Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru’s year charge calc [Staff Votes Needed]

[EldemadeDityjon]

With max output, it’s stated to be a touch below, don’t **** with jjk fans we don’t read the manga. Yuta quite literally punches through weaker granite blasts too so he’d scale to the recalc of granite blast too in reinforcement. Which gets to MCB iirc

He didn't punched through. He used both of his hands and tanked it. Later we see his single hand when he tried same thing getting cooked.
Also when Ryu was serious he can deliver punches where even fully unleashed power of Rika can't tank it.
We don't know the casual output GB value which Yuta tanked so can we stop acting like it's above Uraumes feat.

He says “because it’s my own CE it affects me less” nothing implies it’s to do with him specifically

There are cases like Yuji and Sukuna with same CE with zero statement for both of them having less damage thanks to that.

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Also first time Yuta punch granite blast he deflected it and second time his hand burns to crisp and he lost half of his finger.

 

[Electronic74947]

He didn't punched through. He used both of his hands and tanked it. Later we see his single hand when he tried same thing getting cooked.

He still was strong enough to deflect a granite blast with sheer reinforcement alone

Also iirc Yuta himself was holding back not to kill them too

Also when Ryu was serious he can deliver punches where even fully unleashed power of Rika can't tank it.
We don't know the casual output GB value which Yuta tanked so can we stop acting like it's above Uraumes feat.

I literally said to scale Yuta’s physicals to the new casual granite blast calc which is MCB can jjk fans please read something for once.

I said Yuta’s max output downscales slightly from the full output granite blast not his normal reinforcement should scale to it

There are cases like Yuji and Sukuna with same CE with zero statement for both of them having less damage thanks to that.

They don’t have the same CE where are you getting that from? They have shrine not the same CE.

 

[Electronic74947]

Why would that two granites blast scale with each other when one have time to charge as sneak attack and other is blast on changing enemy in rush of battle

SCALE TO THE RECALC OF GRANITE BLAST NOT THE FULL OUTPUT RAHHHHH

ITS ONLY MCB WHY YOU ACTING LIKE IM SAYING ITS CITY LEVEL OR SMTHN

(Hell iirc Yuta survived it with minimal injuries)

 

[NARONG_SUVAN]

Don’t know if scaling discussion allow here but whatever

Kusakabe w Simple Domain

Below Nanami/MeiMei in raw power no way he got to scale to special grade output.

Shinjuku Higuruma

Sorry but what feat does he have to be here he’s physically doesn’t do anything on special grade level his current profile say that he’s super talented in curse energy reinforcing but he’s comparing to Kusakabe (guys with years of experience) and Yuji (guys that copied the guys with years of experience)


Also base physically is importance too in reinforcement and no matter how talented Higuruma is a lawyer wouldn’t have physical strength comparable to a swordsman who has been exercising for years and that would make his physical inferior.

Miguel

Yuji level physically doesn’t mean he have special grade output/AP gojo that he fight also can’t use curse technique meaning his output is lower than normal.

Kurourushi

That thing that almost one shot by weakened ryu blast that can’t kill weakened Uro? no way scale to special grade output

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

They don’t have the same CE where are you getting that from? They have shrine not the same CE.

I think they're referring to the statement that Yuji is soaked in Sukuna's cursed energy. I don't think that would really apply here since Sukuna himself doesn't treat it as though that's a reason as to why Yuji is able to tank his attacks though.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He still was strong enough to deflect a granite blast with sheer reinforcement alone

We visibly see him coughing blood from shoulder tackle

Literally got his hand cooked by GB which you ignored and posted the only scan you wanted above.

Also iirc Yuta himself was holding back not to kill them too

Headcanon & it don't matter here, especially since we have a clear statement that Ryu has higher output. The idea that he was possibly holding back is just a headcanon from his fans and means nothing in this context. He was getting dominated by Ryu, and if it weren't for Uro's Cursed Technique that he got through luck, he would have died.

I literally said to scale Yuta’s physicals to the new casual granite blast calc which is MCB can jjk fans please read something for once.

I'm not interested in dealing with your attitude, especially when none of my initial or previous comments ever mentioned anything about your scaling chain or the calculated GB.

