Ecco vs. Fern - The battle of range spammers [CONCLUDED]

[LegendariumOfLies]

Fern is just a better eccho in terms of moveset (minus regen) so yeah pretty easy win for her. The water and mobility don’t mean anything to her at all. However eccho is cool and I don’t care if his matches are meme, they sre so cool.

Thats 5 Fern to 1 Ecco

 

[Chariot190]

Dosent fern in character is basic attacking spells bcuz of freirens teachings? Don't think she uses any hax here

Fern's basic attack, is Demon Slaying Magic, or Zoltraak. Which is magic designed to penetrate defenses and metaphorically void the foe. The main reason why she wins, is that her basic attacking spells kind of roided out.

Not a Frieren expert, I just started reading it, but doesn't Frieren say that Fern can fire off spells quicker than her? I think that Frieren's spam is actually worse, but I could be wrong

It is. Fern's main niche is that she's fast af. Both her quickdraw, time to cast and attack speed is like top 3 in verse. Frieren eclipses her in literally everything else though from mana, skill, versatility, power, etc.

How fast is Fern’s spam? Ecco has a dura/AP advantage and has low-high regen that pops really quickly. Plus, Ecco has stealth mastery, which might help him break off of Fern’s sight and get in range. (If Ecco gets optional equipment he could also transform into other animals, possibly tricking Fern to once again allow him an opening).

At least 12 at once on rapid fire.
Fern has stupid af mana detection, I'm not sure how we'd equalize that tho. Everything has mana in Frieren to varying degrees but a few minor cases, but a normal human's is basically non-existent. If we do like DBZ were we assume Ecco has mana, just like, none at all. Fern should still be able to sense him, vaguely, given her sensing is probably top 3 in whole verse, and I'm just assuming Serie better even tho she has no feats, she could easily be top 2 or even 1.

Fern ALSO has good senses, like let's not forget she can snipe a target from 20km away at minimum from the sky (she's done this at least two times), outside of her own mana detection range as well as her foe's, as in she could intuitively pick up where they are or she's a goddamn hawk given these foes weren't exactly stationary the entire time. Either or, I doubt Ecco is escaping her, especially when she's going to be controlling when and where Ecco can even move due to the onslaught of her attacks that she can manually control.

 

[Chariot190]

Ok, thanks. Also, I’m a bit confused as to what speed value is being equalized to, would it equalize to Ecco’s Supersonic+ Value, or Fern’s human level value for without magic, because if it is equalized to human level then the range gap is impossible to close.

Combat speed. So we'd equalize to Ecco's Supersonic+ as Fern's combat speed is Hypersonic and it gets lowered to the lower value. Every other move gets lowered comparatively.

 

[OrangeFR]

Thanks for everyone telling me about the speed equalization thing. I’m going with Ecco tho because due to his durability superiority and near instant healing (look on his profile if you want justification, I don’t have a gif) make it so that he will just outlast Fern, since he won’t run of stamina due to healing and she shouldn’t (from what I know) be able to outdamage Ecco’s regen due to the Dura gap. Ecco will outlast until she runs out of stamina imo.

 

[Chariot190]

Thanks for everyone telling me about the speed equalization thing. I’m going with Ecco tho because due to his durability superiority and near instant healing (look on his profile if you want justification, I don’t have a gif) make it so that he will just outlast Fern, since he won’t run of stamina due to healing and she shouldn’t (from what I know) be able to outdamage Ecco’s regen due to the Dura gap. Ecco will outlast until she runs out of stamina imo.

She has damage boost that is big enough to make it so her attacks that couldn't even get past someone's dbz aura, could rip through it and land lethal blows afterward. Literally nosell to oneshot type boost.

