Let's downgrade Sabrina Spellman (CAOS)

[LMalone22]

TIER:

She shouldn't have a Low 2-C rating, even Possibly, as she's clearly stated that she wants the void piece removed directly from her body to Faustus because he can control it but Sabrina can't control it 100%, and she's never actually displayed the destructive properties of the void. The scan in her AP section simply states that the void is eternal only, not to mention its destruction even though the void can really destroy timeline, she only has a piece of it, so this is not proof that she can do the same thing as the void, as we have seen instability of her unstable control over her powers

ABILITIES:

should change Void Manipulation to BFR People who was sent into the void, they didn't really disappear, they are still alive, they can came back (at 0.53 second) so this doesn't really correspond to Void Manipulation, but seems more like BFR

(ACCEPTED)

AGREE: BunBun, ShiroChan56 (change abilities), Yoazkk6188, FentyBeauty, Voidnether, ActuallySpaceMan42, FinePoint, Damage3245

NEUTRAL:

DISAGREE: Jeeeeepil123

 

[BunBun]

She shouldn't have a Low 2-C rating, even Possibly, as she's clearly stated that she wants the void piece removed directly from her body, and she's never actually displayed the destructive properties of the void. The scan in her AP section simply states that the void is eternal only, not to mention its destruction even though the void can really destroy timeline, she only has a piece of it, so this is not proof that she can do the same thing as the void, as we have seen instability of her unstable control over her powers

ABILITIES:

should change Void Manipulation to BFR People who was sent into the void, they didn't really disappear, they are still alive, they can came back (at 0.53 second) so this doesn't really correspond to Void Manipulation, but seems more like BFR

AGREE:

NEUTRAL:

DISAGREE:

Totally agree. I haven’t seen anything that shows Sabrina Spellman being connected to any layers of spacetime or timelines. Meanwhile, Riverdale which exists in the same universe clearly lays out parallel worlds and the multiverse. But Sabrina? Literally nothing. Honestly, I’d place her at H 3-A or even Unknown for now until someone brings legit feats or solid reasoning to push her back up to Low 2-C, or maybe even higher. But let’s be real…I doubt that’s gonna happen. ;-;

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

You clearly doesn't understand the difference between Destructive Capacity and Attack Potency.

A character doesn't need to be shown to destroy a universe for a 3-A AP. Most, yes, need this as a qualification for that AP to exist. But, there's something called chain-scaling.

Sabrina may have not capable, or don't want to destroy the universe. But she is capable to defeat a universal threat being if given the opportunity. Even Lucifer is scared of her newfound power, and we know that his magic are potent enough to destroy one Realm atleast.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Totally agree. I haven’t seen anything that shows Sabrina Spellman being connected to any layers of spacetime or timelines. Meanwhile, Riverdale which exists in the same universe clearly lays out parallel worlds and the multiverse. But Sabrina? Literally nothing. Honestly, I’d place her at H 3-A or even Unknown for now until someone brings legit feats or solid reasoning to push her back up to Low 2-C, or maybe even higher. But let’s be real…I doubt that’s gonna happen. ;-;

There is space-time, timelines, parallel world, etc in CAOS. Are we even watching the same show?

There is a multiverse, but they didn't call it "universes" as bluntly as most fiction does, they call it worlds or realms. There's celestial realm (heaven), infernals realm (hell), mortal realm (earth), fay realm (mystical), etc. Each realm following it's own passage of time. Hell for example, have time existing in a simultaneous state here.

But, even then, it's a common knowledge that Riverdale and CAOS are connected. So when Riverdale have timelines, parallel worlds, realms in their hand, so do CAOS.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

I was planning on revising the verse, and merge it with it's comic universe. As they are, indeed connected in the multiverse, or atleast that's what RAS intention to be.

But I think we can work together on that.

 

[LMalone22]

Sabrina may have not capable, or don't want to destroy the universe. But she is capable to defeat a universal threat being if given the opportunity. Even Lucifer is scared of her newfound power, and we know that his magic are potent enough to destroy one Realm atleast.

She is a threat to universal threat being, but that doesn't mean it can put her on same tier as a universal threat being, and I'm talking about the scan on her AP page and she wanted to remove piece of the void from her body

 

[ByArrow]

She is a threat to universal threat being, but that doesn't mean it can put her on same tier as a universal threat being,

If you are a threat to a character, and the threat is your power, then yes, you scale. But of course it has to be consistent with you.

and I'm talking about the scan on her AP page and

The AP section should be rewritten to show this scaling chain.

she wanted to remove piece of the void from her body

In the wiki we create extra keys for power levels and abilities that characters only have for short periods of time. So it doesn't really matter. We just need to add a new key for Void.

