John EBG Resistances.

[Arkansalter2]

Well. Here we go here we go here we go.
Resistance to Heat Manipulation: 54,000F or 30000C (Is unaffected by the burning properties of lightning attacks, which can output up to 54,000F or 30000C), likely at least 5500 kelvin (According to google, searching up exploding yellow star temperature is between 4000K-7000K, simple math puts the median at 5500. This resistance comes from the solar element where the player is unaffected by the heating properties of an exploding star [what the hell]. This should be a real creation of a mini star since the description of said spell states "Form a burning sun that fires several condensed beams, followed by its own destruction." This is along with the fact that there are other "sun" related spells in the moveset such as Unmatched Power of the Sun, in which player is also unaffected by the burning properties of. A supporting statement would be the fusion, which is a fusion of the space and lava element). To possibly 100,000 Kelvin to maybe billions of kelvin (If that's somehow still not enough, player can literally supernova himself in a white explosion or punch someone with a "white star hand" as stated in neutron punch description. White dwarfs don't normally supernova so I'll go with the average white dwarf temp. 100000 kelvin. Player is not dead from that (as you can see with the player flying off towards the right and left respectively.)
Limited Resistance to Ice Manipulation: (Player easily busts out of being frozen solid in a very short period of time although this may depend on the attack potency of said ice attack however he is frozen solid but player is still chillin tho).
Resistance to Acid Manipulation: (Player can just casually go skinny dipping in acid)
Thats about all the resistances I can find at the moment. Mortal kombat ahh charaacter.

 

[Comiphorous]

Well. Here we go here we go here we go.
Resistance to Heat Manipulation: 54,000F or 30000C (Is unaffected by the burning properties of lightning attacks, which can output up to 54,000F or 30000C)

Not only do they not qualify as real lightning, the heat lightning gives off doesn't last long enough to actually burn someone if they are struck. Not a resistance to heat, even if they are struck several times.

likely at least 5500 kelvin (According to google, searching up exploding yellow star temperature is between 4000K-7000K, simple math puts the median at 5500. This resistance comes from the solar element where the player is unaffected by the heating properties of an exploding star [what the hell]. This should be a real creation of a mini star since the description of said spell states "Form a burning sun that fires several condensed beams, followed by its own destruction." This is along with the fact that there are other "sun" related spells in the moveset such as Unmatched Power of the Sun, in which player is also unaffected by the burning properties of. A supporting statement would be the fusion, which is a fusion of the space and lava element). To possibly 100,000 Kelvin (If that's somehow still not enough, player can literally supernova himself in a white explosion or punch someone with a "white star hand" as stated in neutron punch description. White dwarfs don't normally supernova so I'll go with the average white dwarf temp. 100000 kelvin. Player is not dead from that (as you can see with the player flying off towards the right and left respectively.)

Skeptical, especially because that sun isn't anywhere close to being big enough to be a real one. I don't know if theres any rules on this type of thing. Neutral, leaning on disagree for the star related stuff.

Limited Resistance to Ice Manipulation: (Player easily busts out of being frozen solid in a very short period of time although this may depend on the attack potency of said ice attack however he is frozen solid but player is still chillin tho).
Resistance to Acid Manipulation: (Player can just casually go skinny dipping in acid)
Thats about all the resistances I can find at the moment. Mortal kombat ahh charaacter.

These are fine. I think it'd be better to call it an unconventional resistance to ice manipulation, since they are still getting effected by it, they just circumvent being stuck by it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Skeptical, especially because that sun isn't anywhere close to being big enough to be a real one.

They pretty much just create one. I just work off what I have and what the wiki says and what the game says. Devs aren't working on the game anymore so I really only gotta rely on.. well.. the game and what it says or what the player can do and not WoG statements.

Also, running off of the electricity manipulation page, the lightning only is qualified as real electricity if the paralysis turdwad is worked in fiction. However, it does not say anything about the heat. Pretty safe to assume that it's somewhat real lightning, just not the dura neg kind of lightning.

