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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Class A vs B just lacked any tension. Not only it was a practice match with nothing at stake not even a medal. The difference between A vs B is like Justice Leauge vs Guradians of Globe.

More importantly. It wasn't fun. Besides Iida and Mudman abosutely carrying their team nothing felt all that intresting. Monoma would have been a excellent match for Deku if came prepared with the best quirk of his classmates. Which is something I will never understand, why the hell would you want to steal the enemies quirk which is not only risky but also a very new tool rather than just using all the OP quirks of your classmates. Can you imagine a Big Fist + Steel x Twin Impact combo that would go hard.

The license exam was also meh. Deku doesn't get a fight, he gets a boner. Pretty much everyone else feels like bum. Like a army of Miwa's. Shindo and Inasa are the only standouts. Bakugo bits were fun but he was barely in the arc. Plus this being the first major arc post Kamino Ward meant that it had to carry on after the best arc of MHA. Which pretty much never gets surpassed (only touched by Paranormal Liberation war) Forest Training to Kamino arc was peak mha.
 
57Dev said:
Class A vs B just lacked any tension. Not only it was a practice match with nothing at stake not even a medal. The difference between A vs B is like Justice Leauge vs Guradians of Globe.

More importantly. It wasn't fun. Besides Iida and Mudman abosutely carrying their team nothing felt all that intresting. Monoma would have been a excellent match for Deku if came prepared with the best quirk of his classmates. Which is something I will never understand, why the hell would you want to steal the enemies quirk which is not only risky but also a very new tool rather than just using all the OP quirks of your classmates. Can you imagine a Big Fist + Steel x Twin Impact combo that would go hard.

The license exam was also meh. Deku doesn't get a fight, he gets a boner. Pretty much everyone else feels like bum. Like a army of Miwa's. Shindo and Inasa are the only standouts. Bakugo bits were fun but he was barely in the arc. Plus this being the first major arc post Kamino Ward meant that it had to carry on after the best arc of MHA. Which pretty much never gets surpassed (only touched by Paranormal Liberation war) Forest Training to Kamino arc was peak mha.
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So I am not the only one who ******* hates that arc


Also believing Todoroki was nerfed massively just to give Iida something to do
 
57Dev said:
Class A vs B just lacked any tension. Not only it was a practice match with nothing at stake not even a medal. The difference between A vs B is like Justice Leauge vs Guradians of Globe.

More importantly. It wasn't fun. Besides Iida and Mudman abosutely carrying their team nothing felt all that intresting. Monoma would have been an excellent match for Deku if came prepared with the best quirk of his classmates. Which is something I will never understand, why the hell would you want to steal the enemies quirk which is not only risky but also a very new tool rather than just using all the OP quirks of your classmates. Can you imagine a Big Fist + Steel x Twin Impact combo that would go hard.
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To be fair, Monoma seemingly doesn’t learn Quirk Combos until after the Joint Training. But also, it should be noted that it’s implied Monoma can use his experience with all kinds of Quirks to use it better than the original person (depending on the experience of the individual he’s copying from, obviously. He’s not using OFA better than All Might, for instance). In fact, Aizawa was banking on this very fact to train Eri.

If he copied OFA successfully, and survived, he would’ve been an immensely valuable asset, as he’d force a Deku mirror match, plus have access to Shinsou’s Brainwashing (making responding to his taunts impossible, which is difficult for people to not fall for because it’s actively noted Monoma is a really good rage baiter, and he frequently uses one’s own trauma against them to evoke reactions), or Tokage’s Lizard Tail Splitter (it has a regenerative effect of some kind, allowing replacement of whole chunks of the body, which means Monoma could totally switch Quirks to repair himself even if he’s on the back foot + even if using OFA the way Deku can is too much for him and he has to stick with S1-2 types of use, like just fingers and arms).

Additionally, I think the strongest Quirk in the class is Weld. You fuse things at the molecular/atomic level to other things. Straight up, if Monoma copied THAT Quirk, he’d be capable of instantly winning a fight just with some of his capture tape and the art of surprise.

But the issue with practically all of these is that almost all of these exercises start with prep for both sides, ranging into 15 minutes or so. While Horikoshi totally could’ve given Monoma a major upgrade of like, 30 minutes to make this irrelevant, contextually speaking (basing it on what we knew about his Quirk before, which was 5 minutes, making that a ridiculous plot contrived jump compared to the respectable 10 he had before), this means Monoma literally can only use the Quirks he was designed to have via his team. The only way to get around this is with support gear that minimizes his weaknesses.

But uh, huge problem. Doing that makes Monoma way too broken. The way to sidestep Monoma’s weaknesses, based on the canon way the Quirk works, is simply getting the hair of all he wants Quirks from and having the Support Course build his suit with those hairs, like how Mirio and Toru do to have a costume that interacts with them.

But doing that makes Monoma nearly plot breaking. Even restricting him to just his class, and not any other hairs given to him by the teachers—Such as 1-A’s, or their own—That’s like 20-ish outright. 20 Quirks. And he doesn’t suffer any body backlash for it, because he’s actually only copying 4, and just Copying any Quirk he wants from his Costume when he desires to.

On top of that, as we see in the War Arc with Erasure, repeatedly Copying Quirks resets the timer, so he would have these Quirks indefinitely. If the battle occurred and Horikoshi gave him his later learned Quirk Combos/Fusions, he could literally not only use multiple Quirks at once, but create new unique ones out of pre-existing Quirks, like AFO does.

Combine THAT with his implied mastery over a wide range of Quirks, his advanced intelligence, (and that’s not including any intelligence Quirks Hori could’ve said he put in his suit, like High Spec), and Monoma is an outright juggernaut.