 

[LMalone22]

If you are a threat to a character, and the threat is your power, then yes, you scale. But of course it has to be consistent with you.

it a piece of The Void and she can't control it and we didn't have Lucifer profile to scale yet

 

[ByArrow]

it a piece of The Void and she can't control it and we didn't have Lucifer profile to scale yet

Although she couldn't fully control it in the beginning, she could use it offensively, and she had enough control over the void to restrain it before she pulled it out of her. And even if Lucifer do not have a profile, it can be used for scaling.

Something like this could be written.

Unknown, Likely/possible Low 2-C, with a piece of The Void (She contains within her a piece of The Void, which has destroyed many universes and cosmoses. Given the opportunity, she capable to defeat beings that are a universal threat. And even Lucifer, powerful enough to destroy at least a Realm, was frightened by Sabrina's new power and fled.)

Of course, we need to add scans to this.

 

[LMalone22]

Although she couldn't fully control it in the beginning, she could use it offensively, and she had enough control over the void to restrain it before she pulled it out of her. And even if Lucifer do not have a profile, it can be used for scaling.

As I said in section 2, it shouldn't even be void manipulation

 

[BunBun]

There is space-time, timelines, parallel world, etc in CAOS. Are we even watching the same show?

There is a multiverse, but they didn't call it "universes" as bluntly as most fiction does, they call it worlds or realms. There's celestial realm (heaven), infernals realm (hell), mortal realm (earth), fay realm (mystical), etc. Each realm following it's own passage of time. Hell for example, have time existing in a simultaneous state here.

But, even then, it's a common knowledge that Riverdale and CAOS are connected. So when Riverdale have timelines, parallel worlds, realms in their hand, so do CAOS.

Where exactly did she destroy an entire realm or even more than one? Just because she beat someone who’s supposedly on that level doesn’t mean she’s scaling to that level herself. Who exactly did she beat that proves she’s got realm-busting feats? From what I know, Riverdale explained the afterlife (Heaven) as a place you travel to by going through space and time. But in CAOS, where did she destroy Heaven? Those “pathways” maybe? And you do realize the cosmology from Riverdale puts that structure closer to Low 1-C, right? That doesn’t line up with anything Sabrina has shown or done. Riverdale lays that out clearly so what about Sabrina? If she’s really that powerful, why wasn’t she the one who stopped the comet that was about to wipe out all of humanity? Why was it Tabitha Tate who did that instead? And one last thing are we even watching the same show, or talking about the same continuity? Because on VS Wiki, her Low 2-C rating is based on the box being a universe item, not her actual magic. But you’re out here hyping up her magic like it did all that.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

She is a threat to universal threat being, but that doesn't mean it can put her on same tier as a universal threat being

Yes it does? Eldritch Terrors have enough power to tear through all the realms. It doesn't matter if only part of the Void is in Sabrina, because it's still an Eldritch Terror, it's power come from their state as an idea of horror.

I'm talking about the scan on her AP page and she wanted to remove piece of the void from her body

Key exist for a purpose. It doesn't matter if the power is only for a short period of time, if it scales and the character have uses for it in a battle scenario, it's okay to make another key tier for it.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Where exactly did she destroy an entire realm or even more than one?

The show doesn't need to show everything that she can indeed do just that. What matters is the power inside of her that is capable of doing it in the first place. As I said before this very reply, Eldritch Terrors have enough power to tear through all the realms, their very power comes from them being an idea of a horror.

This is the Void we're talking about. Of the Uninvited have the potential of destroying the realms, why not a portion of the Void who is clearly much more superior than the Uninvited? Heck, all of the Eldritch Terrors.

Just because she beat someone who’s supposedly on that level doesn’t mean she’s scaling to that level herself.

Yes she does.

Who exactly did she beat that proves she’s got realm-busting feats?

As I said above and earlier before this reply.

From what I know, Riverdale explained the afterlife (Heaven) as a place you travel to by going through space and time. But in CAOS, where did she destroy Heaven? Those “pathways” maybe?

They're basically the same thing. You know, it irks me that those question comes from an Archieverse fans. I'm seriously going to think that you don't even pay attention, or even watch the same show as we did.

“Different word for the same place.”
- Mambo Marie (yes, I know her REAL identities, just doesn't want to spoiler in case you actually don't watch the show, anyway).