 

[Comiphorous]

They pretty much just create one. I just work off what I have and what the wiki says and what the game says. Devs aren't working on the game anymore so I really only gotta rely on.. well.. the game and what it says or what the player can do and not WoG statements.

which is why i said i was neutral. Maybe mods have better input on what qualifies or not. I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to say yes or no.

Also, running off of the electricity manipulation page, the lightning only is qualified as real electricity if the paralysis turdwad is worked in fiction. However, it does not say anything about the heat. Pretty safe to assume that it's somewhat real lightning, just not the dura neg kind of lightning.

Lightning Feats.

Does the lightning in this game;

-making muscles of affected beings contract: No
-having an (electro)magnetic field: No
-being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning: I have no idea!
-flowing through conducting materials: No
-the character being able to manipulate real electricity or electromagnetism in general: They summon it, but no proof they manipulate real electricity
-generating ozone or causing electrolysis: No
-significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have: These literally cause AOE explosions when they land. No.

It doesn't really meet any requirements besides maybe speed.

 

[Arkansalter2]

being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning: I have no idea!

John EBG was formerly MHS via CTG lightning feat.

significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have: These literally cause AOE explosions when they land. No.

Lightning is known to cause craters and brief explosions upon landing.

Again, it's not the duraneg kind of lightning however that does not mean that it doesn't give off heat as that's basically a given for many forms of lightning. It should be somewhat (?) realish lightning as it and fire can create plasma and according to the EBG wiki:

• Plasma's Fusion likely stems from the fact that sufficiently hot flames can become plasma and electrical discharge from storms can cause plasma-related phenomena.

The element is called storm but you get what I mean.

 

[Gamecooob]

-making muscles of affected beings contract: No

it stuns ig? thats the only input I give since the rest of the stuff you said is not invalid

 

[Comiphorous]

John EBG was formerly MHS via CTG lightning feat.

Formerly. The damning word here.

Lightning is known to cause craters and brief explosions upon landing.

Yeah but not a giant blue electricity explosion. theres a slight difference.

Again, it's not the duraneg kind of lightning however that does not mean that it doesn't give off heat as that's basically a given for many forms of lightning. It should be somewhat (?) realish lightning as it and fire can create plasma and according to the EBG wiki:

• Plasma's Fusion likely stems from the fact that sufficiently hot flames can become plasma and electrical discharge from storms can cause plasma-related phenomena.

The element is called storm but you get what I mean.

The heat still wouldn't last long enough to burn the person if it was real-ish(????) lightning.

For the plasma part, as Reaper said plasma varies in temperature. Not knowledgeable enough to say much.

 

[Arkansalter2]

The heat still wouldn't last long enough to burn the person if it was real-ish(????) lightning.

Ehhh it still gives off heat regardless. Plus, they get blown up about 20 times in rapid succession in their ultimate. Plus, even if the heat only lasts for like a few seconds, this is 54000F being blasted on to you 20 times in like 5 seconds. That level of heat with that amount of time would instavape a normal human yet player is just fine.

 

[Comiphorous]

Ehhh it still gives off heat regardless.

What i mean is that the heat doesn't last long enough to actually do anything. It's the same reason why theres videos of people being able to slap lava or quickly move their hand through fire.

Plus, they get blown up about 20 times in rapid succession in their ultimate. Plus, even if the heat only lasts for like a few seconds, this is 54000F being blasted on to you 20 times in like 5 seconds.

Yes but the heat doesn't last long enough to do anything

The point isn't that the heat isn't there, it is there, it's the fact that it doesn't pass to the object it hits and that the heat disperses too fast to do anything.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Eh. It can still count. If not, it can be a supporting feat I guess.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

By lightning standards, to count as resistance, this person has to be struck in the sky and very close to the lightning strike, because electricity is absorbed by both the ground and the distance in the air.

So I'd recommend a better video than this one.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

John EBG was formerly MHS via CTG lightning feat.

