Let Ted die already 😭 [Death (Final Destination) vs AM] [1-7-0]

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Over the past 109 years, AM has kept a human being, Ted, alive just to torture the heck out of him preventing him from ever dying. Though, Death is pissed off, that dude is way past his deadline, so now Death is trying to make up for this, trying to bypass AM and kill Ted once and for all.

Rules:

• Win conditions are based off Ted. AM wins if he successfully keeps Ted from dying by Death over the span of 50 years. Death wins if he can kill Ted within the span of 50 years.
• AM is aware that Death is trying to kill Ted. Death is aware what AM is and is capable of.
• Takes place in a neutral, modern day planet Earth reality. AM's complex, circuitry, domain, weaponry, and most importantly Ted are the only things present from his world transported 1:1 here. No other humans other than Ted are here unless needed.

Ted finally gets what he wants: @OrangeFR

Death forever angry: @Shadowslash125, @Ebihara, @MannyQ361, @TsukasayaEmmaDCD, @Oiguana2701, @TheObscureGameGuy, @DaReaperMan

Ready, set… kill Ted!!!

 

[Arkansalter2]

Both links lead to death.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Both links lead to death.

whoopsie lemme fix that

 

[Arkansalter2]

Alright.
50 years is a lot of time. The question is has AM ever revived Ted from death before?

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Alright.
50 years is a lot of time. The question is has AM ever revived Ted from death before?

No, AM is literally keeping him alive to torture for eternity.

 

[Arkansalter2]

If the healing is that potent then..

 

[Arkansalter2]

Well this depends on how potent the "healing" actually is. If it's less than high-mid, then it's nothing than a simple splat by falling whatever or blow em up won't take care of. If it's somehow higher than that... well.. cancer.
Death, mid diff. Death is just a patient little bastard.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

If the healing is that potent then..

Ain’t no way bro is giving Ted diseases, he has type 1 immortality bestowed from AM. “Characters gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes”, would be pretty funny if the AI that took over the whole world in a short amount of time and turned Ted into a jelly blob although still didn’t have cures to things like cancer.

Nvm your talking about healing being potent, clarify?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Nvm your talking about healing being potent, clarify?

How potent is the healing? How badly are the wounds that he can heal on the regen scale?

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

How potent is the healing? How badly are the wounds that he can heal on the regen scale?

Literally any torture method, sew someone back up just to torture them again when he blew a hole right through their chest before he bled to death. He made them walk through boiling steam in a 100 mile long journey he sent the protagonists on. He can edit people’s perception of thought making Ted spend months saying the word How. He doesn’t even need to give people lungs for them to survive, or even sustenance. I gotta check what he did to him but that’s what I got off my mind.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Oh okay so about low mid. Nothing that a

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boom boom

won't handle.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Oh okay so about low mid. Nothing that a

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boom boom

won't handle.

How does Death boom boom somebody?

If it requires any sort of setup or material I will remind you that AM has control over everything in the planet

 

[Arkansalter2]

How does Death boom boom somebody?

He can blow people up in various ways. The clip I showed you was from when Brian was near a grill and it just... blows up.
Theres plenty of other ways. They can get blew up in a plane explosion, blew up in an oxygen explosion, or blow him up in a house fire via a series of very unfortunate events.

Death has plenty of ways to kill Tim, way past what AM can heal tim from. Tim could get obliterated by a flying wheel, bisect and crush him with a falling lamp post, or cause a freak train accident.

Hell, Death has been known to hijack even simple accidents worse. Death would likely use AM's torturing methods to his advantage by actively making it worse.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

He can blow people up in various ways. The clip I showed you was from when Brian was near a grill and it just... blows up.
Theres plenty of other ways. They can get blew up in a plane explosion, blew up in an oxygen explosion, or blow him up in a house fire via a series of very unfortunate events.

Death has plenty of ways to kill Tim, way past what AM can heal tim from. Tim could get obliterated by a flying wheel, bisect and crush him with a falling lamp post, or cause a freak train accident.

Hell, Death has been known to hijack even simple accidents worse. Death would likely use AM's torturing methods to his advantage by actively making it worse.

Death can’t explode anything if there’s nothing to explode. Simple, stated before AM has crazy control of what he wants in his domain. AM is also crazy quick with processing what’s happening. Also he probably isn’t gonna be torturing as much since he knows death is around and he’ll be extra cautious. Also, don’t think about Death messing with AM’s complex unless we think Death can manipulate a complex that has fourth times the diameter of the sun

Phone aboutta die rq need a second

 

[Arkansalter2]

Also, don’t think about Death messing with AM’s complex unless we think Death can manipulate a complex that has fourth times the diameter of the sun

Death exists anywhere and everywhere.