Those “pathways” maybe? And you do realize the cosmology from Riverdale puts that structure closer to Low 1-C, right? That doesn’t line up with anything Sabrina has shown or done.

There is no such thing as close to Low 1-C. In fact, there is no such thing as Low 1-C Riverdale

If she’s really that powerful, why wasn’t she the one who stopped the comet that was about to wipe out all of humanity?

Different shows, different Sabrina, what else do I need to mention? The spotlight is for the characters in Riverdale, not Sabrina. I guess if it were to appear in CAOS, she would do it herself.

This question is really funny, seriously. If you argue that those comets are more stronger than any events in CAOS, then why is there no Rivderdale characters preventing the Pagans God in destroying the Earth? Stop with the silly question this instant, please.

Because on VS Wiki, her Low 2-C rating is based on the box being a universe item, not her actual magic. But you’re out here hyping up her magic like it did all that.

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Seriously, what are you talking about?

 

[BunBun]

The show doesn't need to show everything that she can indeed do just that. What matters is the power inside of her that is capable of doing it in the first place. As I said before this very reply, Eldritch Terrors have enough power to tear through all the realms, their very power comes from them being an idea of a horror.

This is the Void we're talking about. Of the Uninvited have the potential of destroying the realms, why not a portion of the Void who is clearly much more superior than the Uninvited? Heck, all of the Eldritch Terrors.

We didn’t ask you to go off on some poetic ramble. What we did ask for was clear: drop the scans not just your text walls and interpretations. You can’t just say “she destroyed a realm” and expect that to automatically mean something huge. What’s the lore explanation for those realms? Are you just gonna gloss over that because it doesn’t support your point? Destroying a realm isn’t about what it looks like, it’s about what it actually represents the narrative weight, the scale, the mechanics. That’s why scans exist: to back up your claims, not to expect everyone to take your word for it. If you don’t want to provide scans, that’s your call. But in that case, maybe just bow out of the discussion, because the OP already provided scans for their side. Simple as that.

Yes she does.

And what I meant is that there are tons of factors in play like if it was done through a loophole or if it was a direct overpowering feat. Just because someone wins a fight doesn’t automatically mean they’re stronger movies and shows pull that twist all the time. So unless you can show us scans that clearly prove she’s more powerful than what she defeated, it’s just your headcanon, not fact.

As I said above and earlier before this reply.

Wait, did you seriously just reply to my question…with another question? Really?

They're basically the same thing. You know, it irks me that those question comes from an Archieverse fans. I'm seriously going to think that you don't even pay attention, or even watch the same show as we did.

“Different word for the same place.”
- Mambo Marie (yes, I know her REAL identities, just doesn't want to spoiler in case you actually don't watch the show, anyway).

Oh please, Sabrina literally went to Heaven in the show and she straight up says she can’t interfere or control it. It’s up to the dead themselves. Not even she can override the rules of the afterlife (aka Heaven). So how exactly is she supposed to destroy it? Also, she literally said the only person with the potential to pull off something like that is Cheryl Blossom, because she’s using Phoenix Magic and that’s rare and unique. Not Sabrina. So now I’m seriously wondering…did we even watch the same show? Or are you out here in a whole different Archieverse timeline?

Anyway, instead of getting pressed, maybe go gather some actual scans and come back with a better argument.

There is no such thing as close to Low 1-C. In fact, there is no such thing as Low 1-C Riverdale

How can you even say it doesn’t exist when we literally just discussed that Riverdale explicitly explains Heaven as something you reach by traveling through space and time? And in Season 6, the cosmology lays it out clearly: parallel universes exist, with mirrored structures, time vortexes, etc. The difference is that the Greendale/Rivervale one is full of horror and madness, unlike the main Riverdale world. And those two were tearing into each other through reality rifts.

Then in Season 7, Tabitha literally says that after jumping through different timelines and fixing paradoxes, there are infinite branching timelines and universes that keep spawning over and over. She even sends her friends (likely including the Greendale gang) back to 1950 to survive after the comet event wiped out all life in the future and yes, that includes Sabrina too. But hey, this isn’t even the main point. I’m gonna make a separate post about that whole multiversal stuff later, so you can just skip this for now if you want.

Different shows, different Sabrina, what else do I need to mention? The spotlight is for the characters in Riverdale, not Sabrina. I guess if it were to appear in CAOS, she would do it herself.

This question is really funny, seriously. If you argue that those comets are more stronger than any events in CAOS, then why is there no Rivderdale characters preventing the Pagans God in destroying the Earth? Stop with the silly question this instant, please.