MHS via a meteor feat*, at 41,500 m/s. The value being used for the new, baseline 7-C calc is 11,000 m/s


I'd say some level of heat resistance via taking damage from certain heat-based attacks would be okay.

• Flame Body lets you stand in patches of fire left behind by fire-based attacks without taking any damage from them. You will take damage from the initial attack, but the residual fire that passively damage you won't do anything.
• Solar, which is based around the sun & creating literal miniature stars, throws a miniature sun at the enemy as one of their attacks.
  • Solar is a Fusion Element, meaning you need to unlock two previous spells that thematically relate to it.
    • Spectrum, for instance, is based on rainbows. You need Light and Crystal to unlock it, because a prism can split light into many colors. Its ult is literally a giant prism that shows a bunch of "spectral blasts" moving around in it, as the description puts it.
    • Solar is a fusion element that requires Space and Lava to unlock.
      • Space is themed around outer space, one of its attacks literally grabs asteroids from outer space (implying some form of spatial manip/teleport to move them), your character literally turns into a miniature star to perform one of their attacks, one of their spells is stated to turn your hand into a "white star hand" and punches your enemy with it, and their ult is stated to "explode as a supernova", which might imply that they turn into a supernova or w/e considering they've shown the ability to morph themselves into a star with their Comet Crash spell & turn their hand into a white star via Neutron Punch. You can refer to the descriptions on the wiki page for details.
      • Lava is themed around creating lava. Lava is hot. That's pretty much
      • What you end up with is the theme of "outer space" - the Space element literally having the ability to turn the user's entire body, or part of it, into a star - and the theming of "lava", which is just really really hot. Stars aren't made out of magma, but they're hot. The implication of the stars here being hot is there.
• Lava. I don't really have to say much here. Lava is hot. It requires fire & earth to unlock; fire is hot, earth is rock, hot rock is lava. If you can survive getting lava poured on you for extended periods of time you probably have some level of heat resistance.

By lightning standards, to count as resistance, this person has to be struck in the sky and very close to the lightning strike, because electricity is absorbed by both the ground and the distance in the air.

So I'd recommend a better video than this one.

I thought the Lightning Barrage spell was implied to be Cloud-to-Ground lightning cuz it came from above but I never thought to look up. They literally come out of spell circles, lol. Storm is only really storm in name. Any electricity resistance would probably be "possibly" cuz there isn't really any conductivity, inducement of muscle spasms shown with the attacks. The only implication the attacks are electricity is because all of them are called "lightning" in their spell descriptions.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Flame Body lets you stand in patches of fire left behind by fire-based attacks without taking any damage from them. You will take damage from the initial attack, but the residual fire that passively damage you won't do anything.

That's a given.

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A roblox character getting 100000 kelvin to maybe even billions of kelvin heat resistance. That's a magnitude I'd thought I'd never see.

Any electricity resistance would probably be "possibly" cuz there isn't really any conductivity, inducement of muscle spasms shown with the attacks.

I'm cool with a possibly.

 

[Gamecooob]

yeah im also not vibing with the lightning stuff, cuz' as mentioned, the only thing to back it up being REAL lightning is that its described like that in-game (but uhh, its a spell-based game, so VERY IFFY), and that most of the Storm moves stun people.

the heat stuff though is very clear-cut, agree with that.

 

[Comiphorous]

MHS via a meteor feat*, at 41,500 m/s. The value being used for the new, baseline 7-C calc is 11,000 m/s


I'd say some level of heat resistance via taking damage from certain heat-based attacks would be okay.