And that’s literally just giving him his canon abilities + logically thinking about his Quirk canonically works. (As he copied Kirishima’s Quirk through just his hair, so the suit is totally viable).

The only real limitations Deku could exploit in that instance (assuming he wasn’t at his TUM/Quirk Fusion levels of skill) is the fact he has 10-ish seconds of weakness to switch Quirks he already has in his rotation. But like, Monoma could sidestep that by just freshly copying from the costume, because he is able to immediately use a Quirk in that case compared to switching. (Sort of like how switching weapons is faster than reloading in most FPS games).

All of that is to say, Monoma quickly gets out of hand if you don’t stifle him. It’s better from a writer perspective to keep Monoma limited, especially if you KNOW you have a War Arc coming up and would have to make up a REALLY GOOD REASON as to why Monoma doesn’t stand next to Deku, Bakugou, and Todoroki in the front lines due to how absurdly powerful his Quirk is.

Plus, there’s also the fact that Monoma is supposed to be the thinker of the class. It demonstrates his designated archetype much better if he gets close to winning not through meta gaming his Quirk/pulling a rules lawyer to become straight up OP, but literally out-thinking Midoriya. His plan was totally sound, but he had no way of anticipating Midoriya’s Quirk of raging out, which literally made their whole trap fail—(Something openly admitted in the narrative)—And that Midoriya’s Quirk was a “Blank,” which puts him on the back foot, as that’s just RNG.

(But it should be noted that even then, Monoma knew this could have happened in general, and their trap was supposed to account for this failure if it happened, as Monoma would take the fall, but Mina, Ochako, and Mineta would be taken out—Leading to a good 4v1 on Deku, at worst).

That demonstrates strategic thinking, which works well to portray intellect to your audience, even if there is an arguably suitable amount of demonstrable intelligence in making your Quirk unstoppable via smart ways of ridding yourself of weaknesses, like members of Class 1-A do through grit and hard work.

EDIT: (Plus, it helps highlight the “underhandedness” that Monoma and Shinsou “require” to be heroes in comparison to everyone else. They “have to think like villains to be heroes.” Giving Monoma a way to sidestep his weaknesses for a cool showdown, at all, or really just giving him that showdown in general, runs counter to that idea).
 
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Death Battle could do the funniest ******* thing to counter the whole "Venom Blasts hurt people with genetic powers more" thing since Quirkless Deku's new suit is stated to be able to mimic OFA's abilities, they could just use that version of him and just have him fight as he normally would while taking away that potential bonus point for Miles. XD
 
Oreo166 said:
Ngl, why they already got me kinda nervous about the Deku research with them claiming Danger Sense doesn’t detect location of the threat…?
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I mean theyre the same people that said shigaraki decay can decay the soul from the outside so its a 50 50 glaze
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Death Battle could do the funniest ******* thing to counter the whole "Venom Blasts hurt people with genetic powers more" thing since Quirkless Deku's new suit is stated to be able to mimic OFA's abilities, they could just use that version of him and just have him fight as he normally would while taking away that potential bonus point for Miles. XD
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So Deku without feats and scaling, free win
 
57Dev said:
If fire wasn't working he could have just buried Tetsutetsu under ice.
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Honestly. Todoroki could have easily ended the fight easily. Horikoshi just put a trauma nerf on him so others could shine while he glaze his favourite child bakugo in that arc.

But honestly speaking, shoto really is not a good partner to team up with if you can't fly. His area effect/control on the ground is quite large. So I understand why Horikoshi wrote the battle that way.
 
Mapl3Sy4up said:
From what I've seen Mile's vibranium suit is only really used to contain him now as treatment since He's a vampire now

It's been damaged by low level street tiers
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Hopefully they bring that up in the DB, I’m a bit concerned that they’re gonna use massive outliers to have Miles win.
 
Mapl3Sy4up said:
From what I've seen Mile's vibranium suit is only really used to contain him now as treatment since He's a vampire now

It's been damaged by low level street tiers
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Yeah, it's specifically said to be thinner than Black Panther's Vibranium suit since it was created to treat his vampirism (lol okay Marvel) rather than act as armor.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Doesn’t vibranium suit = gg, comics vibranium is like galaxy level minimum
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What the others said, but also the power of Vibranium in itself has always been inconsistent. For instance, Deadpool can kick T'Challa's nuts through it and actually deal damage. And Kid Deadpool directly hit Miles so hard he felt it through the suit and was utterly dazed. At other instances, it can tank far more. Vibranium, while very effective, isn't cross-scaleable without direct statements, because each Vibranium item has it's own set of specifications that make it better/worse at it's job compared to others. For instance, as mentioned prior, Miles' is a very thin light refined coating, so Miles' isn't nearly as strong as BP's. Conversely, the fact Vibranium has been combined with a Proto-Adamantium (and honestly other stuff across the ages) makes Cap's shield GENUINELY UNBREAKABLE (short uber cosmic weapons) to literally almost everything. It can tank the hits of Thor going all out. It's just not a very good thing to do. This includes up and downscaling, because there's no system that determines the exact quality and capability. It's just vaguely "stronger" or "weaker" relative to each other, and arbitrarily at that. (So trying to figure out Miles' Vibranium Suit's limits via downscaling from T'Challa's suit is a no-go.)

Again, the only exception to this is when two items are directly compared. For instance, if Tony made a new suit and said his Vibranium variant was as durable as Cap's Shield, you can then freely apply scaling between them, because they're meant to be "identical."
 
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