Wow. That was straight up nonsense. Now I’m convinced you’re still stuck on old info and completely missed the latest updates from Riverdale’s final seasons. The comet wasn’t just another disaster it was an extinction-level event. No one survived. Are you really suggesting that this ultra-powerful Sabrina of yours just sat back and let herself die? Or what, she chose to die? Nah. That whole event took place after she gave up the Void, which proves that her base magical power wasn’t enough to stop the comet. But Tabitha, a literal Guardian Angel-Goddess, did fix it all. And by the way, while you’re busy fanboying over Hell Lords, you seem to have completely ignored the celestial hierarchy Riverdale introduced beings so divine that even looking at their true forms would drive mortals insane or blind them. We’re past demons now. We’re dealing with literal god-tier entities.

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Bro…are you even following your own argument? This whole thread is about downgrading Sabrina from Low 2-C because it was the Void that had that scale, not her regular magic. But here you are hyping her spells like they’re Low 2-C by themselves. Like, what even is this logic?

I honestly don’t know how I’m supposed to feel about your responses anymore laugh or cry

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

We didn’t ask you to go off on some poetic ramble. What we did ask for was clear: drop the scans not just your text walls and interpretations. You can’t just say “she destroyed a realm” and expect that to automatically mean something huge. What’s the lore explanation for those realms? Are you just gonna gloss over that because it doesn’t support your point? Destroying a realm isn’t about what it looks like, it’s about what it actually represents the narrative weight, the scale, the mechanics. That’s why scans exist: to back up your claims, not to expect everyone to take your word for it. If you don’t want to provide scans, that’s your call. But in that case, maybe just bow out of the discussion, because the OP already provi

The fact that this is used as a counter-argument, and coming from Archie fans is honestly very sad. This also supporting my claim that you, are in fact, didn't even watch CAOS in the first place.

But alright.
Most of the material feats you can see on the wiki, heck, the first 2 season already implicates these realms being space-time. It takes literally some little attention span, unless you got none.

Hell have it's own time being simultaneous, and there are indeed timelines in show.

And what I meant is that there are tons of factors in play like if it was done through a loophole or if it was a direct overpowering feat. Just because someone wins a fight doesn’t automatically mean they’re stronger movies and shows pull that twist all the time. So unless you can show us scans that clearly prove she’s more powerful than what she defeated, it’s just your headcanon, not fact.

It's a direct overpowering, Sabrina is literally a threat after the Void takes possession in her body. Whether or not she has those feats, but the Void. If the Void is capable of doing the afromentioned, Sabrina, as it's physical avatar, should do the same as she literally wield their power. It's not that complicated to understand, unless you're new in here.

Wait, did you seriously just reply to my question…with another question? Really?

Are you really this dense?

Oh please, Sabrina literally went to Heaven in the show and she straight up says she can’t interfere or control it.

Oh wow I remembered when she said that in CAOS, yeah, wow. No.

Not even she can override the rules of the afterlife (aka Heaven).

She erases them. During Tommy's ressurection. Ambrose said so.

Also, she literally said the only person with the potential to pull off something like that is Cheryl Blossom

Literally different Sabrina.

Anyway, instead of getting pressed, maybe go gather some actual scans and come back with a better argument.

The only one who talks blabber here is you.

How can you even say it doesn’t exist when we literally just discussed that Riverdale explicitly explains Heaven as something you reach by traveling through space and time? And in Season 6, the cosmology lays it out clearly: parallel universes exist, with mirrored structures, time vortexes, etc. The difference is that the Greendale/Rivervale one is full of horror and madness, unlike the main Riverdale world. And those two were tearing into each other through reality rifts.

Then in Season 7, Tabitha literally says that after jumping through different timelines and fixing paradoxes, there are infinite branching timelines and universes that keep spawning over and over. She even sends her friends (likely including the Greendale gang) back to 1950 to survive after the comet event wiped out all life in the future and yes, that includes Sabrina too. But hey, this isn’t even the main point. I’m gonna make a separate post about that whole multiversal stuff later, so you can just skip this for now if you want.

That's 2-A. Even Sabrina comics have the same kind of statement (before you say anything, Live Action is one of the universe inside this multiverse).

But hey, if you're gonna wank that to Low 1-C, be my guest lol. I wanna see the contradiction with current Archie cosmology we got with Sonic.

