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Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread

So apparently the Welcome to Metropolis prequel novel has some interesting stuff:

Superman rips a tank in half which is described as "egg-shaped" and made of titanium:
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Hawkgirl hits Metallo hard enough to launch him a hundred yards away:
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Superman's super-breath is compared to a typhoon, which Metallo powers through. When the rest of the Justice Gang contribute to the attack, the result is compared to "a tornado, a hurricane, and an electrical storm combined into one terrifying maelstrom", which overwhelms Metallo:
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Yeah I could not disagree more. The problem with Superman snapping Zod's neck isn't just that he killed someone. One of the major issues with Man of Steel Superman drawing the line at the neck-snap after he spent the last 45 minutes of the movie hardly doing anything about all the people dying around him is hilarious. He gives no particular indication that he values life nearly to the same extent DCU Superman does, so it means basically nothing that he cry-screams after doing it IMO. DCU Superman puts his money where his mouth is and actively tries his best to save whoever he can, so if he decides he can't defeat someone without killing them, I genuinely trust his judgment more.

The Man of Steel scene just ages worse every time I re-watch it.
Saying he hardly done antyhing about the people dying when the last part of the movie is all about him trying to save the entire human population is insane.
 
Saw the movie. To keep it short, I have a lot of thoughts about it. It kinda feels a weirder version of Superman: Birthright.

I enjoyed it, but it has some weird plot choices and this one really awful plot decision at the end that really prevents me from rating this higher than 8/10. It's very "Almost frustratingly near perfect but not quite" but goddamn, I'd be lying if I said that it didn't fill me with hopecore.

At the very least, it set a solid foundation for the DCU and it manages to get this iteration of Superman right.

I'll post more of my rambles here later.
 
Saw the movie with some friends today and yeah 'twas a very good movie. Not big on this universes version of Jor-El being evil, and thought that clarks and lois' relationship could have done with more screen time. But overall I loved my time watching it, it's made me a true #gunngooner can't wait to see where this new DCU goes from here.
 
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dunno if any of the stuff is legit since I haven’t watched it yet but here you guys go if you wanthttps://youtu.be/ifbCL8JABU0?si=yJNV8PXRhGGF4jPI
 
Just some random rambles. Things I didn't like:

Starting with the biggest one. The whole plot of Superman's Kryptonian parents being evil, it never having a proper conclusion to it and then Superman tossing aside his Kryptonian parents in favour of his Earth ones and it being portrayed as a good thing.That really rubbed me the wrong way and apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so. It comes of as weirdly contradictory to the immigrant allegory that James said he was trying to do, when Jor-El ends up giving Lex a legit reason to fear him. It's much stronger with Clark accepting both sides of his life. Krypton being flawed just like Earth and their destruction being the result of said flaws is a much stronger tragedy than them just being.... Viltrum. It just removes a lot of nuance to the character and creates some really weird implications the more you think about it.

It's crazy when Birthright, the book this movie takes heavy inspiration from, does this plot so much better yet James just doesn't do that. He had the blueprints and just threw it away.

Idk, I just feel the whole thing has weird implications, and I don't think James meant anything malicious, I just don't think he thought it out that well.

Some other minor stuff:
  • Hypno glasses is meh. I think Clark being an actual persona is a lot better.
  • I'm not in the minority in this, but I feel the Kent's should be dead. I feel more often than not it makes Superman mission to spread kindness in their legacy, just like his birth parents much stronger.
  • I'm kinda mixed on Jor-El sending Clark to Earth on a mission to spread kindness. It's not bad, however, I much prefer the plot point of Jor-El not even knowing if Clark would make it, and simply sending Clark into the cosmos in one last shred of hope that somehow, he would survive to be a far more powerful message.
  • I do miss the larger scale of destruction in some of the previous movies, especially with the city truly being empty should allow for more creative stuff. Action was still great though.
  • Pacing is a bit off, mainly in the first half. It feels kinda choppy, like a lot of it was cut? Not actual flaw but a bit bothersome.
Now negativity aside and for things I did like:
  • Action was great, really loved how the flight was portrayed. I do miss the high speed action of MoS but this is still great. I really loved the creative uses of Superman's abilities in this movie, especially stuff like the spinning heat vision move.
  • Humor is pretty good for the most part, one of the better humor in JG movies. I feel Gunn excels much better in Pg rated humor than r rated.
  • I love the sets, really loved the extra mile they went to make it feel like it was out of a comic book. The whole world felt truly alive.
  • Characters were the strongest point. Clark's kindest is really displayed frontmost with him caring about even the smallest animal. And I liked that everyone had something to do in this film, even the daily planet side gang. Mr Terrific does a lot more than I thought he would, and I'm really surprised how well Guy Gardner was done in this film, still a dick but takes his job as a GL seriously nonetheless. Lex was just ******* amazing, man. Absolute hatred to the point of tears is insane. I do wished they kept him and Clark being childhood friends but oh well. Hawkgirl didn't do much but her killing bootleg Netanyahu was hilarious. Literally no questions or is is ever brought up again lmfao.
  • Casting for everyone is pretty much perfect, like I literally have no complaints here. Oh yeah, Supergirl was neat ig.
  • Movie's plot is honestly solid despite the issue I laid out earlier, and it really leans into the more drama aspects of Superman which I appreciate. It has some quite some moving parts but everything manages to come together and wrap up in a pretty satisfying manner. David and Nicholas might be my new favourite Supes and Lex like.... ever.

