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Deactivating Anti-Hypertime annihilation mechanism limiter... | Sonic Cosmology Downgrade Part ?: Hypertimelines

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I am almost certain the blog already did. If it isn't too much of a bother, do you still agree with the OP? Or have the recent arguments involving Time Eater affecting Crisis City change your mind about it?
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Yes, Time Eater is shown pulling stages across time and space and causing temporal distortions. But the mere presence of Crisis City doesn’t ******* prove it was Time Eater who pulled it, that's a false cause fallacy. That’s an assumption that falls apart when you apply later material.
The cutscene of Tails pointing at the other stages (He never specified Crisis city btw) isn't a good evidence when the stages were already there when he was pulled.
Think of it like this, you saw your dad bring fruit to the table. Later, when you go to the kitchen, you see fruit already there, some your dad brought, but also some your mom added without you knowing, you just assume your dad brought all of them because that’s all you witnessed, you’re not wrong about your dad bringing fruit, you just missed the fact that someone else also added to the table.
Same thing here. He saw Time Eater pulling zones and yes, that did happen. But that doesn’t mean something irrelevent to Eggman's plan was his doing. Tails assumed it, because they were already there when the game started but assumption =/= confirmation.
Now here’s where Shadow Generations comes in, which, importantly, is the more recent game and thus takes priority. The devs have been actively restructuring Sonic lore, fixing inconsistencies, decanonizing certain games, and giving additional context to old material. So naturally, we look to Shadow Generations for the latest interpretation.(Some Verses scaling in this wiki has been changed via similar reasons due to recent stuff and retcons being more important)

Gerald explicitly says:
"The damage done to the time stream may be stirring up echoes of past alterations."

Peeps here jump on that last line as "See? It's just le speculation!", but that's appeal to stone. Just because something is labeled a hypothesis doesn’t mean it’s wrong, especially when there’s no contradictory evidence. Gerald has been the main wise owl lore expositor in the game and the line wasn’t written to be questioned by the player. It’s actually giving us narrative context, 06 stuff are echoes of past alterations, not zones dragged back via time travel.Gelard states he’s basing this explanation on studies (likely in-universe time studies or science books) so this isn’t some random guess. It’s logical inference based on data, the same process many realworld theories are built upon.
Eggman also doesn’t even know something called Crisis city or a ruined future in Sonic 06, nor we should assume he treat it as relevant in gens. He’s rewriting his past defeats, not future events from an old timeline he doesn't even know they exist. So narratively, it doesn’t make sense for him to choose to pull crisis city. That zone appearing is simply due to the damage Time Eater caused to the timeline itself (How an erased future is relevent to a scheme about REWRITING THE PAST is relevent is non-sensical and makes unnnecessary loopholes).
Also worth noting the the “turning white” thingy when stages get teared by Time Eater isn’t specific proof . It’s linked to dimensional energy/spacetime loss, not a measure of "what he personally dragged". Crisis city was erased from time since 06, so obviously it's going to be white.
Plus we shouldn't ignore we have TWO statements of a unique time dimension.
 
Completely ignoring all the statements saying that reality has been destroyed
The Movie one isn't even an anti-feat. JP dialogue infers Black Doom interfered and is the reason why the Movieverse was untouched. This was even in the same CRT that made the Movies canon to the Gameverse.

(I wasn't going to respond again but you brought the post up so I wanted to clarify that.)
 
Completely ignoring all the statements saying that reality has been destroyed
I don't care if it's not from the game or not consistent with the narrative of the game.
Plus all reality can be a singular universe like it can be multiple like it can be the whole cosmology, context is key.
 
Good thing Eggman literally says he got the Time Eater for his ability to travel through time to undo his defeats, with Crisis City literally showing up as one of the examples.
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Crisis city isn't from his history of defeats it's literally from an erased future, a future he doesn't even know its existence in the same game Crisis City appeared.
 
Crisis city isn't his history of defeats it's literally from an erased future, a future he doesn't even know its existence in the same game crisis city appeared.
There's no proof Eggman doesn't remember it. I literally showed footage of Crisis City being used as an example. Are we at the point we are denying direct footage of the game because it goes against assumptions you made up?
 
There's no proof Eggman doesn't remember it. I literally showed footage of Crisis City being used as an example. Are we at the point we are denying direct footage of the game because it goes against assumptions you made up?
I don't have to prove a negative, your argument requires this assumption, prove it.
Also please continue reading what I said.
 
Okay, here's Eggman using Crisis City as an example of his past defeats:
Meta flash-backs aren't evidence
Like how can you say this is a past defeat when this is from an old timeline and a location from the FUTURE he wasn't even aware of during Sonic 06.
You're creating loopholes for the sake of scaling.
 
Good thing Eggman literally says he got the Time Eater for his ability to travel through time to undo his defeats, with Crisis City literally showing up as one of the examples.
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According to what Gerald said, it's an echo stirred up by the damage to the timestream. Crisis City being brought into White Space was an unintended byproduct of Eggman's tampering with time, not something that he deliberately pulled out from elsewhere in some sort of hypertimeline. Gerald's words hold much more weight than your hypertimeline headcanon, which, might I remind you, directly contradicts the confirmed fact that there is only one dimension of time in the Sonic verse.
But there is something pretty important that is more explicit: It is stated both here and here that there is just one singular dimension of time.
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Meta flash-backs aren't evidence
Are we seriously at the point we are ignoring in-game footage because it goes against your assumptions? Okay, here's Eggman consciously summoning a portal to Crisis City to trap Blaze:
I am almost certain the blog already did. If it isn't too much of a bother, do you still agree with the OP? Or have the recent arguments involving Time Eater affecting Crisis City change your mind about it?
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Are we seriously at the point we are ignoring in-game footage because it goes against your assumptions? Okay, here's Eggman consciously summoning a portal to Crisis City to trap Blaze:
And you accuse us of moving the goalposts? You're supposed to prove that Time Eater used time travel powers to go back in time to a previous snapshot of Crisis City while it remained nonexistent, not him just opening a portal to it after it's already existed as an echo.
 