Wow. That was straight up nonsense. Now I’m convinced you’re still stuck on old info and completely missed the latest updates from Riverdale’s final seasons. The comet wasn’t just another disaster it was an extinction-level event. No one survived. Are you really suggesting that this ultra-powerful Sabrina of yours just sat back and let herself die? Or what, she chose to die? Nah. That whole event took place after she gave up the Void, which proves that her base magical power wasn’t enough to stop the comet. But Tabitha, a literal Guardian Angel-Goddess, did fix it all. And by the way, while you’re busy fanboying over Hell Lords, you seem to have completely ignored the celestial hierarchy Riverdale introduced beings so divine that even looking at their true forms would drive mortals insane or blind them. We’re past demons now. We’re dealing with literal god-tier entities.

So does the Pagans incident? What are you talking about
This is why your logic is faulty, because with the same reasoning, your arguments fell apart that quickly. I literally bring Pagans incident to do just that.

In CAOS, not even Metatron, who is a sister to Lucifer (right or left hand, or highest in the throne of God, I forgot) is not capable on taking care of the Cosmos herself. The Cosmos is literally weaker than The Void.

Hence why I said it's a different Sabrina, btw. Sabrina in Season 4 is literally wielding The Void's power, in Riverdale? She doesn't. I can't believe you're this dense. The former point still stand too. Sabrina is not the spotlight in Riverdale.

Bro…are you even following your own argument? This whole thread is about downgrading Sabrina from Low 2-C because it was the Void that had that scale, not her regular magic. But here you are hyping her spells like they’re Low 2-C by themselves. Like, what even is this logic?

I honestly don’t know how I’m supposed to feel about your responses anymore laugh or cry

The OP literally stated that she should not have Low 2-C much so 2-C just because she's wielding The Void's power. Are we downgrading The Void now or what?

The fact that you think I'm arguing her base magic should be Low 2-C already tells me that your attention span is low.

 

[LMalone22]

The OP literally stated that she should not have Low 2-C much so 2-C just because she's wielding The Void's power. Are we downgrading The Void now or what?

There's no reason to downgrade the void, I'm just going to downgrade Sabrina because what she's really using in battle is BFR, not void manipulation She never actually destroyed or made it disappear into nothingness, so it's not the same feature as the void, which is ready to destroy the entire universe and timeline until there's nothingness

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

There's no reason to downgrade the void, I'm just going to downgrade Sabrina because what she's really using in battle is BFR, not void manipulation She never actually destroyed or made it disappear into nothingness, so it's not the same feature as the void, which is ready to destroy the entire universe and timeline until there's nothingness

It's an actual erasure, but once you get erased, you are becoming a part of this “eraser.” That was the point for universe, realm, or planet-like looking in the Void.

After the Void “erase” a universe, that said universe became... nothing. Practically becoming one with the Void.

Problem of expression. I couldn't said it better, but that's what my mind can think of in the matter.

 

[LMalone22]

It's an actual erasure,

Then why is everyone she's attacked can back? You really need to explain this and have scan. You can't say it's an outlier since she stated she was aware of everything she BFR in her body

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Then why is everyone she's attacked can

That's many of the inconsistency in season 4 (no wonder it's said to be the most bad written season in CAOS). I don't really have concrete explanation for this on the show aside from my own explanation above.

You can't say it's an outlier since she stated she was aware of everything she BFR in her body

Well, there's something called PIS. I guess this can be use within this context.

Because like I said, the Void is all-consuming and erasing repeatedly in the show. The fact that there's an actual universe inside the Void after it was erased, lead to the conclusion that once they get erased, they are “erased” and is/are in a state of the Void-self.

It's a huge inconsistency if you think about it actually. In the grand narrative of the show, I have no actual explanation as to why that happened.

 

[BunBun]

The fact that this is used as a counter-argument, and coming from Archie fans is honestly very sad. This also supporting my claim that you, are in fact, didn't even watch CAOS in the first place.

But alright.
Most of the material feats you can see on the wiki, heck, the first 2 season already implicates these realms being space-time. It takes literally some little attention span, unless you got none.

Hell have it's own time being simultaneous, and there are indeed timelines in show.

Wow, sounds like someone just recently got access to Netflix and thinks they’re the only one with internet on the planet. Look people forget stuff, especially with a series that long and packed with lore. That’s normal. But the stuff you pointed out? It’s not the only thing that matters. Do I really need to keep reminding you when to drop scans and when not to? You’re not that short on attention, right? Leave the ADHD rep to me, thanks. And where exactly is your scan and explanation showing that the character you mentioned destroyed a realm that literally contains all of time? I’m not saying it’s totally false (yet), because Riverdale did retcon some of the older definitions about time and the realms. That place isn’t exactly the “center of all time” anymore, and I’ll save that for my own thread in the future. Right now, I’m just here backing up what OP already laid out perfectly well.