It really feels like the movie was laying the groundwork for something much bigger, and for the most part, does a good job at laying that foundation. I feel James definitely has room for improvement.

I feel like I'm being too harsh on this film, but that's because everything else is so amazing but those few plot decisions are just too glaring too ignore. That aside, I haven't felt this amount of joy since Transformers One. Guessed I'm that starved for good content of my favourite things huh.

I'll rewatch it definitely, and my opinion may vary in the future, but rn it's a solid 8/10.
 
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This is obviously still early but I already am working the basis until we get better footage, I don't expect any of these calcs to have any significant change in value at all so kinda take these calcs as being similar to the final ratings I'd say


I'm gonna update it more as we move forward ofc
Just as a reminder, we also have the prequel junior novel and that one Milk-Bone comic that can be used for the profile as well.
 
Erm how we feeling about Lex having a profile with Ultraman and the Engineer as standard equipment and up to low 2-C with either creation or prep

I only ask because there are other profiles with other whole ass squads people as standard equipment like muzan having his group
 
Erm how we feeling about Lex having a profile with Ultraman and the Engineer as standard equipment and up to low 2-C with either creation or prep

I only ask because there are other profiles with other whole ass squads people as standard equipment like muzan having his group
Muzan has them as standard equipment because he can summon them. I'd suggest a Luthorcorp profile since Lex almost exclusively fights with the entire corporation at once.

Alternatively just give him Summoning, Telepathy, and Clairvoyance via his communications and robot systems so that he could realistically call Ultraman and the Engineer whenever he wants for a fight. With them being listed as summons
 
Just some random rambles. Things I didn't like:

Starting with the biggest one. The whole plot of Superman's Kryptonian parents being evil, it never having a proper conclusion to it and then Superman tossing aside his Kryptonian parents in favour of his Earth ones and it being portrayed as a good thing.That really rubbed me the wrong way and apparently I'm not the only one who thinks so. It comes of as weirdly contradictory to the immigrant allegory that James said he was trying to do, when Jor-El ends up giving Lex a legit reason to fear him. It's much stronger with Clark accepting both sides of his life. Krypton being flawed just like Earth and their destruction being the result of said flaws is a much stronger tragedy than them just being.... Viltrum. It just removes a lot of nuance to the character and creates some really weird implications the more you think about it.

It's crazy when Birthright, the book this movie takes heavy inspiration from, does this plot so much better yet James just doesn't do that. He had the blueprints and just threw it away.

Idk, I just feel the whole thing has weird implications, and I don't think James meant anything malicious, I just don't think he thought it out that well.

Some other minor stuff:
  • Hypno glasses is meh. I think Clark being an actual persona is a lot better.
  • I'm not in the minority in this, but I feel the Kent's should be dead. I feel more often than not it makes Superman mission to spread kindness in their legacy, just like his birth parents much stronger.
  • I'm kinda mixed on Jor-El sending Clark to Earth on a mission to spread kindness. It's not bad, however, I much prefer the plot point of Jor-El not even knowing if Clark would make it, and simply sending Clark into the cosmos in one last shred of hope that somehow, he would survive to be a far more powerful message.
  • I do miss the larger scale of destruction in some of the previous movies, especially with the city truly being empty should allow for more creative stuff. Action was still great though.
  • Pacing is a bit off, mainly in the first half. It feels kinda choppy, like a lot of it was cut? Not actual flaw but a bit bothersome.
Now negativity aside and for things I did like:
  • Action was great, really loved how the flight was portrayed. I do miss the high speed action of MoS but this is still great. I really loved the creative uses of Superman's abilities in this movie, especially stuff like the spinning heat vision move.
  • Humor is pretty good for the most part, one of the better humor in JG movies. I feel Gunn excels much better in Pg rated humor than r rated.
  • I love the sets, really loved the extra mile they went to make it feel like it was out of a comic book. The whole world felt truly alive.
  • Characters were the strongest point. Clark's kindest is really displayed frontmost with him caring about even the smallest animal. And I liked that everyone had something to do in this film, even the daily planet side gang. Mr Terrific does a lot more than I thought he would, and I'm really surprised how well Guy Gardner was done in this film, still a dick but takes his job as a GL seriously nonetheless. Lex was just ******* amazing, man. Absolute hatred to the point of tears is insane. I do wished they kept him and Clark being childhood friends but oh well. Hawkgirl didn't do much but her killing bootleg Netanyahu was hilarious. Literally no questions or is is ever brought up again lmfao.
  • Casting for everyone is pretty much perfect, like I literally have no complaints here. Oh yeah, Supergirl was neat ig.
  • Movie's plot is honestly solid despite the issue I laid out earlier, and it really leans into the more drama aspects of Superman which I appreciate. It has some quite some moving parts but everything manages to come together and wrap up in a pretty satisfying manner. David and Nicholas might be my new favourite Supes and Lex like.... ever.