Ecco's healing is good and quick, except he's being bombarded by dozens of attacks literally every second, sure he might avoid some, but he can't exactly avoid them all given they'd be coming from every direction so no matter where he'd dodge, he's getting hit by one. It isn't so quick as to outheal her attacks given it takes 5-10 seconds for him to heal, in fact she's fought people with even better "healing" (well less healing and more they Type 2+biomanip/blood that can recreate their lost body parts), than Ecco, and literally overwhelmed them with her DPS and danmaku.
mind you, Ecco's healing is only like
"High-Low: The ability to regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears, minor organ damage, and even potentially reattach lost limbs. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts."
And Ecco himself is at the very bottom of that tier, he isn't in the "oh yeah he can reattach body bodys or regrow stuff" category, he isn't healing major organ damage, holes in him, etc. And it still takes him like 5-10 seconds to heal it off from his pov, while he's going to be constantly dealing with Fern's pressure at a much quicker rate.

Fern's stamina is good enough to where she can fire countless attacks for who knows how long, we legit never see her tire at any point when it comes to this so I can't say, people even get shocked that she can do so the way she does

Healing and stamina are not tied, he still has stamina.

This is also ignoring every one of her beams can explode with hefty AOE like here if she wants it too.

And this is just casually.

 

[OrangeFR]

She has damage boost that is big enough to make it so her attacks that couldn't even get past someone's dbz aura, could rip through it and land lethal blows afterward. Literally nosell to oneshot type boost.

Ecco's healing is good and quick, except he's being bombarded by dozens of attacks literally every second, sure he might avoid some, but he can't exactly avoid them all given they'd be coming from every direction so no matter where he'd dodge, he's getting hit by one. It isn't so quick as to outheal her attacks given it takes 5-10 seconds for him to heal, in fact she's fought people with even better "healing" (well less healing and more they Type 2+biomanip/blood that can recreate their lost body parts), than Ecco, and literally overwhelmed them with her DPS and danmaku.
mind you, Ecco's healing is only like
"High-Low: The ability to regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears, minor organ damage, and even potentially reattach lost limbs. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts."
And Ecco himself is at the very bottom of that tier, he isn't in the "oh yeah he can reattach body bodys or regrow stuff" category, he isn't healing major organ damage, holes in him, etc. And it still takes him like 5-10 seconds to heal it off from his pov, while he's going to be constantly dealing with Fern's pressure at a much quicker rate.

Fern's stamina is good enough to where she can fire countless attacks for who knows how long, we legit never see her tire at any point when it comes to this so I can't say, people even get shocked that she can do so the way she does

Healing and stamina are not tied, he still has stamina.

This is also ignoring every one of her beams can explode with hefty AOE like here if she wants it too.

And this is just casually.

I record my vote, I didn’t know her degree of damage boost. This seems like a stomp now tbh, I don’t see echo having any way to win.

 

[Arceus0x]

He also seems to have healing via bubbles and contact with some statues or some stuff. I can see some bubbles making their way in but no statues and I didn't give him optional equipment

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

He also seems to have healing via bubbles and contact with some statues or some stuff. I can see some bubbles making their way in but no statues and I didn't give him optional equipment

Basically he has slim but unlikley chance to win. Fern AOE+Spam wins

 

[Bruhtelho]

Fern FRA

 

[That_moron2]

Fern FRA (that Dolphin bastard didn't deserve those Ws anyway)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Fern's basic attack, is Demon Slaying Magic, or Zoltraak. Which is magic designed to penetrate defenses and metaphorically void the foe. The main reason why she wins, is that her basic attacking spells kind of roided out.

yeah ik im just responding to the whole transmutation magic situation.

 

[Chariot190]

Spoiler: i realized this spoiler

Damage Boost, a burst can't even get passed her vibes, but boosting it makes them lethal.

Damage Boost takes way more mana tho (given she's pooling way more mana into it), so Ecco could outlast that way ig though if she also isn't critically wounded and used a fuckton of mana protecting herself from dozens of attacks that could one shot her, she isn't gonna run out anytime soon either, but if she damage boosts to begin with and they hit Ecco, which mind you she can manually control them, I really doubt he's healing them off to begin with so ya know given his healing isn't even the greatest, it's just quick. And they'd be coupled with her spammable ones that can still Ecco just not as much.