It's a direct overpowering, Sabrina is literally a threat after the Void takes possession in her body. Whether or not she has those feats, but the Void. If the Void is capable of doing the afromentioned, Sabrina, as it's physical avatar, should do the same as she literally wield their power. It's not that complicated to understand, unless you're new in here.

Oh please, Sabrina never controlled The Void 100%. She only had a fraction of its essence. That’s why I’m seriously confused about how you’re claiming she should scale to the Void’s full power. Like…what?

Are you really this dense?

You alright? Genuinely wondering if you’re struggling with emotional regulation over there.

Oh wow I remembered when she said that in CAOS, yeah, wow. No.

What do you mean not what I think? She literally said it herself in the afterlife, she can’t control people’s choices. And guess what? The one who actually broke those rules and brought people back through time and space was Cheryl Blossom, not Sabrina.

She erases them. During Tommy's ressurection. Ambrose said so.

Nope. We’re not gonna use outdated info that was already retconned in universe. Sabrina couldn’t bring Nick back because that would’ve broken the rules of Hell. Even she said doing so would cause the reapers to come after them.

Literally different Sabrina.

Wait wait…are you seriously trying to say that the “real” Sabrina lives in Rivervale, not Riverdale? LMAO that’s hilarious. Especially when CAOS explicitly mentions Riverdale by name

The only one who talks blabber here is you.

Only someone with low EQ would cling to outdated, pre retcon lore and call it truth. That’s what we call delusional, my guy.

That's 2-A. Even Sabrina comics have the same kind of statement (before you say anything, Live Action is one of the universe inside this multiverse).

But hey, if you're gonna wank that to Low 1-C, be my guest lol. I wanna see the contradiction with current Archie cosmology we got with Sonic.

2-A is like the baseline tier for multiverse explanations in Riverdale lmao. You can cope about it all you want, but once I make my own post, let’s see how you squirm trying to push outdated info into a new canon that already fixed itself. I’ll laugh, honestly.

So does the Pagans incident? What are you talking about
This is why your logic is faulty, because with the same reasoning, your arguments fell apart that quickly. I literally bring Pagans incident to do just that.

In CAOS, not even Metatron, who is a sister to Lucifer (right or left hand, or highest in the throne of God, I forgot) is not capable on taking care of the Cosmos herself. The Cosmos is literally weaker than The Void.

Hence why I said it's a different Sabrina, btw. Sabrina in Season 4 is literally wielding The Void's power, in Riverdale? She doesn't. I can't believe you're this dense. The former point still stand too. Sabrina is not the spotlight in Riverdale.

You’re literally delusional at this point. The version of Sabrina that shows up in Riverdale is post-Void sacrifice. She even talks about her recently dead boyfriend. And she literally explains her current role, which lines up perfectly with CAOS’s ending. Like bruh, it’s not even that deep it’s just continuity. You acting like it’s some mystery is just hilarious

The OP literally stated that she should not have Low 2-C much so 2-C just because she's wielding The Void's power. Are we downgrading The Void now or what?

The fact that you think I'm arguing her base magic should be Low 2-C already tells me that your attention span is low.

I completely agree with OP we’re talking about downgrading Sabrina, not the Void. You really need to understand: she never had full control over the Void’s nature. You can’t just scale her to its peak potential when she only held a tiny fragment of it. That’s not how it works.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Wow, sounds like someone just recently got access to Netflix and thinks they’re the only one with internet on the planet. Look people forget stuff, especially with a series that long and packed with lore.

That was like, important role. It's normal for me to say that you didn't watch the show, because what you just kept saying is literally a contradiction of what IN the show.

But the stuff you pointed out? It’s not the only thing that matters.

I know, there's more of the scan. But the point still stand. It's not like I want to upload every scan into youtube and put it in here.

And where exactly is your scan and explanation showing that the character you mentioned destroyed a realm that literally contains all of time?

Uuhhh... the Void?

Oh please, Sabrina never controlled The Void 100%. She only had a fraction of its essence. That’s why I’m seriously confused about how you’re claiming she should scale to the Void’s full power. Like…what?