I said Yuta’s max output downscales slightly from the full output granite blast not his normal reinforcement should scale to it

Narrative didn't say his reinforcements are weaker than GB. It's outright says it's about energy Blast nor did I mentioned a anything like you claimed it.

They don’t have the same CE where are you getting that from? They have shrine not the same CE.

can jjk fans please read something for once.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think they're referring to the statement that Yuji is soaked in Sukuna's cursed energy. I don't think that would really apply here since Sukuna himself doesn't treat it as though that's a reason as to why Yuji is able to tank his attacks though.

The same applies to Ryu when he tanked GB—he never said anything about the damage being reduced due to using the same CE. Not to mention, Gojo's statement is kind of dumb or doesn't even make sense. First of all, HP is something created using a CT. Unless it's a pure Cursed Energy-based explosion, it doesn't really make sense for the damage to be reduced just because the user has the same type of energy.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Headcanon & it don't matter here, especially since we have a clear statement that Ryu has higher output. The idea that he was possibly holding back is just a headcanon from his fans and means nothing in this context. He was getting dominated by Ryu, and if it weren't for Uro's Cursed Technique that he got through luck, he would have died.

Also iirc Yuta himself was holding back not to kill them too

It wasn't that he was holding himself back to not kill them, it's that he didn't kill them after they'd been defeated because he could just ask them for their points. Killing them would've been a waste due to the new rule as instead of getting their hundreds of points he would've just gotten 5 from each. Ryu also brings it up asking if it was the only reason he hadn't killed them and Yuta said it was possible.

Narrative didn't say his reinforcements are weaker than GB. It's outright says it's about energy Blast nor did I mentioned a anything like you claimed it.

I mean, I wouldn't really take that to say that his reinforcement is comparable to a granite blast when it's specifically saying such a high-power blast that's weaker than GB needs Rika to power it. I may just be misinterpreting what you're saying cause honestly I'm not even sure what you two are arguing about but yeah.

The same applies to Ryu when he tanked GB—he never said anything about the damage being reduced due to using the same CE. Not to mention, Gojo's statement is kind of dumb or doesn't even make sense. First of all, HP is something created using a CT. Unless it's a pure Cursed Energy-based explosion, it doesn't really make sense for the damage to be reduced just because the user has the same type of energy.

The Gojo thing is kind of weird cause even he doesn't really know why he took less damage and he said it maybe why. Even then based on the panel he still did take a decent amount of damage. Hell half his face was burned up.

 

[Electronic74947]

We visibly see him coughing blood from shoulder tackle

Literally got his hand cooked by GB which you ignored and posted the only scan you wanted above.

Shocker, Yuta couldn't tank ryu's higher output attack, thats why he shouldn't scale in reinforcements I don't get why your trying to argue with me on something I've already said?

Headcanon & it don't matter here, especially since we have a clear statement that Ryu has higher output. The idea that he was possibly holding back is just a headcanon from his fans and means nothing in this context. He was getting dominated by Ryu, and if it weren't for Uro's Cursed Technique that he got through luck, he would have died.

ryu himself said yuta chose not to kill them because of the 10th rule

I'm not interested in dealing with your attitude, especially when none of my initial or previous comments ever mentioned anything about your scaling chain or the calculated GB.

Then why respond to my comment about that, do you see the issue? You replied to

With max output, it’s stated to be a touch below, don’t **** with jjk fans we don’t read the manga.

With MAX output. Not anything else

Yuta quite literally punches through weaker granite blasts too so he’d scale to the recalc of granite blast too in reinforcement. Which gets to MCB iirc

This is supposed to be a seperate comment hence why i bring up MCB

Narrative didn't say his reinforcements are weaker than GB. It's outright says it's about energy Blast nor did I mentioned a anything like you claimed it.

I'm specifically talking about reinforcements, I mentioned this and reinforcement and max output in my original comment as 2 seperate things

It doesn't say he has the exact same CE tho, just he was soaked in sukuna's CE which doesn't mean he has the same exact CE as him, doesn't help he generates his own CE too otherwise he'd not be able to grow stronger

 

[DarkRuler234]

I agree, this is everything I will say since I don't want to be involved in this war zone.