Either way, it's death by a thousand cuts a second, or a thousand cuts except a few giant punches to the dik are thrown in there too for good measure. The only way he can outlast Fern is if she just spams solely damage boost attacks, while injured, and doesn't do her main gimmick in conjunction with that.

Mind you, Fern doesn't actually need to use boost, her normal attacks can hurt Ecco, and she can fire literally dozens at a time, nonstop, for so long, that she's basically inexhaustible while doing it and at a safe distance, and quick enough to where Ecco can't exactly heal them off quick enough before it gets real bad.

also i think i found a HHS fern feat while skimming for range feats.

 

[Arceus0x]

Ain't that 7-1/7-0? Grace!

 

[Chariot190]

Aren't you OP, why haven't you been adding votes...

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I think that is unironically Grace fro Fern

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

ECCO SWEEP

 

[Arkansalter2]

ECCO SWEEP

Ecco lost here lmfao.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Ecco lost here lmfao.

Its so over eccobros...

 

[Arkansalter2]

Its so over eccobros...

Nah yall might be back in some time maybe.

 

[OrangeFR]

It’s Eccover

 

[Tatsumi504]

I'm just assuming Serie better even tho she has no feats, she could easily be top 2 or even 1

Please never utter such blasphemy again.

Anyway Fern FRA

 

[Arceus0x]

It's joever, Ecco's reign lasted for a whole 2 official victories. GG.

 

[Tatsumi504]

The better range spammer won that's all

 

[Keeweed]

To be fair once Fern regains durability negation this likely should be removed as a match (seriously why was durability negation removed, it being a soul attack is literally the entire point)

 

[Zabazab]

To be fair once Fern regains durability negation this likely should be removed as a match (seriously why was durability negation removed, it being a soul attack is literally the entire point)

It's not ever said to be a soul attack or durability negation in the manga afaik.

 

[Chariot190]

It's not ever said to be a soul attack or durability negation in the manga afaik.

Not soul, but it's made pretty explicit it's duraneg and just doesn't duraneg in modern day due to basic defensive magic having layers of defenses built in precisely to negate that fact.

 

[Keeweed]

Isn’t it specifically taken from the demon guy’s soul attack (soul track). I thought that was the entire point, they took it and studied it to make defenses to it.
Edit: Is soul track not the official name, because if so dang translations.

 

[Zabazab]

Not soul, but it's made pretty explicit it's duraneg and just doesn't duraneg in modern day due to basic defensive magic having layers of defenses built in precisely to negate that fact.

Is the official translation from chapter 5 scuffed then? It doesn't mention dura neg properties. Would this also only be for people, and not objects?

Isn’t it specifically taken from the demon guy’s soul attack (soul track). I thought that was the entire point, they took it and studied it to make defenses to it

Zoltraak/Soul Track is just a name. Just the sound "Zorutoraku". Its actual magical property is "Human/Demon Killing Magic".

 

[Chariot190]

Isn’t it specifically taken from the demon guy’s soul attack (soul track). I thought that was the entire point, they took it and studied it to make defenses to it

They did. But nothing actually says it's soul based. Soul Track isn't even really what it's called, that's just a fan localization.

 

[Keeweed]

Seems multiple here, including me, have been misguided by poor translations. Wish Japanese didn’t get the worst of this for some strange reason. Though still the durability negation part would make this a stomp once it’s rightfully readded

 

[SuperSonicTL]

... Is that a Dolphin?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

... Is that a Dolphin?

Yes...(peak)

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

... Is that a Dolphin?

Peak, isn't it?

 

[OrangeFR]

... Is that a Dolphin?

Bro already beat Sukuna and Goku