Revision for Toho's Creations: Part 5

[That_moron2]

All credits goes to users Divini and Apex Predator GX for their hard work by finding all the scans/links/information that made this thread possible. Also, credits to CitRusReality64 for finding all the Black Hole scans/stuff that made this thread possible.
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This will be simple.

Heisei Era:

• Heisei Godzilla:
  • Minor Earth Manipulation & Weather Manipulation (Godzilla simply waking up can cause major earthquakes, fires, and typhoons (Skip 2:34))
  • Acausality Type 1 (Heisei Godzilla is immune to changes in the past and standard temporal paradoxes (Skip 1:08:08))
  • His cells survived entering a Black Hole creating SpaceGodzilla. Therefore he an Vs. Megaguirus Godzilla, who
  • Was hit by a miniature black hole capable to absorb even light waves, later it was revealed by the human characters that he escaped from the black hole. It was so powerful that it was shown and stated to have distorted time and space, ripping open a wormhole in the fabric of the universe. There is a similar case with Pipeworks, Defense Force, Godzilla: The Game, CR, SpaceGodzilla Heisei and Pipeworks, etc. whos cells survived entering a black hole where SpaceGodzilla was created should get resistance to the following:
  • Resistance to Black Holes & Space-Time Manipulation (Black holes themselves aren't part of the Space-Time continnum, they can break down Space and Time, and time is non existent within it. Its possible dark matter and energy can be generated within supermassive black holes.)
  • Causality Manipulation (Black holes nullify cause and effect relation)
  • Energy Absorption & Light Manipulation (Blackholes grow by absorbing matter which includes things like energy, light, gas, etc, and bend them infinitely)
  • Gravity Manipulation (A black hole is so dense that gravity just beneath its surface, the event horizon, is strong enough that nothing – not even light – can escape)
  • Matter Manipulation, Deconstruction & Durability Negation (Sub-Atomic - Beyond the event horizon, black holes tear matter down to its most fundamental sub-atomic components. Black holes have also entropy, which increases by consuming matter)
• Biollante:
  • Tier High 4-C AP for her Rose Form (As shown here, she can indeed harm Heisei Godzilla in this form)
  • Energy Manipulation & Toxicity Manipulation (Can manipulate the energy of her core and generate a Toxic Sap)
  • Telepathy (Biollante is inhabited by the spirit of Erika Shiragami, who can speak through her telepathically (Skip 1:35:59))
  • Light Absorption (Via light energy spores)
  • Mist Manipulation (Covered Lake Ashi with mist)
• KIDS/MOTHER:
  • Light Manipulation, Energy Manipulation/Projection, Radiation Manipulation & Information Analysis (Light emitted from the paraboloid-shaped device can teleport objects. Can fire a laser made out radiation (Skip 41:29))
• Heisei King Ghidorah:
  • Is a clone of Showa Ghidorah, which should grant him access to all Showa Ghidorah abilites.
  • Matter Manipulation (Sub-Atomic), Extreme Heat Generation, (4 trillion degrees), Fusionism of Molecules, Deconstruction, Resistance to All previously mentioned + the powers in his profile (Heisei King Ghidorah can manipulate Quark-Gluon Plasma - he can take his own gravity beams)
• Larva Heisei Mothra:
  • Organic Manipulation, Breath Attack, Energy Projection, Light Manipulation/Absorption (Silk Projection, Mothra's antenna-like prong on her tail is able to absorb energy from the sun to help give Mothra strength)
  • Extrasensory Preception (She can detect the Cosmos with her sixth sense (Skip 1:00:26))
• Adult Heisei Mothra:
  • Radiation Negation, Paralysis Inducement & Sound Manipulation (Can neutralize radioactive energy, paralyze her opponents, produce ultrasonic beams)
  • Holy Manipulation (Can emit holy/light rays (Skip 1:35:12))
  • Duplication (Mothra sprouts off mini Mothras in space)
• Larva Battra:
  • Extrasensory Preception & Light Manipulation/Absorption (He can detect other kaiju with his sixth sense, light manipulation (Skip 1:15:26))
  • Vibration Manipulation (Vibration manipulation in order to burrow underground (Skip 31:50))
  • Subsonic swimming speed (Subsonic swimming speed (Skip 38:30))
• Adult Battra:
  • Sound Manipulation (Divine Moths can neutralize radioactive energy, paralyze their opponents, produce ultrasonic beams)

Thoughts?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I think it's very straightforward, and I obviously agree since I helped a tiny bit.