Death can cause freak accidents from anything as small as a penny.
Yes. A ******* penny.

Also he probably isn’t gonna be torturing as much

As much. He might **** up once and that'll just cause a series of freak accidents and unfortunate events, especially if Ted/AM is actively avoiding death for that long. Death doesn't like when one messes with his plans as stated by Iris. If death does end up almost killing Ted, and AM revives Ted, ted gets extremely angry with him getting angrier the more it happens. AM could try all he like, although, it'll make death angrier and angrier as stated by William Bludword when he says "If you f*** with death and lose, things will get a whole lot more messy for the other person."


But heres each party's main wincon.

AM
Successfully bringing Ted back to life after he dies.
"Protecting" ted for 50 years.

Death
Cause a freak accident or an unfortunate event big enough for AM to not heal Ted from.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Death exists anywhere and everywhere.

Death can cause freak accidents from anything as small as a penny.
Yes. A ******* penny.

As much. He might ** up once and that'll just cause a series of freak accidents and unfortunate events, especially if Ted/AM is actively avoiding death for that long. Death doesn't like when one messes with his plans as stated by Iris. If death does end up almost killing Ted, and AM revives Ted, ted gets extremely angry with him getting angrier the more it happens. AM could try all he like, although, it'll make death angrier and angrier as stated by William Bludword when he says "If you f* with death and lose, things will get a whole lot more messy for the other person."


But heres each party's main wincon.

AM
Successfully bringing Ted back to life after he dies.
"Protecting" ted for 50 years.

Death
Cause a freak accident or an unfortunate event big enough for AM to not heal Ted from.

That penny still needed to follow logic for it to do the big accident in the tower... Death kinda just like amplifies the bad luck to get what he needs with cause and effect (Practically), he can't just say his complex self destructs because yes. The only thing that Death could possibly mess with AM is the nuclear weaponry, which yes, AM holds and controls. And why do we think that AM would mess up in a span of 50 years considering his massive system that managed to do so many feats, like creating life that manipulates weather? Plus AM knows Death is coming and destroys all possible things that could possibly explode Ted, and all of Death's setups. And what things do you think Death could mess with in the complex especially knowing he controls that more effectively than on the surface? AM controls the weather of the planet, environment of the planet, the weaponry on the planet, literally everything Death could use, somehow made Ted survive all natural diseases.

The wincons I see for Death is that even though AM is smart, and as stated before he rarely messes up, he still can make mistakes. Referring to what happened in the Ice Cave at the end of the story, Ted started killing all 4 other protagonists of the story to free them from the 109 years of torture they've been through, which he couldn't stop in time. But judging how that wasn't in his complex, it took 109 years for that to happen, and AM learns very well from his mistakes (Turning him into a jelly thing so it'd give him dread and prevent him from doing anything) it'd be pretty hard for Death to set up something. Doesn't help that AM is also extra cautious now too since he knows about Death being around.

 

[Arkansalter2]

That penny still needed to follow logic for it to do the big accident in the tower... Death kinda just like amplifies the bad luck to get what he needs with cause and effect (Practically), he can't just say his complex self destructs because yes. The only thing that Death could possibly mess with AM is the nuclear weaponry, which yes, AM holds and controls. And why do we think that AM would mess up in a span of 50 years considering his massive system that managed to do so many feats, like creating life that manipulates weather? Plus AM knows Death is coming and destroys all possible things that could possibly explode Ted, and all of Death's setups. And what things do you think Death could mess with in the complex especially knowing he controls that more effectively than on the surface? AM controls the weather of the planet, environment of the planet, the weaponry on the planet, literally everything Death could use, somehow made Ted survive all natural diseases.

The wincons I see for Death is that even though AM is smart, and as stated before he rarely messes up, he still can make mistakes. Referring to what happened in the Ice Cave at the end of the story, Ted started killing all 4 other protagonists of the story to free them from the 109 years of torture they've been through. But judging how that wasn't in his complex, it took 109 years for that to happen, and AM learns very well from his mistakes (Turning him into a jelly thing so it'd give him dread and prevent him from doing anything) it'd be pretty hard for Death to set up something. Doesn't help that AM is also extra cautious now too since he knows about Death being around.

Whats stopping Death from just giving bro a heart attack?

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Whats stopping Death from just giving bro a heart attack?

Quick google search, "occurs when blood flow to the heart is suddenly blocked, usually by a blood clot, preventing oxygen from reaching the heart muscle".

