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Ecco vs. Fern - The battle of range spammers [CONCLUDED]

I mean, if anyone asks, I didn't say it, but Ecco does have a forcefield that makes him effectively
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Does it last long? Long enough to withstand all attacks to give himself enough time to wear out Fern's barriers and actually hit her?
 
I mean, if anyone asks, I didn't say it, but Ecco does have a forcefield that makes him effectively
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Zoltraak literally has forcefield neg built in as the premise 🫵
Lil bro aint getting out of this one.
 
Woah woah who said I was arguing for Ecco here? Strong Piercing Beam negs Ecco. The only thing I can ask is would Fern kill a dolphine in-character? Despite how she looks, she can get pretty blood thirsty. I remember she was okay with killing humans who were trying to rob her in a forest.
 
Does it last long? Long enough to withstand all attacks to give himself enough time to wear out Fern's barriers and actually hit her?

Hundreds meters vs kilometers.
He cant even if he wanted to, Fern can move while attacking. She's liable to create a gap where she can safely attack but he can not retaliate or sense her exact position. She's done that in most of her fights tbh.
Woah woah who said I was arguing for Ecco here? Strong Piercing Beam negs Ecco. The only thing I can ask is would Fern kill a dolphine in-character? Despite how she looks, she can get pretty blood thirsty. I remember she was okay with killing humans who were trying to rob her in a forest.
I mean, she would not attack a wild animal unless her life was in danger. Also you talking about Ubel? Ubel is the chick who cut up bandits into lil chunks, not Fern.
 
I mean, she would not attack a wild animal unless her life was in danger. Also you talking about Ubel? Ubel is the chick who cut up bandits into lil chunks, not Fern.
It was like she was getting robbed by a blonde mage and some guys with daggers-oh yea that was Ubel lol
 
Hundreds meters vs kilometers.
He cant even if he wanted to, Fern can move while attacking. She's liable to create a gap where she can safely attack but he can not retaliate or sense her exact position. She's done that in most of her fights tbh.
Has she ever flown actual kilometers in the air though? Cause the terrain I'm suggesting (lake and forest) kimda causes some trouble here (though tbf she could just nuke enough terrain for herself?). If she only moves like a hundred meters away she'd still be in range for attack spam
 
Has she ever flown actual kilometers in the air though? Cause the terrain I'm suggesting (lake and forest) kimda causes some trouble here (though tbf she could just nuke enough terrain for herself?). If she only moves like a hundred meters away she'd still be in range for attack spam
Yes. She's actively gone so far and high into the sky, she could snipe demons outside their mana sensing, which is kms at minimum so they couldnt react. And shes done so multiple times.
 
Yes. She's actively gone so far and high into the sky, she could snipe demons outside their mana sensing, which is kms at minimum so they couldnt react. And shes done so multiple times.
Then the final questions are, would she do it in time and would results change if I switched it to 50 meters starting instead? Cause Ekko isn't a wuss either he has a 3x Ap advantage and sonar beams many meters wide. He can break through the defenses.
 
Then the final questions are, would she do it in time and would results change if I switched it to 50 meters starting instead? Cause Ekko isn't a wuss either he has a 3x Ap advantage and sonar beams many meters wide. He can break through the defenses.
She can fly while attacking so yeah probably? Might need to block a few of his attacks as she creates a gap but once she does she doesnt need to worry about it at all anymore.

50m is still far enough for her to want to do this, she can covers hundreds of meters in a few seconds with flight and mind you, Ecco himself still has to avoid her homing attacks as well so he'd be preoccupied to some extent.

3x advantage is chunky and def very good, but her mana pool is pretty damn deep, can def do a handful of forcefields that get shattered before she's in danger of being tagged herself.
Plus she does have Damage Boost with her own, her normal attacks cant even touch Sol, her passive aura so damn dense Fern's attacks legit just cant penetrate, with damage boost she can and even land killing blows. So Ecco has to watch out too.
 
I mean shes going to do it no matter the distance, she's long range entirely, it just gets harder the shorter the distance.

