Let's downgrade Sabrina Spellman (CAOS)

[LMalone22]

That's a control feats. Why are you saying BFR all of a sudden.

It just BFR to the void and nothing happens to what she BFR to, so there's no reason to believe she can do the same thing as the void (make everything to nothingness)

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

5-B at least if you said world devouring

I can't imagine the level of rage baiting you are giving me.

1. Worlds and realms have been used interchangeably in the show
2. When the character said “world-devouring” or “world-destroying” related to the Void, it's talking about universe in full entirety. I can't believe I'm explaining this to you.

That “world-devouring” statement from Faustus you see, is after he said that he and Sabrina stand outside of reality. It's clearly talking about the whole universe and space-time rather than simple ball of Earth.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

It just BFR to the void and nothing happens to what she BFR to, so there's no reason to believe she can do the same thing as the void (make everything to nothingness)

Hello, we're talking about control earlier. Oh God, I can't.

 

[LMalone22]

Hello, we're talking about control earlier. Oh God, I can't.

I'm talking about the whole thing, both the fact that she can't control it 100% and the fact that the properties of power she uses don't same the void power

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Ong
May God bless your day, I'm done with this thread, just put me in disagreement.

 

[LMalone22]

just put me in disagreement.

sure

 

[BunBun]

That was like, important role. It's normal for me to say that you didn't watch the show, because what you just kept saying is literally a contradiction of what IN the show.

The real contradiction here is how you keep acting like you’ve watched the whole thing and flexing like you’re some expert trying to bluff me over and over again. Like, chill. I’ve seen the show, but it’s been a while, and forgetting scenes is totally normal. Also, regardless of who watched it or not, posting scans is literally the norm in any debate thread across all verses. That’s basic 101.

I know, there's more of the scan. But the point still stand. It's not like I want to upload every scan into youtube and put it in here.

I never said you had to post everything, I just said to actually break it down and post what matters. It’s really not that hard to grasp.

Uuhhh... the Void?

Ohhh, really? Where’s the scan then? That’s literally what I asked you before. Why do I have to spell everything out for you? You’re the one making a bold claim about AP so yeah, the burden’s on you to drop a scan. This isn’t something you can just bluff your way through.

10%, 50%, 100%. Why are you using this kind of metrics on a literal primal idea of horror? Lucifer already said that their power comes from them being the idea of horror (a single search on youtube of Season 4 Episode 2 lead you to this), if the Void exist, even a small part of it, that idea is still enough to tear through all the realm.

Faustus said that it still have it's world-destroying power when he wants to guide Sabrina on controlling the Void. If you want the scan that badly, I can show it to you, but that would admit you have no idea, much less of watching CAOS in the first place.

Because the show literally says it’s just a fragment of the Void. Are you confused or just ignoring that fact? She never had full control or access to the Void’s full power. That’s a major point.

That would be you, I think. Note that this Ad-Hom thing first start on you.

Uh no, that was you. This whole thing started because I agreed with the thread about downgrading Sabrina. Then you came at me sideways with some passive-aggressive “did you even watch the show” nonsense. Like seriously? You don’t know me, so don’t go throwing shade like that and expect silence in return.

Yeah, how I remembered she said that in CAOS while still having the Void inside her. You think?

If something’s truly on the level of 2-A or Low 1-C, then it’s way beyond anything she could’ve ever interfered with plain and simple.

There was no such thing as retconned in CAOS or Riverdale, it's pure bad written, and PIS all over the place.

She can do the ressurection, the spell is not that complicated as Lilith already says. She just didn't want the same thing happened back in Season 1 Episode 8.

Whether the writing is bad or not is up to the studio. But what matters more is what the creators decide to put in the canon. So if there’s updated info in the newer series, that’s the new reference point. That’s just how continuity works.

I said, Sabrina in Riverdale and in CAOS have different narrative in terms of power. And it's a fact, because we don't have Sabrina running around with the Void fragments in Riverdale.

Yeah okay, we’re definitely watching shows from different universes then. Because it’s very clearly shown that Sabrina gave up the Void at the end of her series. So no it’s not weird that she doesn’t have that power anymore in Riverdale.

There's no such thing as outdated, even more less a retconned lore in CAOS or Riverdale. That would simply defeat what RAS have been writing all over the show, which is disrespecting on your part.

