haxxes yet, plus aventurine can do the same to TB thats why i think its incon
Lowkey correct they ae just aura farming bums
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Dark ages of the wiki when everyone in amphoreus was ranked stronger than an Emanator on here
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This Saber spams excalibur like 40 times in fights, non stop, thanks to sunday, tignyung and huo huo battering her
Like, if you don't hear excalibur, then another excalibur in the next 2 seconds, you are playing the game wrong
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vrotein mixed gameplay meta with vs debating (i still didnt get saber
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intresting. makes me less intrested in fight though lol
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I don't understand what you are saying between all the Excaliburs I am hearing+ your wordingvrotein mixed gameplay meta with vs debating (i still didnt get saber
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Wait Aquila doesnt have a profile on here??? Wasnt there a sandbox months ago
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I'm voting for Saber and Stelle for reasons that I stated.
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Flash update. Aventurine now has Hyperversal Path of Preservation
Aventurine
Aventurine (アベンチュリン, Abenchurin?), whose true name is Kakavasha, is a senior manager in the IPC Strategic Investment Department and one of the Ten Stonehearts. His Cornerstone is "Aventurine of Stratagems". He possesses an air of frivolity and doesn't shy away from taking risks. His constant...
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Does the fight change or nahvrotein mixed gameplay meta with vs debating (i still didnt get saber
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Oh ok then. I'm assuming that The Trailblazer would also scale to this due to being an Emanator? In which case I guess we're back to my first 2 questions:Flash update. Aventurine now has Hyperversal Path of Preservation
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Aventurine (アベンチュリン, Abenchurin?), whose true name is Kakavasha, is a senior manager in the IPC Strategic Investment Department and one of the Ten Stonehearts. His Cornerstone is "Aventurine of Stratagems". He possesses an air of frivolity and doesn't shy away from taking risks. His constant...
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yea aventurine one shots with. path of preservation
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Would he even use it in the fight or right off the bat. In his own boss fight none of his preservation powers were 1-B level
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his cornerstone was bwoken man, think he tried to use it when he opened gates of gamblion but yk what happened next
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He'd still be able to use it even with a broken cornerstone. Idk if his Unlimited Coin Works is 1-B or its just strong.
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If his Walmart gates of babylon was 1-b, this would explain a lot of things. His physicals clearly do not match it alongside his other attacks. Acheron also believed that the astral express has a chance of beating Aventurine and said that she would only interfere and intercept him if the fight wasn’t in the favor for them, which is when he used his ultimate final gamble attack.
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well gates of gamblion does look as his strongest and 1-B move esp aince vro even made a barier that took acheron sword to break it so
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