10%, 50%, 100%. Why are you using this kind of metrics on a literal primal idea of horror? Lucifer already said that their power comes from them being the idea of horror (a single search on youtube of Season 4 Episode 2 lead you to this), if the Void exist, even a small part of it, that idea is still enough to tear through all the realm.

Faustus said that it still have it's world-destroying power when he wants to guide Sabrina on controlling the Void. If you want the scan that badly, I can show it to you, but that would admit you have no idea, much less of watching CAOS in the first place.

You alright? Genuinely wondering if you’re struggling with emotional regulation over there.

That would be you, I think. Note that this Ad-Hom thing first start on you.

What do you mean not what I think? She literally said it herself in the afterlife, she can’t control people’s choices. And guess what? The one who actually broke those rules and brought people back through time and space was Cheryl Blossom, not Sabrina.

Yeah, how I remembered she said that in CAOS while still having the Void inside her. You think?

Nope. We’re not gonna use outdated info that was already retconned in universe. Sabrina couldn’t bring Nick back because that would’ve broken the rules of Hell. Even she said doing so would cause the reapers to come after them.

There was no such thing as retconned in CAOS or Riverdale, it's pure bad written, and PIS all over the place.

She can do the ressurection, the spell is not that complicated as Lilith already says. She just didn't want the same thing happened back in Season 1 Episode 8.

Wait wait…are you seriously trying to say that the “real” Sabrina lives in Rivervale, not Riverdale? LMAO that’s hilarious. Especially when CAOS explicitly mentions Riverdale by name

I said, Sabrina in Riverdale and in CAOS have different narrative in terms of power. And it's a fact, because we don't have Sabrina running around with the Void fragments in Riverdale.

Only someone with low EQ would cling to outdated, pre retcon lore and call it truth. That’s what we call delusional, my guy.

There's no such thing as outdated, even more less a retconned lore in CAOS or Riverdale. That would simply defeat what RAS have been writing all over the show, which is disrespecting on your part.

But uh, go ahead.

2-A is like the baseline tier for multiverse explanations in Riverdale lmao. You can cope about it all you want, but once I make my own post, let’s see how you squirm trying to push outdated info into a new canon that already fixed itself. I’ll laugh, honestly.

Be my guest. Lmao.

You’re literally delusional at this point. The version of Sabrina that shows up in Riverdale is post-Void sacrifice. She even talks about her recently dead boyfriend. And she literally explains her current role, which lines up perfectly with CAOS’s ending. Like bruh, it’s not even that deep it’s just continuity. You acting like it’s some mystery is just hilarious

You're either confuse or just dense, but I think it's the latter.

When I said "different Sabrina", I said that in terms of power. We don't have Sabrina with the Void, running around, spreading it's power in Riverdale.

I completely agree with OP we’re talking about downgrading Sabrina, not the Void. You really need to understand: she never had full control over the Void’s nature. You can’t just scale her to its peak potential when she only held a tiny fragment of it. That’s not how it works.

You putting the Void's power into numerical metrics already downgrade it's power without you even knowing.

Like I said, eldritch terrors power comes from them being the idea of said horror. It doesn't matter if only the small fragments exist, what does matter is the existing idea of horror inside them.

 

[LMalone22]

That's many of the inconsistency in season 4 (no wonder it's said to be the most bad written season in CAOS). I don't really have concrete explanation for this on the show aside from my own explanation above.

I didn't need an excuse for whether writing is good or bad. I need a solid reason. If you can't explain it, then I don't need a reason to agree with you because even you don't have any arguments about that

 

[ShiroChan56]

I agree, just change to abilities.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

I didn't need an excuse for whether writing is good or bad. I need a solid reason. If you can't explain it, then I don't need a reason to agree with you because even you don't have any arguments about that

I need to remind you that there are PIS page and Inconsistencies page in this wiki. So, yes, good and bad the writing of this show does matter in this context.

 

[LMalone22]

I need to remind you that there are PIS page in this wiki. So, yes, good and bad the writing of this show does matter in this context.

It's not PIS as long as it has a description to add weight to the character actions, so PIS can't be used with that feats

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

It's not PIS as long as it has a description to add weight to the character actions, so PIS can't be used with that feats

What description? The fact that the Void only has Existence Erasure or Void Manipulation instead of BFR is an example of PIS and Inconsistency.

The Void's power is erasing, making things end. Not teleporting them away. When the show did this, it's just to make the plot more intriguing, because there's conflict but also a solution to the conflict (They should be erased entirely, but for the sake of the plot, let's just say they're still alive... in the Void).

There's something called Inconsistencies page.