 

[Electronic74947]

It wasn't that he was holding himself back to not kill them, it's that he didn't kill them after they'd been defeated because he could just ask them for their points. Killing them would've been a waste due to the new rule as instead of getting their hundreds of points he would've just gotten 5 from each. Ryu also brings it up asking if it was the only reason he hadn't killed them and Yuta said it was possible.

Ah kk thats fair

I mean, I wouldn't really take that to say that his reinforcement is comparable to a granite blast when it's specifically saying such a high-power blast that's weaker than GB needs Rika to power it. I may just be misinterpreting what you're saying cause honestly I'm not even sure what you two are arguing about but yeah.

thats what im confused about, i said he doesn't scale to max output with reinforcement, just the MCB recalc but they keep posting scans for why he shouldn't scale to max output in reinforcement

The Gojo thing is kind of weird cause even he doesn't really know why he took less damage and he said it maybe why. Even then based on the panel he still did take a decent amount of damage. Hell half his face was burned up.

I mean it's still less damage than sukuna, it's really weird, hell infinity should have stopped him from getting hurt. Anyways Ryu has higher reinforcement than yuta according to sukuna so they shouldn't even scale.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Shocker, Yuta couldn't tank ryu's higher output attack, thats why he shouldn't scale in reinforcements I don't get why your trying to argue with me on something I've already said?

I Already said I never commented on MCB calculation you are talking about.

ryu himself said yuta chose not to kill them because of the 10th rule

He won and had choice of killing them. It forms mean he was stronger than them
I literally mentioned Ryu has enough SS to one shot Rika who is equal or tougher than Yuta.

Heck even Sukuna's statement puts Ryu above Yuta

Then why respond to my comment about that, do you see the issue? You replied to

I didn't responded to you. You are the one who assumed that I did from wherever you get the idea from
My initial comment was for the thread nothing related to anyone.

Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru’s year charge calc [Staff Votes Needed]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge. Context & Calculation In Chapter 81 Mechamaru pulls out a big robot mecha. It is shown to have an activity limit (How long it can run for) of quite some years and he can use attacks that take away years off the activity...

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With MAX output. Not anything else

This is supposed to be a seperate comment hence why i bring up MCB

Which I don't care nor I replied to that regarding anything. You just assumed something which I never did.

I'm specifically talking about reinforcements, I mentioned this and reinforcement and max output in my original comment as 2 seperate things

I said Yuta's love beam specifically so where did you assumed I was talking about reinforcements and MCB calculations?. Did I even once mentioned anything about GB calculation?

I specifically mentioned Uraume feat and GB max output nothing about MCB calculations you are talking about.

It doesn't say he has the exact same CE tho, just he was soaked in sukuna's CE which doesn't mean he has the same exact CE as him, doesn't help he generates his own CE too

He does has exact CE. Except he also has mixed energy of his own and others. Either way Gojo's statement is weird

 

[Electronic74947]

He didn't punched through. He used both of his hands and tanked it. Later we see his single hand when he tried same thing getting cooked.
Also when Ryu was serious he can deliver punches where even fully unleashed power of Rika can't tank it.
We don't know the casual output GB value which Yuta tanked so can we stop acting like it's above Uraumes feat.

"didn't comment" Dude you responded to my reasoning for scaling yuta to a weaker GB recalc.....

Heck even Sukuna's statement puts Ryu above Yuta

Already said that in another comment

I didn't responded to you. You are the one who assumed that I did from wherever you get the idea from
My initial comment was for the thread nothing related to anyone.

Jujutsu Kaisen: Mechamaru’s year charge calc [Staff Votes Needed]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge. Context & Calculation In Chapter 81 Mechamaru pulls out a big robot mecha. It is shown to have an activity limit (How long it can run for) of quite some years and he can use attacks that take away years off the activity...

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I responded to that saying max output love beam downscales, i brought up mcb as a seperate thing

Which I don't care nor I replied to that regarding anything. You just assumed something which I never did.

you started posting scans to not scale yuta to max output beam which i already said he shouldn't scale to

I said Yuta's love beam specifically so where did you assumed I was talking about reinforcements and MCB calculations?. Did I even once mentioned anything about GB calculation?