Are we seriously at the point we are ignoring in-game footage because it goes against your assumptions? Okay, here's Eggman consciously summoning a portal to Crisis City to trap Blaze:
Yeah, because it's a location now in white space, idk but Me BFR'ing other people to a dimension doesn't mean I created it.
Gelard pointed out the reason behind it, recent stuff>>>>>>>>a cutscene from a 14 years old game.
 
This maybe late to ask, but why does crisis city make this a hypertimeline in layman terms if it was deleted but appears back in generations. Isn’t the white space specifically where deleted stuff goes, ie why isn’t that just where the deleted timeline with Solaris not naturally end up (and thus be accessible to the time eater who lives there)?
 
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This maybe late to ask, but why does crisis city make this a hypertimeline in layman terms if it was deleted but appears back in generations. Isn’t the white space specifically where deleted stuff goes, ie why isn’t that just where the deleted timeline with Solaris not naturally end up?
The point is that Time Eater can travel through time to restore an erased timeline, and thus, that requires a higher dimension of time to travel to. There's no proof that Crisis City ended up in White Space because of it being erased, even OP conceded that's because of the Time Eater.
 
Then make your own CRT and don't clutter this damn thread any further. This goes to all of you BTW. Your individual problems are your own, keep it as such.

Calm down. My problems are related to the CRT. That's what I've discussed till right now. A discussion is not necessarily focused on one point since my contentions are strictly related to the opposing side's responses to Telomera args.

Btw you are nobody to tell me what should I do inside threads.
 
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which, might I remind you, directly contradicts the confirmed fact that there is only one dimension of time in the Sonic verse.
I feel like that's taking Tails' statement a bit of context due to the wording choice. To me what he's trying to say is that time is one aspect of reality that co-exists along with the endless possibilities of space. Dimension has more than one meaning.
 
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I feel like that's taking Tails' statement a bit of context due to the wording choice. To me what he's trying to say is that Time is one aspect of reality that co-exists along with the endless possibilities of space. Dimension has more than one meaning.
If we're going to use this logic, we're going to spend another 10 pages whatever what statements has more meanings or not, and the opposite side seem to take statements literally and directly, Idk why this one is an exception.
Also one dimension of time is referring to how the universe is 1+3D.
 
The point is that Time Eater can travel through time to restore an erased timeline, and thus, that requires a higher dimension of time to travel to. There's no proof that Crisis City ended up in White Space because of it being erased, even OP conceded that's because of the Time Eater.
But what says he time traveled to do that versus just being able to restore it. Assuming it was even restored versus he literally sends you to the nonexistent white space so couldn’t that time line still just not exist. Especially someone there says they want to exist. Also still don’t see why it won’t be there naturally still. If white space is where nonexistent things go, why would the erased timeline not be there?
 
But what says he time traveled to do that versus just being able to restore it. Assuming it was even restored versus he literally sends you to the nonexistent white space so couldn’t that time line still just not exist. Especially someone there says they want to exist. Also still don’t see why it won’t be there naturally still. If white space is where nonexistent things go, why would the erased timeline not be there?
Because it’s not just erased, it’s specifically lacking dimensional energy due to its white coloration, which is the hallmark of Time Eater specifically. Time Eater’s MO is traveling through time and erasing the space and time there, meaning he traveled through time and his erasure allowed him to hit crisis city, specifically during the Iblis crisis (which is notable because it means he didn’t just pick up crisis city from a random part in the multiverse and it was specifically the ‘06 timeline variant), meaning he can travel back to before timelines were erased.
 
Because his name is Time EATER, not the Time RESTORER. We have to make up abilities for him for you to be right. The Sonics are the ones restoring the time.
But crisis city being there in your argument required it to be restored (in one way or another). Nothing says he did it through time travel either. It could still just not actually exist in a way, since Sonic can travel in nonexistence.
 
Because it’s not just erased, it’s specifically lacking dimensional energy due to its white coloration, which is the hallmark of Time Eater specifically. Time Eater’s MO is traveling through time and erasing the space and time there
It's not a hallmark of Time eater specifically, devoid of time is what causes that, that's literally what 06 events are post 06.
 
But crisis city being there in your argument required it to be restored.
Because Crisis City being colorless is a direct consequence of the Time Eater's time-travelling abilities:

Classic Tails: That thing keeps jumping back and forth through time, consuming the dimensional energy. And all that's left behind is this lifeless, white void.
 
I feel like that's taking Tails' statement a bit of context due to the wording choice.
Because it is.

The context is that Tails is refuting Amy's idea that time screwery is the only way in which an alternate Sonic can appear, which the entire conversation is based upon (and an idea which he debunks, then explaining the multiverse thereafter).
 
Why would the “consuming dimensional energies” not be the important part of that statement, because that’s how he actually destroys things
 
If white space is where nonexistence things end up. I think it makes far more sense to say he got it from there and ate it, rather than assuming another spatial dimension exist for some reason and he hoped to a nonexistence forgotten timeline to eat it, despite it also having nothing to eat because it already doesn’t exist.
 
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