 

[LMalone22]

What description?

She can't control it 100% and can't access its abilities 100%, that's why she needs another character to stab her in order to let the void piece flow to the portal, and she needs to use Pandora's Box to absorb the void, all for the simplest reasons

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

She can't control it 100

With guidance and training, she can.

can't access its abilities 100%

Nowhere did the show stated this. In fact, Faustus said that it's power is still world-devouring.

and she needs to use Pandora's Box to absorb the void

Inconsistency.

 

[LMalone22]

With guidance and training, she can.

still no for me

Nowhere did the show stated this. In fact, Faustus said that it's power is still world-devouring.

His seems to be talking about its properties or its nickname, he doesn't directly say that it is devouring world

Inconsistency.

nope

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

still no for me

Uh, actually, that would defeat your point that she can't control it 100%. Basically, you just did appeal to faith.

His seems to be talking about its properties or its nickname, he doesn't directly say that it is devouring world

On what basis? I used occam's razor, that the simplest conclusion is that he is being literal. Especially Faustus, oh, he means every word he said. The fact that he use the word "power" in that sentence proves my claim.

You on the other hand, what basis are you using? Faith? Ignorance?

nope

I can't argue with ignorant people in that case. Good day to you, lol.

 

[LMalone22]

You have no right to curse at others or make others feel uncomfortable. I will inform the staff. If you still use impolite words, it shows your insufficient upbringing you seem to be refusing to accept what other people are saying about her not really having control over it, you are trying to push that she does but in reality, she couldn't control it. If she could control it, she wouldn't have to sacrifice, just bring everyone out of the void, and she wouldn't even need anyone to help her

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

It's funny how you ask for more scan, more proof and reject my argumentation because I don't bring scan. But when I gave one of the most direct one, you use belief or Faith as your argumentation.

It's hypocritical, really.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

You have no right to curse at others or make others feel uncomfortable. I will inform the staff.

Nowhere did I curse at you. It is a simplest truth that you are, indeed, being ignorant. Despite what I've said, and the scan said, you still bring this “nope” and “bring scan” as if to mock my argument. Clearly if we're talking about who's more rude in this scenario, it's you.

she couldn't control it

Faustus statement refuted this. Seriously, he already said she can.

If she could control it, she wouldn't have to sacrifice

Because Faustus want her to sacrifice so he could take the Void's power his own? Uh, I don't know? Maybe, watch the show? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. You're missing the plot, big time.

 

[LMalone22]

Because Faustus want her to sacrifice so he could take the Void's power his own? Uh, I don't know? Maybe, watch the show? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. You're missing the plot, big time.

Yes, because she couldn't control it, she gave it to Faustus because he knew how to control it differently than she did. That's a simple fact

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

is a simplest truth that you are, indeed, being ignorant

The fact that you ignore all my arguments, and use this "Oh you being toxic" plus being circular to defend yourself proves my claim.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Yes, because she couldn't control it, she gave it to Faustus because he knew how to control it differently than she did. That's a simple fact

She could control it, what do you think happened before the ritual? Sabrina having fun? She's mastering it in order to not mess the ritual, that's part of a control.

Heck, when she use the Void's power on Lucifer's army, that's a control she did on her own.

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Anyway, it's not even about the control. It's what's inside of her. Which Faustus said is still world-devouring in power (of which I need to remind you, that you still can't deny this given with no evidence and belief/faith-based argumentation).

Like @ByArrow said above, if the power within her has that capacity, then, she, wielding it's power should have the same degree of capacity.

 

[LMalone22]

She could control it, what do you think happened before the ritual? Sabrina having fun? She's mastering it in order to not mess the ritual, that's part of a control.

That's why I said she can't control it 100% Are you confused about something?

Heck, when she use the Void's power on Lucifer's army, that's a control she did on her own.

Just BFR

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

That's why I said she can't control it 100% Are you confused about something?

Anyway, it's not even about the control. It's what's inside of her. Which Faustus said is still world-devouring in power (of which I need to remind you, that you still can't deny this given with no evidence and belief/faith-based argumentation).

Like @ByArrow said above, if the power within her has that capacity, then, she, wielding it's power should have the same degree of capacity.

Like I said above.

Just BFR

That's a control feats. Why are you saying BFR all of a sudden.

 

[LMalone22]

Anyway, it's not even about the control. It's what's inside of her. Which Faustus said is still world-devouring in power (of which I need to remind you, that you still can't deny this given with no evidence and belief/faith-based argumentation).

5-B at least if you said world devouring