It really feels like the movie was laying the groundwork for something much bigger, and for the most part, does a good job at laying that foundation. I feel James definitely has room for improvement.

I feel like I'm being too harsh on this film, but that's because everything else is so amazing but those few plot decisions are just too glaring too ignore. That aside, I haven't felt this amount of joy since Transformers One. Guessed I'm that starved for good content of my favourite things huh.

I'll rewatch it definitely, and my opinion may vary in the future, but rn it's a solid 8/10.
IMO this movie had a lot of pros but was too reactionary against what I think it saw in MoS, which also had a lot of good. Both of them are completely different stylistically but have two interpretations of the character which I think are too black and white. They’re both pretty much the same in movie-enjoying quality (one has a lot of landing humor, but the other makes up for it for the best kick-ass action I’ve ever seen in a CBM) but seem to miss fundamental aspects of the character the other one seems to recover. Both are 6/10.

Welling is still the best Superman. Reeve is the backdrop behind all of them, and I still think Welling developed him the best, with Cavill and Corenswet being cartoons in comparison.
 
are we considering the Antarctica speed feat and the one where he flies into space and divebombs both the engineer and ultraman as scaling to combat and reactions? I wanna say so since Engineer and Ultraman were able to catch him in flight with her tendrils catching up to him, well I'd image so its actually supported by the junior novel saying Superman could "within microseconds" locate criminals scanning with his X-Ray vision which I mean I imagine they aren't meaning hundreds or dozens of microseconds so that'd be more MHS support.

I'm adding everything to a sandbox I'm working on
please keep me updated
 
As Luthor fan (I am extreme humanist oc) I've so happy in this incarnation he is so creative and cunning mind,
Unlike his DCEU counterpart which look like Joker.
He is extraor genius for his ultraman creation.
Finally I hope he donned his green-purple battle suit to fight Superman himself.
 
For Kara, I don't remember them saying she physical flew herself to another Solar System. Doesn't she still have her working Space Ship? 🤔
 
well tbf he had to turn him over to the US there and admitted if this was under different circumstances he would have killed him
Lex is bastardized enough to just kill him and say “sorry he fell into a blackhole” why are we acting like he genuinely cares about his deal with the US lmao.
 
Saw the movie with grandparents and had a great time. Loved Superman here, but the breakout character for me is absolutely Mister Terrific. Never heard of the character before seeing the movie, but it definitely sold me on him. I don't even really know how to describe it, he just has this... deadpan charisma to him that I really like. Helps that he has one of the best action scenes in the movie. What a cool dude.
 
Just watched Superman, I liked it, but the plot is kinda generic tbh. Still doesn't beat Man of Steel for me imo.

Why would his parents start appearing as evil? That has never even been the case at all with most of the Superman adaptations I've ever seen. And boy did I hate how Superman mostly gets his ass kicked in the movie so many times. But Lex Luthor, goddamn he's got to be the most evil one I've ever seen so far, considering how he shot a guy to try to get Superman to reveal his identity to. But overall I enjoyed the movie
 
Making the guy who lost the casting to become Superman as Lex Luthor is some masterclass casting choice, this shit need to be studied.
How many times has this happened before lollollol cause during Superman tge animated series Clancy Brown auditioned for Superman, but got Lex instead.

Its the funniest thing ever 🤣
 
I do think that a major flaw of this movie is that it's also supposed to introduce general audiences to this new universe. It has to both be a Superman movie and an intro to the DCU as a whole which does cause issues. Hopefully in the sequel we can focus more on Superman's mythos since the universe will be more fleshed out by then.
 
Just watched Superman, I liked it, but the plot is kinda generic tbh. Still doesn't beat Man of Steel for me imo.

Why would his parents start appearing as evil? That has never even been the case at all with most of the Superman adaptations I've ever seen. And boy did I hate how Superman mostly gets his ass kicked in the movie so many times. But Lex Luthor, goddamn he's got to be the most evil one I've ever seen so far, considering how he shot a guy to try to get Superman to reveal his identity to. But overall I enjoyed the movie
He really only got beat by Ultraman otherwise he was diffing everyone else while weakened
Man bruh ain't no way Homelander can beat this Superman plz say it ain't so
He can't he has way lower speed and lifting strength, he actually gets no diffed
 
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