• Flame Body lets you stand in patches of fire left behind by fire-based attacks without taking any damage from them. You will take damage from the initial attack, but the residual fire that passively damage you won't do anything.
• Solar, which is based around the sun & creating literal miniature stars, throws a miniature sun at the enemy as one of their attacks.
  • Solar is a Fusion Element, meaning you need to unlock two previous spells that thematically relate to it.
    • Spectrum, for instance, is based on rainbows. You need Light and Crystal to unlock it, because a prism can split light into many colors. Its ult is literally a giant prism that shows a bunch of "spectral blasts" moving around in it, as the description puts it.
    • Solar is a fusion element that requires Space and Lava to unlock.
      • Space is themed around outer space, one of its attacks literally grabs asteroids from outer space (implying some form of spatial manip/teleport to move them), your character literally turns into a miniature star to perform one of their attacks, one of their spells is stated to turn your hand into a "white star hand" and punches your enemy with it, and their ult is stated to "explode as a supernova", which might imply that they turn into a supernova or w/e considering they've shown the ability to morph themselves into a star with their Comet Crash spell & turn their hand into a white star via Neutron Punch. You can refer to the descriptions on the wiki page for details.
      • Lava is themed around creating lava. Lava is hot. That's pretty much
      • What you end up with is the theme of "outer space" - the Space element literally having the ability to turn the user's entire body, or part of it, into a star - and the theming of "lava", which is just really really hot. Stars aren't made out of magma, but they're hot. The implication of the stars here being hot is there.
• Lava. I don't really have to say much here. Lava is hot. It requires fire & earth to unlock; fire is hot, earth is rock, hot rock is lava. If you can survive getting lava poured on you for extended periods of time you probably have some level of heat resistance.

Flame Body and Lava stuff seems fine, i'm still very against using the Solar and Space feats and scaling their miniature, likely not-real versions to the full scale real versions. it simply doesn't make sense to do that.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

erm actually guys, John EBG should have resistance to everything because when his attacks are used on himself they don’t affect them even though it’s a AoE attack that he can’t escape!!!!

 

[AthelChan]

erm actually guys, John EBG should have resistance to everything because when his attacks are used on himself they don’t affect them even though it’s a AoE attack that he can’t escape!!!!

LOL

 

[AThe1412]

Instead of using the temperature of lightning, why not use the temperature of plasma? Plasma is also one of the only elements that inflict burn damage unlike Storm which is why Flame Body works against it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Instead of using the temperature of lightning, why not use the temperature of plasma? Plasma is also one of the only elements that inflict burn damage unlike Storm which is why Flame Body works against it.

Plasma has varying temperatures. Some sources say 10000 Kelvin while others say 30000 kelvin

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Resistance to Heat Manipulation

Comiphorous is correct, we don't give this for being struck by lightning. I don't know how mechanically we take the sun into account but I would at least sign off on likely normal star explosion temperature.

Limited Resistance to Ice Manipulation: (Player easily busts out of being frozen solid in a very short period of time although this may depend on the attack potency of said ice attack however he is frozen solid but player is still chillin tho).
Resistance to Acid Manipulation: (Player can just casually go skinny dipping in acid)

The acid seems to still do damage, though. They don't really resist it, that's just the mechanics of the attack. Disagree with that one. I'll agree to a limited resistance to ice manip in that the character can still break out, depending on the potency of the ice itself, sure.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't know how mechanically we take the sun into account but I would at least sign off on likely normal star explosion temperature.

We talking Supernova or?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

We talking Supernova or?

No, I don't think that what is shown supports that strongly. I support the 5500 Kelvin end, at least, though.

 

[Arkansalter2]

No, I don't think that what is shown supports that strongly. I support the 5500 Kelvin end, at least, though.

Makes sense. This is another minor revision so I'll get these added.

 

[Arkansalter2]

No, I don't think that what is shown supports that strongly. I support the 5500 Kelvin end, at least, though.

Hey wait a minute some stuff changed. The star shown in the exploding star feat is well.. exploding. We can't really use the surface temperature as the resistance. Can I put 200 billion kelvin or at least 5500 kelvin?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hey wait a minute some stuff changed. The star shown in the exploding star feat is well.. exploding. We can't really use the surface temperature as the resistance. Can I put 200 billion kelvin or at least 5500 kelvin?