No, I DID. You started replying to it with scans of yuta being hurt by stronger granite blasts which is where the issue comes from

He does has exact CE. Except he also has mixed energy of his own and others. Either way Gojo's statement is weird

Gojo had ifninity too it's such a dumb scene.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It wasn't that he was holding himself back to not kill them, it's that he didn't kill them after they'd been defeated because he could just ask them for their points. Killing them would've been a waste due to the new rule as instead of getting their hundreds of points he would've just gotten 5 from each. Ryu also brings it up asking if it was the only reason he hadn't killed them and Yuta said it was possible.


I mean, I wouldn't really take that to say that his reinforcement is comparable to a granite blast when it's specifically saying such a high-power blast that's weaker than GB needs Rika to power it. I may just be misinterpreting what you're saying cause honestly I'm not even sure what you two are arguing about but yeah.

Yuta and Yuji (Shinjuku version) ~ Ryu physical ~ GB /
Uraume feat

But Yuta in CG shouldn't scale to Uraume feat except for his love beam. That's what I'm saying.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

"didn't comment" Dude you responded to my reasoning for scaling yuta to a weaker GB recalc.....



Already said that in another comment

Checked the comments didn't find anything about I'm arguing with your scaling chain. All I was arguing about Love Beam and How Yuta physically doesn't scale to Ryu. Also how same CE based less damage doesn't make sense.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yuta and Yuji (Shinjuku version) ~ Ryu physical ~ GB /
Uraume feat

But Yuta in CG shouldn't scale to Uraume feat except for his love beam. That's what I'm saying.

I love how the whole conversation has just moved away from the mechamaru calc which would just change what y'all are saying lol

Anyways yeah I think that's fair.

How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.

The OP brought that up since it would make Ryu's output higher than Uraume who has that one max output calc. They weren't comparing it to Muta just that Uraume's feat can scale to people and that helps support that level for what the Muta calc is suggesting

Checked the comments didn't find anything about I'm arguing with your scaling chain. All I was arguing about Love Beam and How Yuta physically doesn't scale to Ryu. Also how same CE based less damage doesn't make sense.

.... Y'all are arguing for the same damn thing..... bruh....

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I love how the whole conversation has just moved away from the mechamaru calc which would just change what y'all are saying lol

Anyways yeah I think that's fair.

.... Y'all are arguing for the same damn thing..... bruh....

I think we got side tracked somewhere

Where does Mechamaru 2 years Energy output scales to. Checked the chapter and Kenjaku was talking about 2 years output rather than 5 years one.

 

[Electronic74947]

Checked the comments didn't find anything about I'm arguing with your scaling chain. All I was arguing about Love Beam and How Yuta physically doesn't scale to Ryu. Also how same CE based less damage doesn't make sense.

Because you started posting reasoning in response to my comment where I said Yuta shouldn’t scale to max output and he only deflected a weaker granite blast should mean he should scale to a MCB lol. I think you responded weirdly which caused the confusion

 

[Electronic74947]

Where does Mechamaru 2 years Energy output scales to. Checked the chapter and Kenjaku was talking about 2 years output rather than 5 years one.

7.39 kilotons. Still town level

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I think we got side tracked somewhere

Where does Mechamaru 2 years Energy output scales to. Checked the chapter and Kenjaku was talking about 2 years output rather than 5 years one.

The calc has it as 7.39 kilotons and if we say that's special grade levels of output that would mean most of the special grades would scale to it I guess.

Though I think that is kind of weird since it implies 1 year charge is grade 1 level and that would mean they're low 7-c+

 

[Electronic74947]

The calc has it as 7.39 kilotons and if we say that's special grade levels of output that would mean most of the special grades would scale to it I guess.

Though I think that is kind of weird since it implies 1 year charge is grade 1 level and that would mean they're low 7-c

I think he was referring to both of them. We’re told that special grades can vary drastically in power too in the LN iirc. Finger bearer and jogo are leagues different in power but special grades and same applies for humans

 

[ElJoaki5]

How does this scale? Muta wasn't a player and this is clearly something that needs a ton of output. Nothing in the scan says Ryu's output is higher than Muta's.

Never said Ryu directly scales to Mechamaru. Ryu scales to Uraume's maximum output frost calm and it's consistency for the town level scaling.

