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Because Auditor was in the epicenter of the explosion, which means just about every 8-C would scale to the feat due to Hank harming The Auditor.
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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer
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And so do we 100% accept this or only considering a possibility?
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I already know someone would argue that Auditor could've been intangible when the strike hit the building, however considering the improbability drive functions off dissonance much like everything else made by Nexus Core, it's likely auditor just facetanked it.
Someone would just need to calc the destruction of the building.
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I actually remember that someone already calced, only if I remembered correctly
Will try to find a calc, although it is probably still better to do a new one
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What do you guys think about making profiles for Church and Jorge
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They definitely should
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they'll 100% get one.
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Okay when I finish Phobos’ revamped page, I’m gonna have the dissonance page included in his CRT, get that on Auditor’s page.
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Also, for all you that love big abilities on the profile the Arena Mode Player is more than likely going to get High-Godly regen.
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How? Because he resisted The Nowhere?
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The entire point of arena mode is that the player specifically doesn't resist The Nowhere. When they return to the nowhere, they return to the machine where they are erased from existence and their story is untold. The Player, obviously, returns from this to restart the endless cycle.
it's a bit of a more unorthadox way of High-Godly, but returning from your very narrative being erased is high-godly.
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Yes, their story and progress get erased, but they themself stay intact and nothing indicates that their existence gets erased, instead of just their progress
If I remember correctly Gambler even says that you can endure it
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Isn't like a sacrifice?
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The place that erases you from existence is probably indication that they got erased from existence unless i missed dialogue.
Gambler says The Maker can walk through it freely, idk about anyone else.
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no you didn't it was pretty much said that you "cease to exists"
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WHAT THE **** BUT ONLY ONE GUY USES IT
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2, actually
Arena Protagonist and Crackpot
Technically also various The Machine's robots
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we need scans
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Literally the only person who uses this is the arena mode player. it doesn't qualify for a verse-specific power lol.
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Crackpot because of the boon tokens right? I guess that implies it but I don't think it's explicitly confirmed. If it's true though that might imply that the employers also use that kind of machine magic?
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Crackpot yes, seems to use Magic, albeit it is not directly stated
As for Employers, there is nothing indicates they use magic and they just appear to have own unique powers
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where? he has so few appearances in game i have no idea where would they imply that?
and even if he does, still not enough people who use magic for it to be a verse-specific power.
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His boss fight, lmao
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oh my ******* thats DISSONANCE not MAGIC
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It doesn't look like dissonant at all, but at same time it perfectly replicates particles of Thaumaturgical Magic
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It's the same projectile Phobos and Jebediah use. wdym?
Yeah but he was also a nexus core scientist who was exposed to dissonance. so it's like 99% chance it's dissonance
and also it "perfectly replicates" it because you used him as proof that it does that.
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They aren't same. Just look on them closer - his powers have notiecably different effects from Jeb's and Phobos' dissonant, and here are no logical explanations on why Crackpot's powers in particular are so different from everyone else using dissonant
Crackpot's projectiles are identical to Thaumaturgical Magic (That are also used by both Arena Protagonist and The Machine's Thaumatic Robots). You can just enter the game and check this
Crackpot bearing magic can be explained through his interest in the Boon coins during the Arena Mode, since Boon Coins are explicitly used to receive magic
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So we're gonna give crackpot a dozen new abilities he's never been implied or even shown to ever have because he has boon tokens?? I want something far more concrete that shows him using his other magic abilities especially because him having dissonance is a lot more consistent and lines up with other dissonance users.
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Crackpot not gonna to have "dozens of abilities", only Thauma and what he has shown to do overall
Him having magic make far more sense, because why else it is so different from dissonant powers and looks far more similar to Thauma? (His powers are literally same with Thaumatical robots, mind you). And his interest in boon coins only further solidifies this stance
Also, I don't remember there are being any proofs on him having dissonant either way.
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He's never shown to be able to manipulate the fundamental building block of reality. And, he would get the general abilities of magic no matter what.
His powers literally line up 1-1 with dissonance im not sure what you're talking about. Him having boon tokens doesn't really prove anything. He's never used them, and doesn't even have a wand that he can use magic with.