 

[Sayuki_Mikaru]

Wow. I'm Agree

 

[Papz006xz]

I'm Agree

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Looks good, nice work. I agree

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

I agree with everything.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I may need more time to analyze all this.

 

[Tago238]

Comments on black hole slop as a guy currently doing some advanced reading for a GR course:

Causality manipulation is fine I guess, it doesn’t “nullify” cause and affect, but if you follow general relativity, inside the event horizon timelike intervals become spacelike intervals and vice versa. Which could be used to argue that characters who can still operate normally while within the event horizon compared to people outside can resist powers which involve forcing them into some “alternate causality”.

It’s kind of hard to separate this from “resistance to space time manipulation” (problem with both of the powers tbh) but it’s fine I suppose.

I disagree with resistance to spatial manipulation, matter manipulation and durability negation. As it happens “spaghettification” and other such effects have absolutely no tendency to negate durability. At the smallest levels, a metric shift doesn’t act differently from a strain being applied to an object, if the curvature of spacetime appears to”stretch” an object then intermolecular forces will act as if stretching has occurred. In the end, it’s just a question of whether they are stretched faster than the intermolecular forces can respond to. This is the basis of Feynman’s sticky bead argument for energy transfer with gravitational waves. Ultimately, “spaghettification” is an effect perfectly translated into the tidal forces of classical mechanics.

I’m also not really what them having entropy has to do with anything, also.

Existence Erasure is problematic for obvious reasons.

Not sure about why you’d give it a “quantum manipulation” power either or “information manipulation”, but I’m not sure what “information” is even supposed to be in VSBW so I won’t comment on that.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I disagree with resistance to spatial manipulation, matter manipulation and durability negation. As it happens “spaghettification” and other such effects have absolutely no tendency to negate durability. At the smallest levels, a metric shift doesn’t act differently from a strain being applied to an object, if the curvature of spacetime appears to”stretch” an object then intermolecular forces will act as if stretching has occurred. In the end, it’s just a question of whether they are stretched faster than the intermolecular forces can respond to. This is the basis of Feynman’s sticky bead argument for energy transfer with gravitational waves. Ultimately, “spaghettification” is an effect perfectly translated into the tidal forces of classical mechanics.

Over the years Godzilla has entered black holes across different media. The wiki uses accepted information regarding black holes based on scientific articles, and that scientific article posted in the OP clearly states that:

Once inside the black hole’s event horizon, matter will be torn apart into its smallest subatomic components and eventually be squeezed into the singularity. As the singularity accumulates more and more matter, the size of the black hole’s event horizon increases proportionally.

Therefore, it seems accurate that Godzilla has Resistance to Matter Manipulation, Deconstruction, and Durability Negation.

Not sure about why you’d give it a “quantum manipulation” power either or “information manipulation”, but I’m not sure what “information” is even supposed to be in VSBW so I won’t comment on that.

Because Quantum Manipulation is manipulating information at the most fundamental level possible...

 

[Tago238]

Over the years Godzilla has entered black holes across different media. The wiki uses accepted information regarding black holes based on scientific articles, and that scientific article posted in the OP clearly states that:


Therefore, it seems accurate that Godzilla has Resistance to Matter Manipulation, Deconstruction, and Durability Negation.

I don’t think this is engaging with the substance of the comment. Look up the sticky bead argument, it relies on the fact that a connected object with a sufficient local speed of sound won’t change (whereas the distance between the beads will). Strong enough tidal forces will break things up a lot, but they don’t fundamentally act different or particularly bypass durability.

Because Quantum Manipulation is manipulating information at the most fundamental level possible...

I think information as is used in physics is a bit different from some metaphysical, substrate of reality which seems to be what VSBW talks about. Quantum information is just talking about the information you can get from a quantum system, nothing of fundamental significance. If people want to draw more from that they can but that’s not the science as it’s known.

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

I don’t think this is engaging with the substance of the comment.

I think it does; no offense, but this is basically your opinion vs. a scientific article.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I think it does; no offense, but this is basically your opinion vs. a scientific article.

Kiryu is right, not to mention that there is plenty of evidence in favor of using those resistances.

I don’t think this is engaging with the substance of the comment.

Also, I don't understand your point against these resistances, knowing that Godzilla already has those added into his profile. So if anything, it is consistent. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Anyway, the Resistance to Information Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation, and Existence Erasure proposals were already removed from the OP.

 

[Tago238]

I think it does; no offense, but this is basically your opinion vs. a scientific article.

My opinion isn’t really contradicting anything there for one, just your interpretation of a 200 word summary thing from “union university”. It’s your opinion vs Feynman.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@KingTempest @Dereck03

And the proposals all look good after double checking.