But uh, go ahead.

Disrespecting the writers? Nah. From what I’ve seen, they collaborated and worked toward a final decision. At the end of the day, the license owner has the final say. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

Be my guest. Lmao.

LMAO, it’s pretty obvious. In Riverdale, to even get to Heaven, you gotta travel across infinite time and space. And yeah, I’m allowed to have my own take on that it’s my opinion, and it’s valid.

You're either confuse or just dense, but I think it's the latter.

When I said "different Sabrina", I said that in terms of power. We don't have Sabrina with the Void, running around, spreading it's power in Riverdale.

Then maybe type clearer next time. Don’t blame me for being confused when your messages are all over the place.

You putting the Void's power into numerical metrics already downgrade it's power without you even knowing.

Like I said, eldritch terrors power comes from them being the idea of said horror. It doesn't matter if only the small fragments exist, what does matter is the existing idea of horror inside them.

The show itself says it’s just a fragment of the Void and even Sabrina admits it. No matter how much you try to twist it, anyone can just watch the final season and see for themselves that it’s not the full Void. Not even close.

 

[BunBun]

If you are a threat to a character, and the threat is your power, then yes, you scale. But of course it has to be consistent with you.

Nah, that’s not true at all. Being a threat ≠ automatically having the same power level.
Like, just because a character is said to be a threat to the universe doesn’t mean they can actually destroy a universe with raw power. Being a threat can mean a lot of different things like making things more difficult for the other character, messing up their plans, or being hard to deal with in general. Sometimes it’s not even direct maybe they take down a minion or ruin a setup the stronger character made. That still makes them a threat, but not necessarily equal in power. If you wanna say they’re truly on the same level, there better be a clear scan showing they’re actually above or equal to that character. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.

 

[ByArrow]

Nah, that’s not true at all. Being a threat ≠ automatically having the same power level.

I didn’t say that.

Like, just because a character is said to be a threat to the universe doesn’t mean they can actually destroy a universe with raw power. Being a threat can mean a lot of different things like making things more difficult for the other character, messing up their plans, or being hard to deal with in general. Sometimes it’s not even direct maybe they take down a minion or ruin a setup the stronger character made. That still makes them a threat, but not necessarily equal in power. If you wanna say they’re truly on the same level, there better be a clear scan showing they’re actually above or equal to that character. Otherwise, it’s just speculation.

If you pose a threat to a Low 2-C character and that threat is your raw power, then you will scale.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree with OP unless someone can show me better evidence otherwise.

 

[BunBun]

If you pose a threat to a Low 2-C character and that threat is your raw power, then you will scale.

We haven’t seen any scans that actually prove why that character should be considered Low 2-C. Nothing that clearly shows their reasoning or power level.

 

[LMalone22]

Agree with OP unless someone can show me better evidence otherwise.

thank you for responding

 

[Yoazkk6188]

I agree with this.

 

[LMalone22]

bump

 

[LMalone22]

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[LMalone22]

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[LMalone22]

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[FinePoint]

My sister is a really big fan of this show (and has literally watched it at least three times at this point), so I'm going to consult with her on the context before I comment.

 

[FinePoint]

This is what my sister told me during our discussion, and it seems to align with what I can find on Google as well:

It's not a standard attack, but as a self-destruct option it could feasibly make sense to me.

From what I gather, the problem highlighted with both this context and the scans provided is the combination of: it only being a piece, and it not actually demonstrating universe-ending power.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it as a possibly, but so far it seems like the evidence does point towards it being unlikely to end the entire universe on its own.

 

[FinePoint]

Oh, and the change to BFR makes sense to me. My sister also confirmed things can just come back.

 

[LMalone22]

I would like to thank your sister and I will count your vote to agree. Thank you for your response

 

[FentyBeauty]

i gave u my opinion abt this before so i agree

 

[Voidnether]

I agree with BunBun's argument here, she seems to make more sense to me instead of the other party. Hey, maybe this BunBun isn't as bad as the other BunBun I know that frequently downplays Honkai!!

 

[Damage3245]

OP seems fine to me.

 

[LMalone22]

OP seems fine to me.

Thank you for responding i think this OP can be applied?

 

[LMalone22]

Can someone please locked this thread