[Mega Man 8] Duo is stronger and faster than most think (AP & speed revision)

[Migue79]

Hello, everybody! Migue79 here to give you all another Mega Man CRT. This time, it will be on implementing a set of calcs that recently got accepted that not only upgrades every Classic Era character's AP, but their speed too.

In the calc below, Duo and Evil Robot's clash got to 78.67 Ronnatons of TNT which is decently into Brown Dwarf level. Of course, Duo and Evil Robot would scale to half of this value individually so 39.335 Ronnatons of TNT, and as a result every Classic Era character in Base would scale to the latter number. Very cool stuff.

And I think what is more important here is the speed buff the cast would be getting which with the new calc would be getting 48.923 Quadrillions C. Everyone scales just fine to this, so... Yeah. This is straightforward.

Hopefully this isn't too controversial.

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Maverick_Zero_X

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Absolute agree. Peak Mega Man W yet again

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks great!

 

[AlloyAmi]

another mega w upgrade

 

[Psychomaster35]

This should be fine

 

[Remus1998]

Can't disagree with this

 

[Migue79]

another mega w upgrade

Did you make this?

 

[Mephistus]

yay, rejoice

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Based.

 

[Tonygameman]

Looks mega-plausible enough.

 

[AlloyAmi]

Did you make this?

nah i got this from dr wily himself (literally)

 

[TheHedgememe]

Looks good to me, in all honesty.

From what I've seen about Classic scaling they're already reaching at least planetary to star levels of power so this should be consistent with that.

Speed scaling also looks good to me overall, too. Not at all opposed to the proposed changes.

But, and forgive me for asking, how come the possibly infinite size of the universe established in another thread isn't also taken into account? Given that they are in the farthest reaches in the universe and that it's even implied that where they're fighting (thus also where Duo comes from to go to Earth) is so distant that it's considered unreachable depending on the meaning you derive from the kanji, I feel like this might be another argument to consider. But if there's holes in this logic, that's fine too. Hopefully it's relevant enough to the overall topic, and if not, I can stop yapping here and now.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

is so distant that it's considered unreachable depending on the meaning you derive from the kanji

Tbh, this might be more evidence for infinite sized universe if this technology is this advanced and can see multiple galaxies of the universe from far away, stars, planets, exoplanets, etc yet there's a part they can't truly analyze or reach as it's far beyond their scope

 

[Migue79]

But, and forgive me for asking, how come the possibly infinite size of the universe established in another thread isn't also taken into account? Given that they are in the farthest reaches in the universe and that it's even implied that where they're fighting (thus also where Duo comes from to go to Earth) is so distant that it's considered unreachable depending on the meaning you derive from the kanji, I feel like this might be another argument to consider. But if there's holes in this logic, that's fine too. Hopefully it's relevant enough to the overall topic, and if not, I can stop yapping here and now.

Well first of all, "farthest reaches of the universe" implies they're somewhere relative to its end, which inherently contradicts the notion of us accepting the MM universe being infinite. In an infinite universe, there is no "farthest reach" to come from as there will always be a farther reach you can go. The easy way to accommodate this -at least without having to remove the infinite speed upgrades- is that the quote in the Duo calc refers to the observable universe and the infinite universe quotes previously accepted refer to the actual one.

With all this in mind, the place being unreachable doesn't have to mean they come from infinity: they could just come from an arbitrary distance around 46.5 billion light years. If we can only barely see galaxies tens of billions of light years, we might as well consider any planet or star system at or beyond this point unreachable since we can't even see it. The point would stand if you say that we can actually see up to 46.5 billion light years.

But yeah, I guess this is my way of saying "I didn't take it into account because I don't think Duo would really scale".

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I still think the infinite universe isn't necessarily contradicted by this, even if it will stay the way it is. They don't say they arrived at something like an edge or anything, just that they arrived at the farthest reaches of what we know as the universe or even just bypassed infinity, the latter which could explain the "unreachable" meaning. If something is the farthest reaches it cannot be at the same time "unreachable", since it can be reached. I think it's fine to assume they arrived at the edge of the observable universe, but it is something to note

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Also can this be applied? Cuz we got a vote from a calc member and an admin

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This should work.

 

[TheHedgememe]

Well first of all, "farthest reaches of the universe" implies they're somewhere relative to its end, which inherently contradicts the notion of us accepting the MM universe being infinite. In an infinite universe, there is no "farthest reach" to come from as there will always be a farther reach you can go. The easy way to accommodate this -at least without having to remove the infinite speed upgrades- is that the quote in the Duo calc refers to the observable universe and the infinite universe quotes previously accepted refer to the actual one.

With all this in mind, the place being unreachable doesn't have to mean they come from infinity: they could just come from an arbitrary distance around 46.5 billion light years. If we can only barely see galaxies tens of billions of light years, we might as well consider any planet or star system at or beyond this point unreachable since we can't even see it. The point would stand if you say that we can actually see up to 46.5 billion light years.

But yeah, I guess this is my way of saying "I didn't take it into account because I don't think Duo would really scale".

Okay, that's fair enough. Thanks for bearing with me.

I still think the infinite universe isn't necessarily contradicted by this, even if it will stay the way it is. They don't say they arrived at something like an edge or anything, just that they arrived at the farthest reaches of what we know as the universe or even just bypassed infinity, the latter which could explain the "unreachable" meaning. If something is the farthest reaches it cannot be at the same time "unreachable", since it can be reached. I think it's fine to assume they arrived at the edge of the observable universe, but it is something to note

Pretty much what I was thinking. Just wasn't able to express it well at 2 AM lol.

In any case though, the main point still stands. Everything in OP looks good to me.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

2 admins votes! This can be applied now

 

[Migue79]

Gimme some time as I implement everything here.

EDIT 1: Finished the main characters. I will be continuing the rest tomorrow.