Yeah, this is before Mechamaru uses the 5 year charge. All the prior moves were before the 5 year charge so the special grade output is below the 5 year charge meaning no one scales. This is consistent with Uraume's output (3.7 and 7.3 kilotons to her 2.95kt and she is only comparable to Hakari who is weaker than yuta and other special grades)

I can change that

 

[ElJoaki5]

Why are yall debating the scaling which is already used in the pages, this is not a crt that changes the scaling lines in any way so thats just derailing. If yall want to change the scaling lines that are already in use youd have to make another crt for that, the point of this crt isnt that.

 

[PowerToScale]

This calc gets Mechamaru Mode Absolute to Town level with five year charge.

Context & Calculation
In Chapter 81 Mechamaru pulls out a big robot mecha. It is shown to have an activity limit (How long it can run for) of quite some years and he can use attacks that take away years off the activity limit due to how much energy they use up.

In the calculation I find the KE of the robot walking and multiply that by the time to find out how much energy is used up in the year charge attacks.

Outside of the walking speed being too low, the sizing is also astronomically wrong. This would mean that Mechamaru is at least 3 times shorter than a regular human sides Mahito

 

[DarkRuler234]

Can we just reach an concensus here, the sooner we get this done the better for everyone.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can we just reach an concensus here, the sooner we get this done the better for everyone.

I'd like for the JJK stuff from the Staff thread to be applied please and that can't happened until this thread ends, so can we please do that?

 

[Raiden38]

For now I am inclined to disagree and will change to neutral if there are convincing arguments.

 

[Electronic74947]

For now I am inclined to disagree and will change to neutral if there are convincing arguments.

I don’t think there’s even been any rebuttals to it though? What’s your reasoning for disagreeing

 

[Raiden38]

I don’t think there’s even been any rebuttals to it though? What’s your reasoning for disagreeing

I disagree with the 5 year charge based on what Tony said and even looking at the calculation myself it makes me turn up my nose quite a bit for the 2 year charge too but I'm thinking about it analyzing the calculation and I'll try to give full confirmation of my opinion also looking at the next arguments

 

[ElJoaki5]

I disagree with the 5 year charge based on what Tony said and even looking at the calculation myself it makes me turn up my nose quite a bit for the 2 year charge too but I'm thinking about it analyzing the calculation and I'll try to give full confirmation of my opinion also looking at the next arguments

I changed the op to two years

 

[Raiden38]

I changed the op to two years

now I have seen and then I will try to give my opinion on this for now I am very undecided on this calculation however I will also wait for the other arguments I will form a more precise opinion at the moment I am rather neutral

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[Rogue_Forge]

looking back at it I think their might be some issues with the specific image used to scale Absolute mode Mechamarus height its clearly way smaller than it normally is

His profile already says 120 ft

And there's other images that show Mahito as being smaller than Mechamarus head such as the fact he can fit inside the cockpit

Also you forgot the 8 year charge end (not that anyone scales or anything)

 

[SunDaGamer]

looking back at it I think their might be some issues with the specific image used to scale Absolute mode Mechamarus height its clearly way smaller than it normally is

His profile already says 120 ft

And there's other images that show Mahito as being smaller than Mechamarus head such as the fact he can fit inside the cockpit

Also you forgot the 8 year charge end (not that anyone scales or anything)

The cockpit is within the mech's throat which is why there's blood coming out of Mechamaru's mouth when Mahito kills Kokichi

 

[Rogue_Forge]

The cockpit is within the mech's throat which is why there's blood coming out of Mechamaru's mouth when Mahito kills Kokichi

That would mean that the cockpit would be even smaller than the head

But we don't really know how big the cockpit is proportionally to the neck

 

[ElJoaki5]

The cockpit is within the mech's throat which is why there's blood coming out of Mechamaru's mouth when Mahito kills Kokichi

So does it work or should i change the robot height?

 

[Rogue_Forge]

So does it work or should i change the robot height?

definitely should change the height even though there aren't many good angles to directly compare the size of the mech, its definitely bigger than 10m

 

[PowerToScale]

I've posted earlier the issue about height, and have calced the height of mechamarus mech earlier last month. I've also done the math for KE as well,

Only difference is speed, as Mechanaru travels and moves WAY way faster than a regular human walking speed