I want you to now show me the environmental destruction such temperatures would cause lol

 

[Arkansalter2]

I want you to now show me the environmental destruction such temperatures would cause lol

Apparently the damn map is f***ing immortal then. My man literally gets an exploding sun thown at him. Wouldn't make sense to use the sun surface temp end.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also I don't think John EBG would give a flying damn about what's being destroyed or not. My man literally just kills stuff with no human regard.

 

[Comiphorous]

Also I don't think John EBG would give a flying damn about what's being destroyed or not. My man literally just kills stuff with no human regard.

… and the fact that said apparent heat doesn’t do anything environmentally wise probably means it’s not actually that hot?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Apparently the damn map is f***ing immortal then. My man literally gets an exploding sun thown at him. Wouldn't make sense to use the sun surface temp end.

So no proof of proper heat, not even melting things.

Gotcha!

You should PROBABLY calc what a sun that small would be in temperature and whatnot and use that.

 

[Arkansalter2]

You should PROBABLY calc what a sun that small would be in temperature and whatnot and use that.

I would calc a lot of things in EBG already.
The problem is that I'm not that much of a nerd yet. I would have already calced this but it would be innaccurate as the camera is not where it needs to be nor is this video covering the whole explosion.

Anyways I got the 5500 applied as at least. This can get closed now.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Comiphorous is correct, we don't give this for being struck by lightning.

Pretty sure this keeps popping up because some popular verses have this as accepted heat. Most notable and obvious example (which made me believe it was an accepted thing) was One Piece which does have it as accepted heat. The link on 28000 goes directly to a CRT that accepted heat scaling which people are possibly using as reference.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Anyways I got the 5500 applied as at least. This can get closed now.

Dude, it was just one vote.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Dude, it was just one vote.

This is a minor CRT so they only require 1 vote.

 

[Comiphorous]

This is a minor CRT so they only require 1 vote.

I feel like once you brought up new stuff you should've had a mod look at the new stuff you brought up first before immediately going to applying everything. But thats just me.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I feel like once you brought up new stuff you should've had a mod look at the new stuff you brought up first before immediately going to applying everything. But thats just me.

Also, grace period lol

 

[Arkansalter2]

I feel like once you brought up new stuff you should've had a mod look at the new stuff you brought up first before immediately going to applying everything. But thats just me.

He said that the 5500 Kelvin end is cool. I just put at least there because player should upscale from that.

Pretty sure this keeps popping up because some popular verses have this as accepted heat. Most notable and obvious example (which made me believe it was an accepted thing) was One Piece which does have it as accepted heat. The link on 28000 goes directly to a CRT that accepted heat scaling which people are possibly using as reference.

Likely because John EBG's lightning is "not real lightning."

 

[Comiphorous]

Also, grace period lol

Grace period is stupid. I get why it's there but idc it ever so slightly slows me down.

He said that the 5500 Kelvin end is cool. I just put at least there because player should upscale from that.

Yeah but a mod never looked at said supporting evidence. It probably doesn't matter all that much in the long run but i'm just throwing it out there.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah but a mod never looked at said supporting evidence.

I can always change things to be fair. I don't have an issue with it if a mod says something about it.

 

[Comiphorous]

I can always change things to be fair. I don't have an issue with it if a mod says something about it.

Yeah it's rlly up to the mod. idrc it doesn't change all that much, probably at worst they slap you on the wrist lol. I'M JUST BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!!! I'M TRYING TO GET YOU BANNED!!!!!!

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ban everyone.

(I suppose I'll sign off on this passing with only one vote, though you should probably ask whether a given thread is to be considered minor or not, since that divide more or less falls to the evaluating staff, moi, to decide)

Pretty sure this keeps popping up because some popular verses have this as accepted heat. Most notable and obvious example (which made me believe it was an accepted thing) was One Piece which does have it as accepted heat. The link on 28000 goes directly to a CRT that accepted heat scaling which people are possibly using as reference.

That tracks. It shouldn't be accepted, but that's just the nature of the beast, there's bound to be inconsistencies in any human-run institution. Due to how lightning works, tanking it isn't really a heat resistance feat. That's all I have to say on it, really.