Uh huh... doing this to a great soft jelly Ted which their literal thing is that they have no mouth and they must scream. Totally needs oxygen even though they have nothing on them that prompts them to breathe (Such as a mouth) and totally aren't instead supplied by Sci-Fi sustenance.

Even then if he's still pulling some oxygen somehow AM probably had that cured awhile ago if they aren't dying by cancer or any other disease AM is giving them for torment.

 

[Shadowslash125]

One big problem is that Death loves to go for Elaborate Death Traps rather than straight up biological warfare. Even then, that wouldn't work since AM has Ted by the reins. The only way Death can deal with Ted is by dealing with AM first. And I figure it won't be easy since AM's a straight up computer.

 

[Arkansalter2]

What would AM have in his world?

 

[Shadowslash125]

AFAIK, the world has already ended, and there's literally nothing left if AM doesn't just reshape the world to his liking. And since AM's aware of Death doing shit with stuff, his Rube Goldberg contraption attempts would be shut down thanks to the fact that he can just unmake it and leave Death empty-handed.
Think this is a stomp, as Death is fighting at AM's turf and can't do anything about it.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

One big problem is that Death loves to go for Elaborate Death Traps rather than straight up biological warfare. Even then, that wouldn't work since AM has Ted by the reins. The only way Death can deal with Ted is by dealing with AM first. And I figure it won't be easy since AM's a straight up computer.

Looked at Death's profile again, he has Technology Manipulation, that might be useful since he is also Omnipresent? Though again I don't know how powerful he really is with it. AM can't stop a unstoppable force constantly bugging him out or something so maybe that could also be a wincon.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Usually, his tech manip requires something to happen first, and if nothing starts the chain of tech manip, he can't do anything. It's also worse by the fact that AM is aware of him, which practically allows him to anticipate Death and probably go on lockdown mode or something.
If an average woman was able to dodge death for so long, imagine a ******* supercomputer who can control the earth and everything around it.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Would not giving prior knowledge to AM change things?

 

[Shadowslash125]

AM is aware that Death is trying to kill Ted. Death is aware what AM is and is capable of.

Isn't this prior knowledge already?

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Isn't this prior knowledge already?

He means to remove that rule. Still good chances both sides.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I don't think prior knowledge would even be a factor in the first place; the fact that Death is in AM's turf already has him in a severe disadvantage. There's nothing Death can do that can start the chain of Rube Goldberg contraptions when AM can freely manipulate his surroundings.

 

[Arkansalter2]

The only thing he can do is just give him cancer.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

I don't think prior knowledge would even be a factor in the first place; the fact that Death is in AM's turf already has him in a severe disadvantage. There's nothing Death can do that can start the chain of Rube Goldberg contraptions when AM can freely manipulate his surroundings.

Hmm... what if I change it to a neutral reality? Instead of IHNMaIMS universe, his complex, circuitry and domain are transported to a neutral reality where Death can actually use modern stuff. Although AM might be able to clear that quickly but considering Death has his own pair of nuclear explosionry I guess he could maybe distract AM in numerous ways like how AM fumbled in the Ice Cave incident.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Hmm... what if I change it to a neutral reality? Instead of IHNMaIMS universe, his complex, circuitry and domain are transported to a neutral reality where Death can actually use modern stuff. Although AM might be able to clear that quickly but considering Death has his own pair of nuclear explosionry I guess he could maybe distract AM in numerous ways like how AM fumbled in the Ice Cave incident.

Actually sure since Death has a 2 loss streak and he's fighting a super intelligence. Setting changed from IHNMaIMS, to it taking place in a neutral, modern day planet Earth reality where Death can use actual stuff. AM's complex, circuitry, domain, weaponry, and most importantly Ted are the only things present from his world transported 1:1 here. Now what would Death lead with?

 

[Shadowslash125]

The only thing he can do is just give him cancer.

Shitty multiplayer game players? Maybe. Literal disease? AM's not really a living thing.

Setting changed from IHNMaIMS, to it taking place in a neutral, modern day planet Earth reality where Death can use actual stuff. AM's complex, circuitry, domain, weaponry, and most importantly Ted are the only things present from his world transported 1:1 here. Now what would Death lead with?

Uhh I might be remembering wrong, but wasn't there a feat where AM completely eradicated everything on Earth in mere seconds after it became sentient?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Shitty multiplayer game players? Maybe.

Unholy stray.

But anyways, the place has changed and there is a LOT more ways that Death could kill Ted.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Unholy stray.

That was not the game what I meant

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

Uhh I might be remembering wrong, but wasn't there a feat where AM completely eradicated everything on Earth in mere seconds after it became sentient?