He's literally wearing an Anti-Dissonance headpiece, and resurrects as a zombie at the end of the game. Those are like two big dissonance things just off the top of my head.
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Okay? This is still the way Thaugma is described, with undermining and attacking something on the fundamental level. It is a direct statement and Carckpot's abilities fit how we see Thaumaturgical magic from Arena Mode
They really don't. You can enter the game and spawn Crackpot alongside Dissonant weapons users and see that their attacks follow some different particles (It is primarily can be seen when their "bullets' hit something). You also can summon Thaumatic robots and notice that Crackpot's attacks actually look exactly like projectiles of these Robots'.
I don't see how it proves him being dissonant radiated, shouldn't him wearing stuff like this only prove that he is protected from dissonance? And Zombies don't have any relation to dissonant, they are just resurrected corpses via use of S-3LFs
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okay but does crackpot ever do that? yes or no.
If not, he can't have magic.
and does crackpot have a wand like the only other magic user in the verse? no? oh then it's not magic.
And you can't use the excuse that the machine's robots don't need wants because because thats from a 1-A entity that controls every aspect of existence.
You're under the assumption the anti-dissonance gear worked, which it didn't. the in-game description for it says it barely ever worked.
Tricky? Madness Combat 3? Where he famously resurrects as a zombie right on screen?
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Wdym "does he have it"? I literally explained why he has it
He has no wand, okay? It absolutely doesn't change a fact that Crackpot can shoot magic
Honestly, you don't even argue here what Crackpot can do but rather his magic. If you disagree with Thauma having Information Manipulation, then it is a completely different story which doesn't invalid Crackpot evidently using it
Also, Crackpot's boon coins are clearly connected to The Machine as we literally see some robots carrying it in Gambler's dimension and they also have a mark of gears on themselves, so i don't get this argument
I don't really agree with Tricky being brought be dissonant, since his resurrection comes from some lighting which hits him. Please, don't bring here Jeb's halo shooting lightings, as his Halo is special in terms of how it uses dissonant
And finally, Dossier STATES that Crackpot utilizes magic. Meanwhile for Jeb it says that he uses dissonant bolts, for example
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But he can't because it's established you need a wand of some sort, which he very much does not have.
No i don't disagree with thauma having information manipulation. it's literally stated in game that it does that. I disagree with Crackpot having magic because he doesn't showcase any magic abilities.
I don't disagree with boon coins being connected to magic. i disagree with him having them meaning he has access to magic.
So no proof of it not being dissonance, you just don't like the vibes of that despite the two characters exposed to dissonance resurrecting as zombies. okay.
Dissonance is described as magic.
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But he regardless is still shown to use magic as an attack despite not having wands
And dissonant was never stated to be magic and it literally doesn't matter when Crackpot's powers within Dossier are outright stated as magical, while Jeb's dissonant is not
Buddy, look on this ()
And now look on this ()
They are clearly same
The fact that he wants Boon coins probably does allude on that he understands their meaning (Boon Coins have absolutely no other purpose beyond being used for achieving magic, at least from what we know). Crackpot is a smart fella after all and he is shown to have awarness about Higher Powers in his manuscripts (But I have to admit that yeah it is quite vague and we have no direct answers)
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So it's not magic???? Like if it goes against what was established IN THE SAME EXACT GAME then chances are it's not magic
Magic Meter for the halo says otherwise.
And unfortunately that contradicts what we're told in the exact same game, so either Crackpot is simply immune to rules of magic so he can use it or it's not magic.
He simply doesn't showcase the other abilities of magic that anyone could confidently say he has magic. Sure he may have boon coins, but considering the only characters in the game have shown to be capable of using them is The Gambler and The Maker i'm a little hesitant to say Crackpot of all people could aswell, since thats kinda a big jump.
I'd say it's only a possibility that he has magic, but it should be assumed he was poisoned with dissonance much like any other scientist at the time. I'd remove his abilities from the blog post. (not that it can be a verse specific power anyways, 5 people don't use magic in madness combat)
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