But at like what point is it fair? To close and she just gets mauled by a dolphin screeching at her like 50 times. Theres no exact "fair" range, either she does her thing, or she doesnt.

Tbh i dont think itd matter because Zoltraak would one shot and Ecco cant avoid a burst of them as they home while she can at least AOE block a handful of times his shit, but Zoltraak dont got duraneg atm.
 
Also in case anyone says so, Ecco's mobility is going to be highly restricted as Fern can spam and control every attack. She can cause them to pivot instantly, turn repeatedly, etc. Ecco is going to not only be extremely pressed even chasing her because he needs to avoid her attacks, but she can just fire them in ways that forces him to dodge away from her, enabling her to create that gap.

Her Zoltraak control basically enables her to control where he is and how he can move. Like he's good but 12 beams coming at him from every direction that pivot as he tries to dodge kind of hard to get around with his kit.
 
Also in case anyone says so, Ecco's mobility is going to be highly restricted as Fern can spam and control every attack. She can cause them to pivot instantly, turn repeatedly, etc. Ecco is going to not only be extremely pressed even chasing her because he needs to avoid her attacks, but she can just fire them in ways that forces him to dodge away from her, enabling her to create that gap.
Ok, I'm voting Fern for these reasons above alongside other things already discussed in the thread. I have never watched Frieren FRA
 
😭 there goes the dolphin agenda.

was fun while it lasted, votting fern for chariots reasons
DON'T FALTER ON ONE LOSS ECCO FANS, THERE'S STILL MORE MATCHES TO BE MADE. THERE'S MORE AGENDA TO PUSH, GO ON PEOPLE! KEEP POSTING ECCO MATCHES!!!
 
DON'T FALTER ON ONE LOSS ECCO FANS, THERE'S STILL MORE MATCHES TO BE MADE. THERE'S MORE AGENDA TO PUSH, GO ON PEOPLE! KEEP POSTING ECCO MATCHES!!!
With the amount of votes Ecco was getting I originally considered putting him against Frieren herself. I am glad that I didn't.
 
yknow if her spam is so good this could be a stomp.......
 
yknow if her spam is so good this could be a stomp.......
He still has the possibility of getting a hit in which would be a one-shot, not to mention enough shots would break her barriers since its a 3x AP advantage. The reason for her win is that she'd probably get him faster
 
With the amount of votes Ecco was getting I originally considered putting him against Frieren herself. I am glad that I didn't.
Not a Frieren expert, I just started reading it, but doesn't Frieren say that Fern can fire off spells quicker than her? I think that Frieren's spam is actually worse, but I could be wrong
 
Not a Frieren expert, I just started reading it, but doesn't Frieren say that Fern can fire off spells quicker than her? I think that Frieren's spam is actually worse, but I could be wrong
Her spam is worse but her stamina is arguably better, her shields are better or comparable and the most important thing is - variety. She is an expert in countless things. She could just deadass just freeze the lake for example. Another thing is, if she's pushed to her limit she could use her pinnacle of magic state which would basically use invisible magic attacks significantly higher than her AP.
 
How fast is Fern’s spam? Ecco has a dura/AP advantage and has low-high regen that pops really quickly. Plus, Ecco has stealth mastery, which might help him break off of Fern’s sight and get in range. (If Ecco gets optional equipment he could also transform into other animals, possibly tricking Fern to once again allow him an opening).
 
How fast is Fern’s spam? Ecco has a dura/AP advantage and has low-high regen that pops really quickly. Plus, Ecco has stealth mastery, which might help him break off of Fern’s sight and get in range. (If Ecco gets optional equipment he could also transform into other animals, possibly tricking Fern to once again allow him an opening).
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Ok, thanks. Also, I’m a bit confused as to what speed value is being equalized to, would it equalize to Ecco’s Supersonic+ Value, or Fern’s human level value for without magic, because if it is equalized to human level then the range gap is impossible to close.
 
Fern is just a better eccho in terms of moveset (minus regen) so yeah pretty easy win for her. The water and mobility don’t mean anything to her at all. However eccho is cool and I don’t care if their matches are meme, they are so cool.
 
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