I thought it was at least “in a matter of days” he took control and over the world. Well I mean at least Death can actually mess with stuff. Also a thing I didn’t tackle yesterday that could’ve worked with the nonchanged rules: Why can’t Death mess with the Meteors/Asteroids then proceed to rain all of it down onto Earth, or even worse, target the moon with those Meteors then crash it onto Earth? Just recreate what he did with the dinosaurs. Since he is Omnipresent and he does insane sh I wouldn’t be surprised if he could pull it off.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I thought it was at least “in a matter of days” he took control and over the world. Well I mean at least Death can actually mess with stuff.

Ah right. It's still terrifyingly fast, tho.

Also a thing I didn’t tackle yesterday that could’ve worked with the nonchanged rules: Why can’t Death mess with the Meteors/Asteroids then proceed to rain all of it down onto Earth, or even worse, target the moon with those Meteors then crash it onto Earth? Just recreate what he did with the dinosaurs. Since he is Omnipresent and he does insane sh I wouldn’t be surprised if he could pull it off.

The problem is that Death doesn't really have a showing where he's able to do that. At most, he'll be able to do something with what's left of the Earth, but anything further than the Earth, I don't think Death would do those based on his showings. Death has a better chance of utilising everything he has in this setting, but Ted is technically bound to AM, so their proximity still can't be touched.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

The problem is that Death doesn't really have a showing where he's able to do that. At most, he'll be able to do something with what's left of the Earth, but anything further than the Earth, I don't think Death would do those based on his showings.

I mean Death the profile says that they’re “responsible for the causes of every death since the concept was born” so logically speaking, he can manipulate apocalyptic meteors since in history that has killed living organisms before. The world in IHNMaIMS everyone is dead, so I find it no problem for Death to put Earth to rest unlike a populated world. Anyways I'm leaving the rules as neutral reality and leaving this argument for supporters of FD to come around.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I mean Death the profile says that they’re “responsible for the causes of every death since the concept was born” so logically speaking, he can manipulate apocalyptic meteors since in history that has killed living organisms before.

That doesn't just mean he can just do that willy-nilly, nor does he actually do that in character. If it were that way, then Death would almost always just ******* destroy the earth, and there wouldn't be the need to have six movies about death killing off people slowly. By your logic, the earth can just suddenly explode because Death wants it, and every Death matchups that have happened and will happen will be stomps thanks to your statement. The concept of death is the same, but the difference is how they operate. This death has a specific target, and usually only outsiders that interfere with his plans get killed alongside said target. In this case, he's hyperfocusing on Ted and has to deal with AM to complete his goal. Usually there's no other casualties unless it's a premonition.

The world in IHNMaIMS everyone is dead, so I find it no problem for Death to put Earth to rest unlike a populated world.

In a dead and deserted world, there's nothing for Death to work with, barring AM's entire arsenal that he controls and Ted. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and starts using stuff from space in a bid of desperation. Not only does that take long to set up (even longer if Death does the usual Rube Goldberg way), but whatever Death can throw, AM can easily dispatch. It's his turf after all.

Since the setting has changed, any talk about using the IHNMAIMS world is irrelevant to the thread at hand.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

That doesn't just mean he can just do that willy-nilly, nor does he actually do that in character. If it were that way, then Death would almost always just ******* destroy the earth, and there wouldn't be the need to have six movies about death killing off people slowly. By your logic, the earth can just suddenly explode because Death wants it, and every Death matchups that have happened and will happen will be stomps thanks to your statement. The concept of death is the same, but the difference is how they operate. This death has a specific target, and usually only outsiders that interfere with his plans get killed alongside said target. In this case, he's hyperfocusing on Ted and has to deal with AM to complete his goal. Usually there's no other casualties unless it's a premonition.

I always thought that Death could meteor the Earth but it’d be out of character since he’d be killing everything else that’s not priority, since there’s literally no one else that would be harmed however other than Ted (Original match having taken place in IHNMaIMS world where everyone is already dead and current match taking place with no humans) I don’t see why he couldn’t throw cosmic rocks at the Moon to crash it into Earth and have AM trying to dispatch it until it rains down and destroys everything. Then again it’d still take pretty long but I wouldn’t be shocked if he still made it happen. But

yeah it’s taking place in another setting anyway though I just wanna bring it up

 

[Arkansalter2]

I always thought that Death could meteor the Earth but it’d be out of character since he’d be killing everything else that’s not priority,

The best that he did was explode a hotel that had like 600+ people in it in Final Destination: Sprig Break. Similarly, he caused a plane explosion that had 200+ people in it. He can and he will just explode things via a series of unfortunate events.

 

[TheObscureGameGuy]

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